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KERRY'S TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE, APRIL 22, 1971
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Posted on 01/21/2004 4:07:29 PM PST by Hon

VIETNAM WAR VETERAN JOHN KERRY'S TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE, APRIL 22, 1971

Editorial Notes by Dr. Ernest Bolt, University of Richmond

 

By April 1971, with at least seven legislative proposals relating to the Vietnam war under consideration, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee chaired by Senator William Fulbright (Democrat-Arkansas) began to hear testimony. On the third day of hearings, six members of the committee heard comments by John Kerry, a leader of the major veterans organization opposing continuation of the war. Kerry was the only representative of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) who testified on April 22, but others in VVAW were in the audience and at times supported his remarks with applause.

The committee began the hearing April 20 and continued to receive testimony for four days in April and for seven days throughout May, 1971. The full testimony heard by the committee, including that of Kerry, is in Legislative Proposals Relating to the War in Southeast Asia, Hearings before the Committee on Foreign Relations, United States Senate, Ninety-Second Congress, First Session (April-May 1971), Washington: Government Printing Office, 1971. Subject breaks in Kerry's testimony were provided by the Senate staff in the form of subtitles, which in some cases are retained below. Additional editorial notes are provided by Professor Bolt. Excerpts from Kerry's testimony are from pages 180, 181-183, 184, 185, 195, 204, and 208.

 

Statement of Mr. John Kerry

...I am not here as John Kerry. I am here as one member of the group of 1,000 which is a small representation of a very much larger group of veterans in this country, and were it possible for all of them to sit at this table they would be here and have the same kind of testimony....

WINTER SOLDIER INVESTIGATION

I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

We call this investigation the "Winter Soldier Investigation." The term "Winter Soldier" is a play on words of Thomas Paine in 1776 when he spoke of the Sunshine Patriot and summertime soldiers who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough.

We who have come here to Washington have come here because we f eel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country; we could be quiet; we could hold our silence; we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, the fact that the crimes threaten it, not reds, and not redcoats but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out.

FEELINGS OF MEN COMING BACK FROM VIETNAM

...In our opinion, and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam, nothing which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America. And to attempt to justify the loss of one American life in Vietnam, Cambodia, or Laos by linking such loss to the preservation of freedom, which those misfits supposedly abuse, is to us the height of criminal hypocrisy, and it is that kind of hypocrisy which we feel has torn this country apart....

WHAT WAS FOUND AND LEARNED IN VIETNAM

We found that not only was it a civil war, an effort by a people who had for years been seeking their liberation from any colonial influence whatsoever, but also we found that the Vietnamese whom we had enthusiastically molded after our own image were hard put to take up the fight against the threat we were supposedly saving them from.

We found most people didn't even know the difference between communism and democracy. They only wanted to work in rice paddies without helicopters strafing them and bombs with napalm burning their villages and tearing their country apart. They wanted everything to do with the war, particularly with this foreign presence of the United States of America, to leave them alone on peace, and they practiced the art of survival by siding with whichever military force was present at a particular time, be it Vietcong, North Vietnamese, or American.

We found also that all too often American men were dying in those rice paddies for want of support from their allies. We saw first hand how money from American taxes was used for a corrupt dictatorial regime. We saw that many people in this country had a one-sided idea of who was kept free by our flag, as blacks provided the highest percentage of casualties. We saw Vietnam ravaged equally by American bombs as well as by search and destroy missions, as well as by Vietcong terrorism, and yet we listened while this country tried to blame all of the havoc on the Viet Cong.

We rationalized destroying villages in order to save them. We saw America lose her sense of morality as she accepted very coolly a My Lai and refused to give up the image of American soldiers who hand out chocolate bars and chewing gum.

We learned the meaning of free fire zones, shooting anything that moves, and we watched while America placed a cheapness on the lives of orientals.

We watched the U.S. falsification of body counts, in fact the glorification of body counts. We listened while month after month we were told the back of the enemy was about to break. We fought using weapons against "oriental human beings," with quotation marks around that. We fought using weapons against those people which I do not believe this country would dream of using were we fighting in the European theater or let us say a non-third-world people theater, and so we watched while men charged up hills because a general said that hill has to be taken, and after losing one platoon or two platoons they marched away to leave the high for the reoccupation by the North Vietnamese because we watched pride allow the most unimportant of battles to be blown into extravaganzas, because we couldn't lose, and we couldn't retreat, and because it didn't matter how many American bodies were lost to prove that point. And so there were Hamburger Hills and Khe Sanhs and Hill 881's and Fire Base 6's and so many others.

