Posted on 01/23/2004 4:37:58 PM PST by Beck_isright
All taken under advisement. Thank you.
The illegals aren't in gangs just because their illegal, it's largely because they are poor in a foreign country.
Bush's amnesty won't make 'em any less inclined to band together in gangs. They wil still be poor, still be angry, still believe in the MeCHA mantra of taking back the Southwest by sheer force of numbers.
***An ex-Republican base voter***
THe proposal calls for deportation regardless. If they are guest workers gang membership, or associated criminal activity gets their card revoked and they're deported.
The situation will be the same under the new plan as it is now. Be the workers here illegally or under a guest worker program, having a baby born in the U.S. trumps all else.
Current and future policy does and will not deport the parents of a 14th Amendment citizen. Any criminal activity will be handled in the same fashion as for a legal resident. Incarceration or probation if the perp is found guilty.
No deportation, the baby needs it's parents. Bush's amnesty plans will simply ensure that more workers are in the U.S. for a sufficient time necessary to, as Boortz says, download a baby. That's their ticket to stay.
***Reluctantly, an ex-Republican base voter***
(We should thank God we're dealing with predominantly Judeo-Christians here, and not Muslims as in Europe, so that at least our basic morals and values have a common conrnerstone, and that these might ultimately be incorporated into our long term reigning in of this problem.)
To which I replied:
That statement combines a naivete that is staggering. In many ways the Christian Mexican peasant, is probably as far different culturally from our traditional society as is the Algerian Muslim in Paris--in some perhaps further, because the Algerian is predominantly Caucasian, whereas the Mexican mestizo is probably over half descended from the Aztecs or one of their conquered peoples. (And I do not want to sound cruel in pointing it out, but the Aztec leadership were basically slaughtered by the Spanish. These are their peasant class.)
The characteristics of a people are determined by their inherited traits--again admittedly reinforced by the society created by others with those traits. While religious affiliation can influence how people apply those traits, certainly, it is not a determinant of those traits. And the endless tales of corruption in local, State and Federal Governments in Mexico, surely provide some clue as to how significant is the Christian influence on the Mexican mestizo class. They are not steeped in the Christian ethic of George Washington, that "honesty is always the best policy."
Again, I wish the Mexican people well. I do not covet anything that is Mexican. The War in 1846 was over largely empty territory, and I believe that the rights and inheritance of the Mexican landowners, who were there, have been respected. If not, they should be compensated, but I believe they were and are respected; and that there is still consderable property held by families, which are now very much part of the America States, in which their families have dwelt for many generations.
Many of those families did indeed have values congenial to that of the "Anglo" settlers in the East. But that is not what is involved in this invasion by a lower class of persons, whose values are surely reflected in part in the corruption that almost every serious commentary on Mexico has acknowledged.
It is certainly not the only factor in the dumbing down of American politics and American public debate in recent decades. But with the closure of the frontier, there have been many changes in the patterns of immigration to America. And almost any analysis will substantiate a connection between ethnic patterns and voting patterns. That was true even in the days when we were drawing people with cultures much more similar to those of the early Americans than we are now. To the extent this third world peasant immigration continues, the political road of the thoughtful exponent of traditional Constitutional values will get progressively harder. It isn't easy now, but it is insane for any Conservative to bury his or her head in the sand and pretend it does not matter who lives in America, so long as we can get some work out of them.
William Flax
From where I sit its you and Bush who are gambling away the future of my country.
And I can give you very specific reasons why.
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