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Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry (apparently new web site)
Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry ^ | on or before January 21, 2004 | U.S. Veteran Dispatch

Posted on 01/21/2004 12:54:48 PM PST by BillF

On the campaign trail, White House wannabe Sen. John Forbes Kerry regularly mentions his Vietnam War combat experience, during which he received three purple hearts, the Silver Star and Bronze Star. However, the Massachusetts Democrat doesn't like to talk much about how he received the awards or the time after he returned home when he was rubbing shoulders with Hanoi Jane Fonda as a much-celebrated organizer for one of America's most radical pro-communist groups. [emphasis added]

(Excerpt) Read more at usvetdsp.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2004; janefonda; johnkerry; kerry; vietnamveterans; vvajk; vvaw; website
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Web page has a lot of photos including Kerry being arrested at a protest and Kerry in front of North Vietnam (or VC) flag. Not sure if that is real or photoshopped.
1 posted on 01/21/2004 12:54:51 PM PST by BillF
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To: BillF
He was aligned with Jane Fonda,Ramsey Clark and took over the Vets against the war.He accused the military of horrible atrocities and the soldiers of being baby killers at a congressional hearing.I doubt the picture is photoshopped.
2 posted on 01/21/2004 12:59:14 PM PST by MEG33
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To: BillF
You mean John Kerry served in 'Nam?

I hadn't heard.

<|:)~

3 posted on 01/21/2004 12:59:31 PM PST by martin_fierro (Uneasy in my easy chair.)
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To: BillF
The media was proclaiming that it was his Viet Nam experience that made the voters in Iowa choose him.

This is a sickening evaluation but we can see that the media has annointed him.

Brokaw went after Clark yesterday.....which would never in a million years happen if they hadn't decided that Kerry's the one.

4 posted on 01/21/2004 1:02:11 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: BillF
I was in Vietnam the same time as Kerry. I remember all his antics after he got back to the states in which he disgraced his former uniform and lied about what his fellow servicemen did in Vietnam. This guy likes to feature his "combat record", but the real truth is in this new Web site. Glad to see that it is finally coming out.
5 posted on 01/21/2004 1:09:02 PM PST by hresources
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To: martin_fierro
Kerry served in Vietnam. He saw what that war did to American troops. Had Bush served, instead of going AWOL, American troops probably wouldn't be dying in Iraq right now. I find it interesting that all right wingers ignore the fact that Bush lied about WMDs as being the reason to go to war with Iraq! Clinton has an affair with an intern and all of you want to string him up from the highest pole, but Bush lies to the entire world community, attacks Iraq, sends thousands of American troops into battle, kills thousands of Iraqi civilians and nobody cares! Maybe of republics weren't so frigid, they'd get laid more often, thus releasing some of that sexual frustration that causes you to lie and kill for no reason!
6 posted on 01/21/2004 1:12:26 PM PST by ArmyDemocrat
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To: BillF
My guess is that is not a real picture--I think we'd have seen it before if it were.

Kerry's politics are typical leftist nonsense, but I certainly wouldn't want to criticize him over Vietnam. He was there, in combat, risking his life for our country. The former Green Beret who went to Iowa to thank him for saving his life in Vietnam seemed genuine to me.

7 posted on 01/21/2004 1:13:17 PM PST by Thorin
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To: ArmyDemocrat; Admin Moderator
ArmyDemocrat
Since Jan 21, 2004
8 posted on 01/21/2004 1:13:56 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: BillF
I've always wondered what would happen if Kerry became President and then found himself in the position of having to wage a war. Would he still protest it?
9 posted on 01/21/2004 1:15:11 PM PST by sirshackleton
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To: ArmyDemocrat
Here's one Vietnam veteran who will take Bush over Kerry anyday -- and I have lots of friends who feel the same.
10 posted on 01/21/2004 1:15:13 PM PST by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: ArmyDemocrat
Take your armchair Freudian analysis and pathetic political rants back to DU, Morford.
11 posted on 01/21/2004 1:15:26 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: BillF
"Kerry was a supporter of the "People's Peace Treaty," a supposed "people's" declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist East Germany.
It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditions for ending the war.
One of the provisions stated: "The Vietnamese pledge that as soon as the U.S. government publicly sets a date for total withdrawal [from Vietnam], they will enter discussion to secure the release of all American prisoners, including pilots captured while bombing North Vietnam."
In other words, Kerry and his VVAW advocated the communist line to withdraw all U.S. troops from Vietnam first and then negotiate with Hanoi over the release of prisoners. Had the nine points of the "People's Peace Treaty" favored by Kerry been accepted by American negotiators, the United States would have totally lost all leverage to get the communists to release any POWs captured during the war years."


