Posted on 01/24/2004 7:39:16 AM PST by King Prout
I'm in the middle of an argument with some friends who, though intelligent and well educated, have an unfortunate tendency to equivocate and play moral relativism games.
I have stated that Islam is inherently incompatable with secular government, especially a constitutional republic such as ours.
I have stated that the Koran, Hadith, and Sharia contain within them a great many explicit and inarguable commandments to ill-treat members of other creeds, women, and apostates from Islam.
I have stated that Islam is by its very nature a blueprint and commandment for the creation (by force and subversion) of Islamic theocratic governments, said blueprint having the stamp of Mohammedian authority and the explicitly stated blessing of Allah.
Having read the Koran - once, some time ago- I am nearly certain I am correct. What few scraps of the Hadith and Sharia I have read have done nothing but reinforce my belief in Islam's incurable incompatability with western traditions of government, civil rights, and statehood.
I am, however, not able to prove this to my opponents in debate - I am not by any means a Korannic (or Biblical) scholar, and I lack textual citations of Koran, Hadith, and Sharia. This lack has so far allowed them to dodgefully equate Christianity with Islam, to dodge the problems embedded in Islam as regards the possibility of social harmony and secular government, and deny that Islam calls all members of the Ummah to invade, subvert, and eventually overthrow all non-Islam-based governments in order to impose Sharia and theocracy.
I request your assistance.
I need the following:
1. an html/web-based english translation of the Koran and Hadiths. If that is not available, a Word document translation will serve, if not as well.
2. a list of Korannic and Hadith citations relating to the topics under discussion
3. a list of weblinks/URLs to any Sharia sources (of repute: like the Egyptian sharia authorities, for example, or that of the Saudis)
4. Anything else you believe would be of assistance.
These people, and all others like them who ostrich-like hide in the sands of relativism from unpleasant facts about Islam, need a massive info-dump boot-to-the-head. The West needs to wake the hell up, and I am trying to do my part in making that happen.
I need your help.
Mistranslations and out of context statements aside, it's clear that Islam is no religion of peace, unless that peace is one of subjegation of society by rich males. Even outside of society, there can be no true peace, only cease fires. Interesting stuff, but pretty obviously the contrived writings of a man who cares for power and control.
Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191) "Ye are the best of peoples evolved for mankind." (Koran 3:110)
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
"Not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (Koran 5:51)
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)
"If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them [infidels]" (Koran 8:65).
Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)
"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)
Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14).
"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)
"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).
"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)
"Murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123)
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"strike off the heads of the disbelievers" (Koran 47:4)
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
"You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' " (Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)
The Prophet killed the men of the Jewish tribe Bani Quraiza (some 600 to 800 of them) and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims All the other Jews of Medina were exiled. (Bukhari 5:59:362)
The Prophet had the date-palms of the Jewish tribe of Bani-Al- Nadir burnt and cut down. "It was with Allah's permission" (Koran 59:5)
The Prophet said to Sa'd, :The Bani Quraiza have agreed to accept your verdict" Sa'd said, "Kill all their men and take their women and children as slaves" The Prophet replied, "You have judged according to God's Judgment" (Bukhari 5:59:447)
"The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:29)
These are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them." (Sura 9:30)
"Unbelievers are those who say: 'God is one of three.' There is but one God. If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished." (Surah 5:73
As muslims do with the Koran.
Do you know this for a fact, or do you believe this based on "moderate islamic" apologia, or do you simply hope this is true?
I applaud you. I tried it once and just couldn't do it.
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