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Couple demands halt to neighbor's smoking
Akron Beacon Journal ^ | 1/23/04 | Phil Trexler

Posted on 01/24/2004 9:17:05 AM PST by mylife

Couple demands halt to neighbor's smoking Restraining order sought over nuisance to health By Phil Trexler Beacon Journal staff writer

Robert Zangrando has had it up to his chest, nose and eyes with his neighbor's smoking and he's taking her to court to get her to quit.

Zangrando, a retired University of Akron history professor who lives in Stow, was in Summit County court Thursday with his wife and lawyer.

Together they are seeking a restraining order against his next-door neighbor, Nicole Kuder, 28, that would prohibit her from smoking outdoors within 30 feet of her condominium.

Zangrando, 71, and his wife, UA instructor Lisa A. Pace, contend the smoking affects their health and has become a nuisance.

Before the hearing, Kuder said, ``I have tried to accommodate them, and this is the result.''

The couple's attorney, Ed Gilbert, called the situation an emergency and wanted Common Pleas Judge Marvin Shapiro to rule immediately on the restraining order request. Shapiro declined because Kuder came to court without an attorney.

Akron attorney Tom Adgate was retained by Kuder just before the hearing and was unable to attend. Shapiro delayed ruling until the hearing resumes Tuesday with Kuder and her attorney.

Kuder and Zangrando have been neighbors in a condominium complex on Higby Drive for about two years. Their two-story units are separated only by a shared wall. They share a front porch, and a wooden fence separates their back doors.

Zangrando said his neighbor's cigarette smoking is apparent whenever he opens a window or steps outside his home. He said the fumes compromise his health, causing him to wheeze and cough.

He said he suffers from lung problems, including emphysema, and has had asthma in the past. He said the smoking is such that he is reluctant to let his dog or two cats outside.

``It hits you right away, the minute you walk out the door. It catches me, I start coughing, I know she's smoking, I can see she's smoking visually, and I can get the effects of the smoke when I inhale what should be fresh air in my own back patio,'' Zangrando told the judge.

Kuder rents the condo she and her family live in and is not permitted to smoke inside the unit. Zangrando and Pace have owned their unit since marrying in 1996.

``It's a constant reality. She's out there smoking, and I have been appealing to her since she first moved: Please, if you're going smoke, would you move away from the house because the fumes come in our house, and we no longer have discretionary use of our house,'' Zangrando told the judge.

He said he has tried for more than a year to convince Kuder to smoke elsewhere, to no avail. He said he tried to reach an agreement in October, but Kuder and her husband, who does not smoke, refused to sign.

Kuder said Zangrando wanted her to walk to a nearby parking lot to smoke. She said he snoops on her, photographs her movements and has yelled at her to ``go, kill my family'' with her cigarettes.

``I tried to be nice and go out back and compromise, but they constantly harass us,'' Kuder said outside court. ``There have been times when I've had friends over, and he comes out screaming at us. It bothers me, but at the same time, I try to be a respectful smoker.''


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: andscorpions; antismoking; eatmysmoke; gnatzi; pc; pufflist; smokingbans; stinkyrudeneighbor; wodlist; worldisanashry
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To: mylife

"Country-western songwriter and entertainer Sollie "Tex" Williams, a heavy smoker best known for his tune, "Smoke, Smoke, Smoke That Cigarette," died after a year-long battle with cancer, his daughter said. . . . her father, who was diagnosed a year ago as having cancer, smoked two packs of cigarettes a day, dropping to about a pack a day before he died. "He tried to quit, but he couldn't," she said."


161 posted on 01/24/2004 10:38:19 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: r9etb
"Smoking is STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!!"

So is going out on the highway when it comes to risks,
but thats ok because it is considered nessecary.

Its risky and pollutes the air. But thats ok cuz nonsmokers said so.

Life is risky...lets pass a law against it
162 posted on 01/24/2004 10:38:36 AM PST by mylife
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To: mylife; *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; ...
Oh! This is real cute!

Together they are seeking a restraining order against his next-door neighbor, Nicole Kuder, 28, that would prohibit her from smoking outdoors within 30 feet of her condominium.

``It's a constant reality. She's out there smoking, and I have been appealing to her since she first moved: Please, if you're going smoke, would you move away from the house because the fumes come in our house, and we no longer have discretionary use of our house,'' Zangrando told the judge.

How's that song go?  "Ahhhhhh if "I" ruled the world?"

163 posted on 01/24/2004 10:40:30 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: r9etb
Yes, it is. Smokers seem to have this insane need to assert that it is their right to bother other people with their fumes. And in this particular case, the smoker seems to think that her right to smoke is more important that the (apparently real) harm it causes the neighbor.

The lady is smoking outside of the condo. If this fellow and his wife are that sensitive, they'd be walking around with respirators on 100% of the time.

Sorry, I just can't work up any sympathy for a group of folks who insists on doing stupid things to their own bodies, and in so doing makes things unpleasant for the rest of us, too.

If the fact that the lady is smoking outside doesn't please these folks, nothing will please them until she stands on the center line of the adjoining highway to smoke.

If you run an air quality test in these complaienrs' condo before, during and after this lady's smoking outside, you would find there is no difference. This is PC piling on, plain and simple.

It does not surprise me that the bitcher used to work in academia.

164 posted on 01/24/2004 10:40:36 AM PST by Ghengis
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To: r9etb
You still here, sugah?