This man is dangerous...and a liar. I think he is more of a foe than any of the others. Please go to the web site http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm and read for yourself what a threat this man is.
12 posted on 01/21/2004 1:17:35 PM PST by FlyLow (The leftists hate the home team, root for the visitors, and get indignant when you point it out!)
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To: All
Restored the comment, do your job, FReepers.
13 posted on 01/21/2004 1:19:13 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: ArmyDemocrat
Ah.

That explains why your photo is next to the dictionary definition of "bloviate."
14 posted on 01/21/2004 1:21:57 PM PST by martin_fierro (Uneasy in my easy chair.)
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To: ArmyDemocrat
May we ask how old you are? Were you around (and functioning) in the 1960's?
15 posted on 01/21/2004 1:24:35 PM PST by jigsaw (Freeper Fidelis)
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To: ArmyDemocrat
Kerry's anti-American activities are more significant than his service in Vietnam, which he obviously devalued by his subsequent actions, statements, and highly questionable leftist associations.Glad your nonsense was allowed to be posted. I hope it won't be removed as are all conservative comments on Dem Underground.
16 posted on 01/21/2004 1:24:56 PM PST by luvbach1
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To: BillF
I would not vote for Kerry over Bush but Three Purple Hearts is rather admirable.
17 posted on 01/21/2004 1:25:10 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: jigsaw
Ah shucks. ArmyDemocrat has been suspendered or bananared.
18 posted on 01/21/2004 1:26:38 PM PST by jigsaw (Freeper Fidelis)
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To: ArmyDemocrat
Kerry served in Vietnam. He saw what that war did to American troops. Had Bush served, instead of going AWOL, American troops probably wouldn't be dying in Iraq right now. I find it interesting that all right wingers ignore the fact that Bush lied about WMDs as being the reason to go to war with Iraq! Clinton has an affair with an intern and all of you want to string him up from the highest pole, but Bush lies to the entire world community, attacks Iraq, sends thousands of American troops into battle, kills thousands of Iraqi civilians and nobody cares! Maybe of republics weren't so frigid, they'd get laid more often, thus releasing some of that sexual frustration that causes you to lie and kill for no reason!

Those DNC Talking Points are a little shopworn- you need some new ones.

19 posted on 01/21/2004 1:28:32 PM PST by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)... the 00's? The Decade of Lunatics...)
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To: Thorin
I think it is safe to say that he used the suffering of others for political gain, just like he may be using the suffering of others for political gain now.
20 posted on 01/21/2004 1:28:48 PM PST by NotchJohnson
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To: Beelzebubba
Now that's what you call a newbie! 10 minutes maybe?
21 posted on 01/21/2004 1:29:31 PM PST by luvbach1
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To: ArmyDemocrat
Kerry served in Vietnam. He saw what that war did to American troops. Had Bush served, instead of going AWOL, American troops probably wouldn't be dying in Iraq right now. I find it interesting that all right wingers ignore the fact that Bush lied about WMDs as being the reason to go to war with Iraq! Clinton has an affair with an intern and all of you want to string him up from the highest pole, but Bush lies to the entire world community, attacks Iraq, sends thousands of American troops into battle, kills thousands of Iraqi civilians and nobody cares! Maybe of republics weren't so frigid, they'd get laid more often, thus releasing some of that sexual frustration that causes you to lie and kill for no reason!