VIETNAMIZATION

Now we are told that the men who fought there must watch quietly while American lives are lost so that we can exercise the incredible arrogance of Vietnamizing the Vietnamese....

Each day to facilitate the process by which the United States washes her hands of Vietnam someone has to give up his life so that the United States doen'st have to admit something that the entire world already knows, so that we can't say they we have made a mistake. Someone has to die so that President Nixon won't be, and these are his words, "the first President to lose a war."

We are asking Americans to think about that because how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake? But we are trying to do that, and we are doing it with thousands of rationalizations, and if you read carefully the President's last speech to the people of this country, you can see that he says and says clearly:

But the issue, gentlemen, the issue is communism, and the question is whether or not we will leave that country to the Communists or whether or not we will try to give it hope to be a free people.

But the point is they are not a free people now under us. They are not a free people, and we cannot fight communism all over the world, and I think we should have learned that lesson by now....

REQUEST FOR ACTION BY CONGRESS

We are asking here in Washington for some action, action from the Congress of the United States of America which as the power to raise and maintain armies, and which by the Constitution also has the power to declare war.

We have come here, not to the President, because we believe that this body can be responsive to the will of the people, and we believe that the will of the people says that we should be out of Vietnam now....

WHERE IS THE LEADERSHIP?

We are also here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently, where are the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership? We are here to ask where are McNamara, Rostow, Bundy, Gilpatric, and so many others. Where are they now that we, the men whom they sent off to war, have returned? These are commanders who have deserted their troops, and there is no more serious crime in the law of war. The Army says they never leave their wounded.

The Marines say they never leave even their dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a pious shield of public rectitude. They have left the real stuff of their reputations bleaching begin them in the sun in this country....

 

Editorial Note: Concluding his formal statement, Kerry commented about administration attempts to disown veterans and looked forward thirty years (to 2001) when the nation could look back proudly to a time when it turned from this war and the hate and fears driving us in Vietnam.

Following his formal testimony, the committee members questioned him during their discussion of some of the legislative proposals under consideration. In the course of this discussion, Kerry spoke with considerable familiarity and understanding about disengagement and withdrawal proposals being considered. In response to a question from Senator Aiken, Kerry endorsed "extensive reparations to the people of Indochina" as a "very definite obligation" of the U.S. (p. 191).
Kerry also commented on growth of American opposition to the war, the actions of Lt. Calley at My Lai, and strategic implications of the war.

 

...It is my opinion that the United States is still reacting in very much the 1945 mood and postwar cold-war period when we reacted to the forces which were at work in World War II and came out of it with this paranoia about the Russians and how the world was going to be divided up between the super powers, and the foreign policy of John Foster Dulles which was responsible for the created of the SEATO treaty, which was, in fact, a direct reaction to this so-called Communist monolith. And I think we are reacting under cold-war precepts which are no longer applicable.

I say that because so long as we have the kind of strike force we have, and I am not party to the secret statistics which you gentlemen have here, but as long as we have the ones which we of the public know we have, I think we have a strike force of such capability and I think we have a strike force simply in our Polaris submarines, in the 62 or some Polaris submarines, which are constantly roaming around under the sea. And I know as a Navy man that underwater detection is the hardest kind in the world, and they have not perfected it, that we have the ability to destroy the human race. Why do we have to, therefore, consider and keep considering threats?

At any time that an actual threat is posed to this country or to the security and freedom I will be one of the first people to pick up a gun and defend it, but right now we are reacting with paranoia t this question of peace and the people taking over the world. I think if were are ever going to get down to the question of dropping those bombs most of us in my generation simply don't want to be alive afterwards because of the kind of world that it would be with mutations and the genetic probabilities of freaks and everything else.

Therefore, I think it is ridiculous to assume we have to play this power game based on total warfare. I think there will be guerrilla wars and I think we must have a capability to fight those. And we may have to fight them somewhere based on legitimate threats, but we must learn, in this country, how to define those threats and that is what I would say to the question of world peace. I think it is bogus, totally artificial. There is no threat. The Communists are not about to take over our McDonald hamburger stands. [Laughter.]...

 

Editorial Note: Kerry's exchange with the senators consumed two complete hours, ranging from earlier French experiences in Indochina to the status of the war in 1971. Kerry faulted the electronic press for failure to report a recent antiwar conference because of its lack of "visual" appeal and entertainment value. He also cited the "exorbitant" power of the Executive, faulting Congress.

