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"on this thread, that is what is being given the light of day."

Yes, ridding the country of all the criminal activity caused by a high percentage of the members of that group is and should be a high priority.

"No matter how hard working many illegals may be they are criminals the moment they crossed our borders illegally. "

There are orders of magnitude difference in the level of technical criminality, between hard working folks that are essentially escaping for a better life and outright criminals. That difference is the essential feature the proposal focuses on. The focus is not on the one side, the criminal group.

" the enormous costs brought by illegals.:

The enormous costs were created primarily by rats that use them as a power base. The rats want to make them all citizens. The proposal addresses the matter.

"The average American has sacrificed a great deal for the rest of the world..."

Sure it has.

"...the income level is dropping due to illegals.

The income level is not dropping, because of illegals. They generally occupy sectors of the economy that don't exist w/o them.

"Americans are losing their jobs to non-Americans, even illegals.

This proposal has little to do with that. The proposal's main thrust is to rid the nation of the criminal element and wrench another bolt out of the rat machine. As far as Americans losing their jobs to non-Americans goes, Americans seem to be buying the foreign stuff and the economy isn't going down the tubes. Government intervention to protect American workers isn't called for here. Especially when the competition for labor is not here, but elsewhere, such as Red China.

"then there is the bilingual nonsense"

Yes, it is nonsense.

The costs of allowing illegals within our borders has been documented and it is enormous.
There is nothing in Bush's proposal that insures that after 3 years these guest workers will leave. Just as the government is not doing enough now to protect the borders, it will not do enough in 3 years.
And, just by Bush proposing this nationally, the Border Patrol agents have suddenly been dealing with 3 times the normal number of illegals pouring over the border.
Try living anywhere in the Southwestern U.S. and you will see how much bilingualism costs us. From voter pamphlets (oh yes, don't forget the voter fraud), to bilingual teachers, bilingual police, bilingual medical personnel, etc. And more, Americans are refused jobs because they are not bilingual. When an entire crew is spanish-speaking, they won't hire anyone else.
You do not have the facts on how wages at the low-end have been reduced by illegals working in canneries, hotels, janitorial services, car washes, fast food restaurants, etc.
Bush's proposal involves more than just illegals. His proposal states any foreigner from any country. This is a way around the 65,000 limit on H1bs. It means the labor pool is the whole world and 3rd world foreigners are willing to work for much less. Even as high-tech jobs are being lost to foreigners now, Bush proposing accelerating this. The accountants and paralegals are said to be next. The only sectors that have gained jobs are the low-end.
Bush's proposal will continue to gut the middle-class while continuing to hurt the low-wage earner.
Only a CEO would benefit. The word must get out that this is an attack on the average American.
My family's lived in Southern California for over 120 years. I've witnessed the destruction first-hand now for decades. I know Americans who could not get medical attention, but could have had they been illegals. Their doctors actually told them that to remove all uncertainty.

There is a very supportive network among the Hispanic community that helps every illegal from even before they cross the border. From housing, to medical, to jobs, to clothing, to welfare, to food stamps. They have all they need thanks to the American citizen, who is now suffering unduly and has already sacrificed (as you agree) for the 3rd world quite enough.

I strongly recommend Victor Davis Hanson's book "Mexifornia". Remember, as California goes, so goes the nation.
He stated on a national television program that he doesn't really care what color America becomes. But, he does care about our culture. And that we are headed toward Balkanization. In the early days, the number of illegals who crossed the border were comparatively few and could assimilate. Not anymore. We must reverse this, not accelerate it. BTW, our economy is not doing so well. We have a gigantic trade deficit with Communist China and a gigantic Budget deficit. Since Bush ~ 3 million jobs have been lost (mostly middle-class) and the shift of jobs has been from good wages to low wages. Coming to a neighborhood near you soon.