A stupid and juvenile response from someone who apparently isn't embarassed to have his stupidity showing. Yawn. This doesn't even rate the kitties.

22 posted on 01/21/2004 1:29:57 PM PST by alwaysconservative (FReepers should serenade Dean with the National Anthem, only using the correct words!)
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To: BillF; All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1062220/posts
What You Don’t Know About John Kerry
Newsmax. ^ | Jan. 20, 2004 | Chuck Noe
23 posted on 01/21/2004 1:30:11 PM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: ArmyDemocrat
I see Viking Kitties in your future.
24 posted on 01/21/2004 1:30:44 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: BillF

Not the best candidate for Pres of the USA (since he doesnt care all that much for it anyway) at least not in the form it was founded to be...... imo

25 posted on 01/21/2004 1:30:55 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: ArmyDemocrat
Hey Army Democrat, may I suggest a cool drink to iron out your frustrations? A strawberry smoothie? A gin and tonic?
26 posted on 01/21/2004 1:31:24 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: BillF
I'm headed off to that site now.
27 posted on 01/21/2004 1:32:06 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: pete anderson
Yes. Bitch about Kerry regarding what he did after he got back and what his stands are on issues. The military treated him as if he served the country honorably. That's good enough for me.
28 posted on 01/21/2004 1:33:52 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("Howard Dean is incontrovertible proof that God is on Bush's side in the 2004 election"- Dick Morris)
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To: ArmyDemocrat
More "intelligent" commentary from the left.

Bye-bye.
29 posted on 01/21/2004 1:34:01 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: jigsaw
I guess it is a waste of time to allow Dimorats to post (i.e. armydemocrat)on FR. Debate is impossible with them. We have enough trouble debating with those we agree with!!
31 posted on 01/21/2004 1:35:23 PM PST by luvbach1
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To: pete anderson
I'd like him to talk about this subject. I'd be curious to hear his response.
Kerry, a highly decorated veteran who seemed to be a clone of former President John F. Kennedy, right down to the military service on a patrol boat made a 1970 bid for Congress in Massachusetts' Third District. Three-months later, when it became clear his opponent would get the Democratic Party nomination, Kerry dropped out.

Realizing that running for public office in Eastern Massachusetts as a decorated Vietnam veteran was not at that time politically correct, Kerry moved hard to the left...


32 posted on 01/21/2004 1:37:40 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("Howard Dean is incontrovertible proof that God is on Bush's side in the 2004 election"- Dick Morris)
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To: luvbach1
Wow there's some unbelievable stuff on the Vietnam Vets Against Kerry site.
33 posted on 01/21/2004 1:37:55 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: joesnuffy
God, I hate these rats...in the 70's he detested everything the military stood for, now he flaunts his service like we have all forgotten his past....he's a born-again vet.
34 posted on 01/21/2004 1:38:13 PM PST by mystery-ak (Almighty God, Embrace with Your invincible armour our loved ones in all branches of the service.)
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To: mystery-ak
Should his "anti-war" past be an issue? So long as he has not disavowed it (as even Hanoi Jane has to a degree), and points to his miltary record, I say is should be.
35 posted on 01/21/2004 1:40:36 PM PST by luvbach1
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To: BillF
Washington Times

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
December 6, 2002



John Kerry's war record As Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, considers a bid for the White House, Americans should know a few things about him that he might prefer go unmentioned - and I don't mean his $75 haircuts.

When Mr. Kerry pontificated at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial on Veterans Day, a group of veterans turned their backs on him and walked away. They remembered Mr. Kerry as the anti-war activist who testified before Congress during the war, accusing veterans of being war criminals. The dust jacket of Mr. Kerry's pro-Hanoi book, "The New Soldier," features a photograph of his ragged band of radicals mocking the U.S. Marine Corps Memorial, which depicts the flag-raising on Iwo Jima, with an upside-down American flag.