In response to Senator Symington's inquiry about American men and women still in Vietnam and their attitude toward opposition to the war within Congress, Kerry offered the following comments.

 

...I don't want to get into the game of saying I represent everybody over there, but let me try to say as straightforwardly as I can, we had an advertisement, ran full page, to show you what the troops read. It ran in Playboy and the response to it within two and a half weeks from Vietnam was 1,200 members. We received initially about 50 to 80 letters a day from troops arriving at our New York office. Some of these letters -- and I wanted to bring some down, I didn't know we were going to be testifying here and I can make them available to you -- are very, very moving, some of them written by hospital corpsmen on things, on casualty report sheets which say, you know, "Get us out of here." "You are the only hope he have got." "You have got to get us back; it is crazy." We received recently 80 members of the 101st Airborne signed up in one letter. Forty members from a helicopter assault squadron, crash and rescue mission signed up in another one.

I think they are expressing, some of these troops, solidarity with us, right now by wearing black arm bands and Vietnam Veterans Against the War buttons. They want to come out and I think they are looking at the people who want to try to get them out as a help.

However, I do recognize there are some men who are in the military for life. The job in the military is to fight wars. When they have a war to fight, they are just as happy in a sense, and I am sure that these men feel they are being stabbed in the back. But, at the same time, I think to most of them the realization of the emptiness, the hollowness, the absurdity of Vietnam has finally hit home, and I feel is they did come home the recrimination would certainly not come from the right, from the military. I don't think there would be that problem....

 

Editorial Note: Kerry returned to the theme of the mood of troops in Vietnam and back home as he concluded his testimony.

 

...You see the mind is changing over there and a search and destroy mission is a search and avoid mission, and troops don't -- you know, like that revolt that took place that was mentioned in the New York Times when they refused to go in after a piece of dead machinery, because it doesn't have any value. They are making their own judgments.

There is a GI movement in this country now as well as over there, and soon these people, these men, who are prescribing wars for these young men to fight are going to find out they are going to have to find some other men to fight them because we are going to change prescriptions. They are going to have to change doctors, because we are not going to fight for them. that is what they are going to realize. There is now a more militant attitude even within the military itself....

 

Editorial Note: Later as Democratic senator from Massachusetts, John Kerry joined 61 others in favor of a nonbinding resolution to lift the U.S. trade embargo against Vietnam. The original embargo began against the Democratic Republic of Vietnam in 1964 and extended to the united Socialist Republic of Vietnam in April 1975. Following the nonbinding senate resolution, President Clinton repealed the embargo 4 February 1994.

 

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KEYWORDS: 1971; 2004; foreignrelations; johnkerry; kerry; kerrytestimony; mojoinhiding; transcript; vvaw
Funny, Kerry seems so proud of his Vietnam service now.
1 posted on 01/21/2004 4:07:30 PM PST by Hon
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2 posted on 01/21/2004 4:11:40 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
interesting isnt it ? today kerry is proud of his service while clark hopes to keep some of his service in the shadows. i would love to see that one on one debate.
3 posted on 01/21/2004 4:12:40 PM PST by cripplecreek (.50 cal border fence)
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To: Hon
Well, Kerry was wrong about it being a "civil war" since the North and South barely share a common tongue, and all other cultural elements are very dissimilar.

On the other hand he and 999 other guys were absolutely right about the need for some warcrimes trials.

I'd probably find myself in some disagreement with Kerry regarding "who" ought to go on trial, but I doubt that back then in 1971 he would have stood in the way very long to drag Robert McNamara before the bar of justice.

It's truly unfortunate that these days Kerry is so much a part of the establishment (married to the ol'gal who owns ketchup for goodness sake!) that he'd probably say it's too late to hold such a trial.

All I can say to him is "Nixon's dead already" and "McNamara is still there, rich, fat, self-satisfied, time to bring him to justice".

Wonder what John would say to that?

4 posted on 01/21/2004 4:16:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Hon
Cross-linking:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1062437/posts
John Kerry- some selected, informative links...
various FR links | 01-21-04 | The Heavy Equipment Guy
5 posted on 01/21/2004 4:16:59 PM PST by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)... the 00's? The Decade of Lunatics...)
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To: Hon

                    A fatigue be-medalled Beatle begging a murderer  .........

                   or perhaps discussing how to send Catholic charity money to the IRA

                   or "Why  did you leave Mary Jo in the Car?"