I thought surely that a sanctimonious Leftist like you would have seen the error of it's ways and be off to sell it's smog puffing vehicle(s).

Michael miserable failureMoore

165 posted on 01/24/2004 10:40:37 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population - have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: r9etb
Yeah, right. I smoke a pack a day, but don't get a cat in the same house with me. I don't need to see it, the reaction is enough. This guy has two cats and a dog. I assume the animals have no efect?
166 posted on 01/24/2004 10:40:54 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (This tagline manufactured in the U.S.A. and is certified prion-free.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
How does he know it is not the fumes from Akron, OH?!?!

That's RIGHT! The TIRE Plants!!!! P-U!!!

167 posted on 01/24/2004 10:41:21 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Dog Gone
"Dogs and cats"

She needs to file a countersuit about the offense of the smell of dog poop lingering on the air for 4 hrs after the poop pick up. Also cat poop is loaded with shedded virus, CMV at the top of the list.
168 posted on 01/24/2004 10:42:27 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (black dogs are my life)
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To: mylife
Zangrado Should prbably go inside and turn on the hepa filter and ionizer, rather than expect the world to conform to his "condition"

Exactly! He's a weezel!

169 posted on 01/24/2004 10:42:29 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: LisaMalia
I'd countersue with every last fiber in my being.

I'd get a particulate counter out on that porch, maybe hire a third-party to take the measurements, then I'd sue this bastard for libel, harassment, and anything else I could think of.

I might also try for a court order to have him keep the windows closed in January, due to his frail health. And a restraining order to have him stop yelling and taking photos. But's that's just a throwaway.

170 posted on 01/24/2004 10:42:41 AM PST by angkor
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To: Terry Mross
Satellite orbit analyst.

LOL! Since you're obviously checking up on me, I guess I ought to tell you more. I'm not really a rabid anti-smoker, and I actually oppose most of the smoke-free ordnances that have been going into effect. OTOH, I merely tolerate cigarette smoke in restaurants, and have to admit that I much prefer not to smell cigarettes when I'm trying to eat.

I know from personal experience the adverse health effects of working in a smoking building, and the tremendous improvement in my personal health when my workplace went smoke-free. (I have asthma, and the smoke really did cause me difficulties.)

Further, I think everybody knows that smoking is just plain bad for you -- and everybody on these threads would no doubt rightly scorn those people who sue the tobacco companies because they "didn't know" smoking was bad for them.

The reason I like to check in on these "smoking" threads is that it gives smokers a chance to say really dumb things, and to get all worked up over having it pointed out that they're doing something that imposes costs on others, as well as themselves. And, I must admit, I rather enjoy being called names by such people -- it makes me feel "ferior," or something.

171 posted on 01/24/2004 10:43:00 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Salgak
Who are YOU to tell a free citizen that they cannot partake of a legally permissable activity ???

Ahem. Who are YOU to tell a free citizen that they must bear the costs imposed on them by somebody else?

172 posted on 01/24/2004 10:44:03 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Maybe the neighbor should ditch the cigaretts and start smoking marijuana instead?

Expect shortly the WOD_List ping and subsequent banishment of this thread to the Smokey Backroom. Sweet irony . . .

173 posted on 01/24/2004 10:44:30 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: r9etb
But it sure is fun watching you folks foam at the mouth defending something smelly and stupid.

Just ONE woman's opinion. This is how "YOU" feel.......quite a few do not feel the way you do!

174 posted on 01/24/2004 10:44:31 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Tall_Texan
I like technical solutions to these kinds of issues.

How about a selective sensitivity smoke/particle detector tied to a siren. She can smoke, and when too much reaches my spaces, the waring siren kicks in. Her smoke annoys me, my siren annoys her. Such products are available off the shelf.

I did similar things with automated sprinklers to discourage my neighbors from letting thier dogs use my yard as a latrine.
175 posted on 01/24/2004 10:45:01 AM PST by Starwolf
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To: JoJo Gunn; r9etb
Since he referred to smokers as "addicts", I'm still waiting for a response when I asked if he ever partakes in caffeine beverages.
176 posted on 01/24/2004 10:45:45 AM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: CaptRon
This guy has emphysema (I wonder how he developed it), lives in an urban area with automobile exhaust, factory emissions, etc, but it is only this neighbors cigarette smoke that affects him?

This dude can move just five miles from Stow and be in the middle of nowhere, where the air is pristine.

177 posted on 01/24/2004 10:46:25 AM PST by Petronski (I'm *NOT* always *CRANKY.*)
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To: SheLion
Just ONE woman's opinion. This is how "YOU" feel.......quite a few do not feel the way you do!

LOL! If you're really offended ... perhaps you might consider my comments as the verbal equivalent of smoking.

178 posted on 01/24/2004 10:46:44 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Dudoight
You cannot physically be alergic to cigarette smoke. An allergic reaction requires an antigen. Antigens are primarily proteins. Cigarette smoke may contain a lot of things but proteins are not one of them.

It may stink but how can the stink of 1 cigarette outweigh the stink of the city of Acron itself.

He may have emphysema ,probably due to his own smoking over the years but it is not going to be affected by the smoke from 1 cigarette at a time in the outdoors.
179 posted on 01/24/2004 10:46:45 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (black dogs are my life)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
"This is why people buy real houses with big yards. The guy has a solution - move."

Major Bump!

180 posted on 01/24/2004 10:47:27 AM PST by blackbart.223
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