Retired Gen. George S. Patton III charged that Mr. Kerry's actions as an anti-war activist had "given aid and comfort to the enemy," as had the actions of Ramsey Clark and Jane Fonda. Also, Mr. Kerry lied when he threw what he claimed were his war medals over the White House fence; he later admitted they weren't his. Now they are displayed on his office wall. Long after he changed sides in congressional hearings, Mr. Kerry lobbied for renewed trade relations with Hanoi. At the same time, his cousin C. Stewart Forbes, chief executive for Colliers International, assisted in brokering a $905 million deal to develop a deep-sea port at Vung Tau, Vietnam - an odd coincidence.

As noted in the Inside Politics column of Nov. 14 (Nation), historian Douglas Brinkley is writing Mr. Kerry's biography. Hopefully, he'll include the senator's latest ignominious feat: preventing the Vietnam Human Rights Act (HR2833) from coming to a vote in the Senate, claiming human rights would deteriorate as a result. His actions sent a clear signal to Hanoi that Congress cares little about the human rights for which so many Americans fought and died.

The State Department ranked Vietnam among the 10 regimes worldwide least tolerant of religious freedom. Recently, 354 churches of the Montagnards, a Christian ethnic minority, were forcibly disbanded, and by mid-October, more than 50 Christian pastors and elders had been arrested in Dak Lak province alone. On Oct. 29, the secret police executed three Montagnards by lethal injection simply for protesting religious repression. The communists are conducting a pogrom against the Montagnards, forcing Christians to drink a mixture of goat's blood and alcohol and renounce Christianity. Thousands have been killed or imprisoned or have just "disappeared." The Montagnards lost one-half of their adult male population fighting for the United States, and without them, there might be thousands more American names on that somber black granite wall at the Vietnam memorial.

As Mr. Kerry contemplates a run for the presidency, people must remember that he has fought harder for Hanoi as an anti-war activist and a senator than he did against the Vietnamese communists while serving in the Navy in
Vietnam.

MICHAEL BENGE
Foreign Service officer and former Vietnam POW (1968 to 1973)
Washington


36 posted on 01/21/2004 1:45:54 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat cruz bustamante; did yours?)
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To: Thorin
I was in the same exact AO at the same time Kerry was ...and was in a Army platoon that used navy PBRs and Swift boats (during the rainy season) to ferry us into ambush patrol sites....we would patrol and set up night APs for three to four days...and then get extracted by boat during the rainy season and helo during the dry...

If Kerry got a Silver Star for merely hopping off the boat after his gunner prepped the area and killed and/or ran off the only VC and retrieved a launcher and a spare rocket...then something was VERY WRONG with the way the navy awarded medals to junior officers....in that unit - imo

Enlisted soldiers that recieved such high awards in our unit ...were often severely wounded or KIA as a result...regardless- actions that resulted in such high awards WERE ALWAYS directly against INTENSE enemy fire...

A couple of guys in my unit recieved silver stars and one a medal of honor...I can assure you the things they did to get such awards were way way beyond...the call of normal combat duty...
which in itself is harrowing...(even if you are just doing your job)....
Medals in Vietnam were given to those who deserved it- to those who didnt- and many guys who deserved medals didnt get them...
imo
37 posted on 01/21/2004 1:46:32 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: BillF
It is always disgusting to hear him brag about his service when he betrayed his country with the likes of the communists Hanoi Jane and Ramsey Clark.

Why does American even consider electing these subversives for President knowing they will command the armed services? Clinton was outed as a draft dodger before the election, and protested this country in the USSR while supposedly a student at Oxford.
38 posted on 01/21/2004 1:46:36 PM PST by ladyinred (W/04)
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To: luvbach1
Yes, it should be an issue, especially when he constantly reminds us of being an VN vet...what irks me the most is that most people have selective memories or just don't know...I was recently telling a friend about Kerry throwing *his* medals over the WH fence, she looked at me as if I was crazy and accused me of making this up.
39 posted on 01/21/2004 1:46:37 PM PST by mystery-ak (Almighty God, Embrace with Your invincible armour our loved ones in all branches of the service.)
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To: ArmyDemocrat
Are you really as ignorant as your rant suggests?