6 posted on 01/21/2004 4:18:04 PM PST by bert (Have you offended a liberal today?)
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To: cripplecreek
"today kerry is proud of his service"

And yet only thirty years ago he was throwing (somebody else's) medal over the fence to Congress:

I guess he felt such guilt about all of the people he had raped and murdered.

7 posted on 01/21/2004 4:19:06 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
I think Kerry is a leftist twit, but he wasn't the only vet against the war, and I find it out that he is being criticized in connection with Vietnam--a place where he saw combat--when no one of prominence in the Bush White House (except Gen. Powell) came anywhere near the place.
8 posted on 01/21/2004 4:26:15 PM PST by Thorin
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To: BillF; leadpenny
FYI
9 posted on 01/21/2004 4:29:11 PM PST by MEG33
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To: Thorin
"I think Kerry is a leftist twit, but he wasn't the only vet against the war, and I find it out that he is being criticized in connection with Vietnam"

It seems to me that Kerry wants to have it both ways. He wants to say (and did say) that Vietnam was a terrible mistaken where US soldiers like himself raped and pillaged.

Then he wants to be praised and honored (and made President) for having gone to Vietnam and raped and pillaged.
10 posted on 01/21/2004 4:34:08 PM PST by Hon
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To: Thorin
"they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam"

But we should vote for him because he is a Vietnam Vet!
11 posted on 01/21/2004 4:36:47 PM PST by Hon
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Sen. Kerry, the "noble statesman" and "highly decorated Vietnam vet" of today, is a far cry from Kerry, the radical, hippie-like leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in the early 1970s. After Kerry, as a Navy Lieutenant (junior grade) commanding a Swift boat in Vietnam, was awarded the Silver he found it advantageous to quit the Navy, change the color of his politics and become a leader of VVAW. He went to work organizing opposition in America against the efforts of his former buddies still ducking communist bullets back in Vietnam. Kerry gained national attention in April 1971, when he testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, then chaired by Sen. J. William Fulbright (D-AR), who led opposition in the Congress against U.S. participation in the war. During the course of his testimony, Kerry stated that the United States had a definite obligation to make extensive economic reparations to the people of Vietnam.

Kerry's testimony, it should be noted, occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known by the world to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in North Vietnamese prisons. Kerry was a supporter of the "People's Peace Treaty," a supposed "people's" declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist East Germany. It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditions for ending the war.

One of the provisions stated: "The Vietnamese pledge that as soon as the U.S. government publicly sets a date for total withdrawal [from Vietnam], they will enter discussion to secure the release of all American prisoners, including pilots captured while bombing North Vietnam." In other words, Kerry and his VVAW advocated the communist line to withdraw all U.S. troops from Vietnam first and then negotiate with Hanoi over the release of prisoners. Had the nine points of the "People's Peace Treaty" favored by Kerry been accepted by American negotiators, the United States would have totally lost all leverage to get the communists to release any POWs captured during the war years.

Kerry was fundamental in organizing antiwar activists to demonstrate in Washington, including the splattering of red paint, representing blood, on the Capitol steps. Several hundred of Kerry's VVAW demonstrators and supporters were allowed by Fulbright to jam into a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in 1972 and to chant "Right on, brother!" as Sen. George McGovern (D-SD), then the only declared Democratic presidential candidate, accused U.S. troops of committing barbarisms in Vietnam.

Kerry became even more of a press celebrity during a highly publicized "anti-war" protest when he threw medals the press reported were his over a barricade and onto the steps of the Capitol. Kerry never mentioned that the medals he so gloriously tossed were not his own. The 1988 issue of Current Biography Yearbook explained: " . . . the ones he had discarded were not his own but had belonged to another veteran who asked him to make the gesture for him. When a 'Washington Post' reporter asked Kerry about the incident, he said: 'They're my medals. I'll do what I want with them. And there shouldn't be any expectations about them.'" Kerry's medals have reappeared, today hanging in his Senate office, now that it is "politically correct" for a U.S. Senator to be portrayed as a Vietnam War hero. Alas, so much for integrity.

Recently, Kerry became extremely defensive when David Warsh, an economics columnist for The Boston Globe, questioned the circumstances for which Kerry was awarded the Silver Star. Kerry, who was in a close re-election battle with Gov. William F. Weld, a Republican, quickly gathered his former crew from his Swift boat days to rebuff the "assault on his integrity."