Where was your protest when Clinton unilaterally (with no UN Resolutions whatsoever) declared war on Serbia, with no coalition, when nobody can argue that Serbia was any threat whatsoever to the U.S. and no U.S. vital interests were at stake, and he bombed serbia - did not even use ground troops - and killed many, many civilians? I don't recall a peep from the left on that. But, it was convientent to take the heat off of Clinton's perjury. So, in other words, the left thinks it's o.k. to kill people to cover up lying under oath, but not to protect America. Interesting. Very ignorant, but interesting. And, I get laid plenty. Maybe, if you used your brain for something other than socialist propaganda you could understand things more clearly.
40 posted on 01/21/2004 1:48:11 PM PST by brownie (Apparently, The President wants to double the number of illegal immigrants in America)
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To: Amelia; Scenic Sounds
This has a familiar ring to a recent conversation, huh? Kerry can't have it both ways and I think his bragging of his military record may come back to haunt him.

Which time of his life stands out more in today's climate? I venture to guess many people won't be comfortable with a guy who ended up doing what he did. War hero, my........... Well, you get the picture.

41 posted on 01/21/2004 1:48:54 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: ArmyDemocrat
US army, or Rainbow Army?
42 posted on 01/21/2004 1:50:11 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firethebcs.com, www.weneedaplayoff.com, www.firemackbrown.com)
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To: pete anderson
Three Purple Hearts is rather admirable

I got worse wounds playing softball in the Army.

43 posted on 01/21/2004 1:50:47 PM PST by SeeRushToldU_So (Help me out on this Tex.)
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To: ArmyDemocrat
Maybe of republics weren't so frigid, they'd get laid more often, thus releasing some of that sexual frustration that causes you to lie and kill for no reason!

Yeah...we lie like Clinton and we kill like Ted Kennedy.

44 posted on 01/21/2004 1:51:07 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat cruz bustamante; did yours?)
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To: joesnuffy
Medals in Vietnam were given to those who deserved it- to those who didnt- and many guys who deserved medals didnt get them... imo

Your words could have come right from the lips of my Vietnam vet husband. He has told me this many times over the years.

45 posted on 01/21/2004 1:51:11 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: ArmyDemocrat; VRWCmember
Kerry served in Vietnam. He saw what that war did to American troops. Had Bush served, instead of going AWOL, American troops probably wouldn't be dying in Iraq right now.

I suppose that's why President Bush knows how to land a jet on a carrier.

Here kitty, kitty...

46 posted on 01/21/2004 1:52:01 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Happy Iraqi Independence Day!!!!)
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA
here is another one...active duty 1967-1974...beautiful sunny south vietnam aug 70-aug 71 101st abn div in phu bai.

yes, I was a REMF....AND DAMN PROUD OF IT TOO!!!!!!!!! Didn't buy any px ribbons to dress up my uniform when i came back either!!!
47 posted on 01/21/2004 1:52:26 PM PST by cajun-jack
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To: pete anderson
my brother in law got a PH in nam from jumping through a screen in the barracks and cutting his rear eschelon ass on a rusty can. Officers have a tendency to receive "I was there medals" that rank much higher than those received by the grunt in the field who is doing it so the lt can get a medal.
48 posted on 01/21/2004 1:52:27 PM PST by DeathfromBelow
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To: ArmyDemocrat
I give Kerry credit for serving in Viet Nam, and I give Bush credit for freeing millions of Iraqi people to live in freedom. Kerry made a public issue of venting after the Viet Nam War and now he must pay the piper for that. It wasn't very presidential. On the other hand, President Bush is a leader who has made contact with the hearts and minds of Americans and we want him to be POTUS. We trust him.

You cannot even survive a day at FR, while Republicans are staying the course. And please notice we are not wasting Bush's term in office defending immoral behaviour under the desk in the oval office. We are changing the world and making it safer. So long troll.
49 posted on 01/21/2004 1:52:42 PM PST by tioga (CPAC here I come!)
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To: BillF
Thanks Bill. This could get interesting. May have to fight the Nam War all over again - - - amongst ourselves.
50 posted on 01/21/2004 1:53:35 PM PST by leadpenny
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