According to the official citation accompanying the Silver Star for Kerry's actions on the waters of the Mekong Delta on February 28, 1969: "Kerry's craft received a B-40 rocket close aboard. Once again Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry ordered his units to charge the enemy positions. . . Patrol Craft Fast 94 then beached in the center of the enemy positions and an enemy soldier sprang up from his position not ten feet from Patrol Craft 94 and fled. Without hesitation Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry leaped ashore, pursued the man behind a hootch and killed him, capturing a B-40 rocket launcher with a round in the chamber." In an article printed in the October 21st and 28th 1996 edition of The New Yorker, Kerry was asked about the man he had killed.

"It was either going to be him or it was going to be us. It was that simple. I don't know why it wasn't us--I mean, to this day. He had a rocket pointed right at our boat. He stood up out of the hole, and none of us saw him until he was standing in front of us, aiming a rocket right at us, and, for whatever reason, he didn't pull the trigger--he turned and ran. He was shocked to see our boat right in front of him. If he'd pulled the trigger, we'd all be dead . . . I just won't talk about all of it. I don't and I can't. The things that probably really turn me I've never told anybody. Nobody would understand," Kerry said. In the column, Warsh quoted the Swift boat's former gunner, Tom Belodeau, as saying the Viet Cong soldier who Kerry chased "behind a hootch" and "finished off" actually had already been wounded by the gunner.

Warsh wrote that such a "coup de grace" would have been considered a war crime. Belodeau stood beside Kerry and said he'd been misquoted. He conceded that he had fired at and wounded the Viet Cong, but denied Kerry had simply executed the wounded Viet Cong. Dan Carr, a former Marine from Massachusetts, who served 14 months as a rifleman sloshing around in the humid jungles of I Corps, South Vietnam, questioned whether or not Kerry deserved a Silver Star for chasing and killing a lone, wounded, retreating Viet Cong. "Kerry is certainly showing some sensitivity there. Most people I knew in Vietnam were just trying to pull their time there and get the hell out. There were some, though, who actually used Vietnam to get their tickets punched. You know, to build their resumes for future endeavors," Carr said.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/story10.htm
12 posted on 01/21/2004 4:45:51 PM PST by Hon
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I'm more interested in hearing Mr. Kerry talk about what he's done since the Vietnam War.

What's his record on defense spending? Does he think America's foreign and military policy should be okayed by the UN? Does Kerry think the enemies of America who want to kill us should be flushed out and crushed by the most capable military in the world...or turned over to trial lawyers.

Thanks for your service, Kerry...but what do you want to do now?
13 posted on 01/21/2004 4:47:00 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Hon
Well John you're a democrat on purpose its not out of ignorance.. you know the democrat party is literally and demonstably socialist at the least and communist at the most.. yet you're still a democrat..

Who do think you're kidding...?... Even Zell Miller has been stained well past getting clean by reamining a democrat.. Mr. John Kerry you're a traitor of the highest order.. true, you're not alone.. Howard Deans brother(a traitor) gave his life for the same reasons, suggest you do the same..

14 posted on 01/21/2004 4:48:55 PM PST by hosepipe
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To: Thorin
Kerry . . . . is being criticized in connection with Vietnam--a place where he saw combat

Kerry is not being criticized for going to Vietnam or for his heroic service there.

Nor is the criticism for simply opposing the war.

Kerry said some things that were over the top. And Kerry teamed up with some people such as Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark who were anti-American.

Kerry's post-war conduct is still subject to criticism, notwithstanding his noble service. This is especially true when much of his post-war conduct was designed to trash the nobility of the military's efforts in Vietnam.

15 posted on 01/21/2004 5:00:14 PM PST by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: Hon
Kerry served in Vietnam?

He should mention that in his speeches or something.

16 posted on 01/21/2004 5:30:35 PM PST by William McKinley
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To: Hon
Maybe Kerry is trying to have it both ways, but the bottom line for me is that he was there, in combat, when he didn't have to be, when his education and connections would have allowed him to avoid military service altogether. At the very least, he has guts.

And the bottom line, politically, is that this will never become an issue, because the White House knows quite well that neither Bush nor Cheney were dodging bullets in Vietnam. In fact, when Cheney was asked about his multiple deferrments, he was nonchalant, saying he had "other priorities" at the time. Those are the sort of statements I find outrageous, not Kerry's statements about the war. I disagree with many of those statements, but I think he earned the right to make them.

17 posted on 01/21/2004 5:46:00 PM PST by Thorin
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To: Hon
" But we should vote for him because he is a Vietnam Vet!"

If as the Dems allege, a war wounded veteran is the best choice for POTUS-then why wasn't it President Bob Dole in 96 ? It's amazing isn't it,how the entire Vietnam war was fought by one person and one person,only-John Kohn ( the actual family name ).
18 posted on 01/21/2004 5:49:48 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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Setting aside for the moment, the general issue of Vietnam, the objective, and conduct of the war and focusing only on the very narrow issue that affects Senator Kerry, admission of personally committing war crimes, I view his conduct as disqualifying for public office.

I do not advocate that we should go back and prosecute any soldier for engaging in these acts; but I see this as bad conduct; poor judgment under pressure; and the kind of decision making process that would fail the country if exercised by the President. The individual who makes his decisions like this should not be a candidate.

As to Vietnam, the real American objective was to stop the expansion of Moscow Communism; the objective was achieved. Vietnam was the end of the expansion of Communism.

Did we do a good, or effective, or defensible job of conducting the war effort? No. Should have been accomplished in a year and over. But the war was run by Democrats trying to satisfy political and political correctness objectives; having no military management skills; having little in the way of foreign policy expertise. Dem's and liberals have historically done a bad job of conducting foreign policy and making war. We get it done under Democratic administrations but it is no accident that all of our wars of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries have been caused by Democratic governments administering foreign policy.

In the present case, the war with the Mohammadian terrorists results from Clinton's failure to address the early terrorist attacks and develop foreign policy and military responses to respond to the enemy before they became an organized force. Really exactly like the Liberal response to Hitler in Chechoslovakia and Poland.

19 posted on 01/21/2004 5:53:58 PM PST by David
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To: BillF
In his testimony Kerry says that most of the troops were war criminals. That's a lie that libels the Americans who served there. He later admitted that he had not witnessed a single war crime.
20 posted on 01/21/2004 5:56:02 PM PST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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To: Hon
What You Don't Know about John Kerry
21 posted on 01/21/2004 6:13:20 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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What I can't understand is why this isn't all over the media!
22 posted on 01/21/2004 6:14:32 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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This isn't all over the media because the Democrats aren't interested in it and neither are the Republicans, because if this becomes an issue, people will have to write about what Bush and Cheney were doing during Vietnam. Hint: Bush and Cheney were not dodging VC bullets on riverine patrol boats in the Mekong Delta.
23 posted on 01/21/2004 6:28:16 PM PST by Thorin
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To: Salvation
I know this is shallow, but I can't look at this man without wondering if he's wearing a toupe. It's all I can think of when I see him. I've never seen a picture of him with his hairline showing, not once. Never seen his hair blowing in the breeze, never seen him brush his hands through his hair.

There was a story not too long ago about where he goes to get his hair cut and how much it costs and I thought at the time what a perfect way to end any question about him wearing a toupe.

Has anyone here seen him close up? I really really really want to know if his hair is real (I doubt it).
24 posted on 01/21/2004 10:03:31 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Why not go out on a limb, isn't that where the fruit is?)
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To: Auntie Mame
I've heard that it's really his hair and that he is very particular about it.

But I am not an expert on this......LOL!
25 posted on 01/21/2004 10:20:34 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Link to VVAW web site. This is an article about kerry.

http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=82
26 posted on 01/22/2004 5:27:55 AM PST by CELTICGAEL (Celt) (God Bless our troops!)
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To: hosepipe
Bump
27 posted on 01/22/2004 5:40:52 AM PST by auboy (Put a smile on your face. Make some time each morning to count your blessings.)
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To: Hon
we feel because of what threatens this country, the fact that the crimes threaten it, not reds, and not redcoats but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out.

He did not then, and apparently does not not now, understand or acknowledge the forces which threaten the freedom, culture and philosophy of the United States. He is CERTAINLY not someone who should be in the oval office. He really should not be serving in our Senate either!

28 posted on 01/22/2004 6:08:28 AM PST by twigs
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To: OldEagle
Testimony here.
29 posted on 01/29/2004 3:32:44 AM PST by MEG33 (America will never seek a permission slip to provide for the security of our country)
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To: Hon

bttt


30 posted on 09/18/2004 10:38:51 AM PDT by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo for President/Jeff Flake VP 2004!)
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To: Hon

Old thread bump!


31 posted on 10/29/2004 10:28:14 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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