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Female GIs reporting rapes by U.S. soldiers
Denver Post ^ | 1/24/2004 | MILES MOFFEIT AND AMY HERDY

Posted on 01/25/2004 9:11:26 AM PST by JohnGalt

Female GIs reporting rapes by U.S. soldiers Women say response lacking within military, some even threatened MILES MOFFEIT AND AMY HERDY Denver Post Posted on Sat, Jan. 24, 2004

Female troops serving in Iraq are reporting an insidious enemy in their own camps: fellow American soldiers who sexually assault them.

At least 37 female service members have sought sexual-trauma counseling and other assistance from civilian rape-crisis organizations after returning from war duty in Iraq, Kuwait and other overseas stations, women's assistance and advocacy organizations say.

"We have significant concerns about the military's response to sexual assault in the combat zone," said Christine Hansen, executive director of the Connecticut-based Miles Foundation, which says it has assisted 31 women.

The women, ranging from enlisted soldiers to officers, have reported poor medical treatment, lack of counseling and incomplete criminal investigations by military officials. Some say they were threatened with punishment after reporting assaults.

The Pentagon did not respond to repeated requests for information about the number of sexual assault reports during the conflict. Defense officials would say only that they will not tolerate sexual assault in their ranks.

"Commanders at every level have a duty to take appropriate steps to prevent it, protect victims, and hold those who commit them accountable," a written statement from the Pentagon said.

Members of Congress said they are alarmed by the assault reports, confirming that they have learned of incidents as well. Colorado Sen. Wayne Allard said he intends to raise the issue with the Senate Armed Services Committee. Two Pennsylvania members of Congress, Rep. Joseph Pitts and Sen. Arlen Specter, intervened last month on one rape victim's behalf to bring her home.

Senate leaders pledged last year to investigate the military's handling of rape and domestic-violence cases after media reports of problems including flawed investigations, inadequate victim services and unusual leniency for soldier sex offenders. Congressional hearings were recommended, but none has been scheduled.


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1 posted on 01/25/2004 9:11:27 AM PST by JohnGalt
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To: JohnGalt
Sexual trauma counseling?

I have two daughters in the military, and stories they tell me about the amount of sexual activity in the military is mind boggling. Also the amount of pregnancy. My point being, how many of these gals are claiming "rape" because they are coming home to husbands/boyfriends pregnant? This is not to say rape is not happening, however I'm somewhat skeptical that it is as prevalent as this article makes it appear.

3 posted on 01/25/2004 9:16:47 AM PST by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: JohnGalt
Military: Young, physically fit, aggressive men with a few young, physically fit, aggressive women sprinkled in.

Is it any surprise, with soldiers dieing all the time, and knowing that any day could be their last, that they want sex, and will take it if possible?
4 posted on 01/25/2004 9:17:11 AM PST by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: adg122
Another glorious example of the Clinton Legacy.
5 posted on 01/25/2004 9:18:16 AM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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To: JohnGalt
The women, ranging from enlisted soldiers to officers...

I find it hard to believe that an officer's charges of rape would be ignored.

6 posted on 01/25/2004 9:19:49 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: JohnGalt
Who cares? Don't men get raped too?
7 posted on 01/25/2004 9:20:32 AM PST by independentmind
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To: JohnGalt
NOTHING excuses rape. Just as NOTHING excuses women on the battlefied. Get them off it!
8 posted on 01/25/2004 9:21:23 AM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug
Seconded.
9 posted on 01/25/2004 9:22:22 AM PST by JohnGalt ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is us.")
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To: JohnGalt
Give the perps a fair trial and fast hanging. Do not mix men and women in combat. Do not put women in combat unless all the men are dead or cowards.
10 posted on 01/25/2004 9:22:53 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
What is a suprise to me is that these women aren't saying no with a side arm.

Even if you're going to die in a few seconds, it doesn't mean you can act like an animal.

That is what we call "lack of character", and excusing abhorent behaviour is exactly what Clinton and his thugs do. It's 'just' about sex, huh?
11 posted on 01/25/2004 9:23:46 AM PST by LaraCroft (If the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, do the stupid get stupider?)
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To: JohnGalt
If true, this is the inevitable result of a military that's a slave to politcally-correct concerns.

If not true and these women just want a convenient excuse as to why they're coming home pregnant, this is also the inevitable result of a military that's a slave to politcally-correct concerns.

Solution? Go back to the pre-fembot-influenced military.

12 posted on 01/25/2004 9:23:54 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: onedoug
Off the battlefield or off the battlefield and out of the military?

I ask because it's kind of hard to define today's "the battlefield.
13 posted on 01/25/2004 9:24:43 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: onedoug
This sounds like a bunch of baloney to me. How do you "rape" a women armed with an M-16 and live?????? If these women can't defend themselves from their own troops how can they defend ME?????
14 posted on 01/25/2004 9:25:11 AM PST by LetsRok
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To: adg122
oh no we will be seeing more of this now

15 posted on 01/25/2004 9:25:40 AM PST by al baby (Hope I don't get into trouble for this)
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To: leadpenny
"battlefield"
16 posted on 01/25/2004 9:25:45 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: stylin_geek
My point being, how many of these gals are claiming "rape" because they are coming home to husbands/boyfriends pregnant?

Fair amount of that went on when I was in the USN in the '90s. Also, some women cried rape when caught in flagrante delicto with people they shouldn't have been delicto-ing with (fraternization), or in places where delicto-ing wasn't supposed to be going on.

I don't want to come across as defending actual rapists though.

17 posted on 01/25/2004 9:26:00 AM PST by squidly (Money is inconvenient for them: give them victuals and an arse-clout, it is enough.)
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To: adg122; Admin Moderator
I suspect I'm about to add another troll scalp to my totem.
18 posted on 01/25/2004 9:26:09 AM PST by IGOTMINE (All we are saying... is give guns a chance!)
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To: mike1sg
I know you can't comment on this, just thought you'd like to see this.
19 posted on 01/25/2004 9:26:40 AM PST by mystery-ak (Almighty God, Embrace with Your invincible armour our loved ones in all branches of the service.)
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To: VaBthang4
You've nailed it. Social engineering at it's ugliest.
20 posted on 01/25/2004 9:27:01 AM PST by truthandjustice1
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
Is it any surprise, with soldiers dieing all the time, and knowing that any day could be their last, that they want sex, and will take it if possible?

Yes, it would come as a tremendous surprise to me. Being in combat does not entitle one to rape, and rapists (even those in uniform) should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

21 posted on 01/25/2004 9:28:04 AM PST by Johnny_Cipher (Miserable failure = http://www.michaelmoore.com/ sounds good to me!)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
**Is it any surprise, with soldiers dieing all the time, and knowing that any day could be their last, that they want sex, and will take it if possible? **

*IF* it did happen. It still wouldn't be right to force sex on a woman. Men with honor don't do this..even in a combat zone.

That said, a friend of ours is a JAG and yes indeed, there is a small percentage of the military population who would commit rape even in non-combat zones.

22 posted on 01/25/2004 9:29:45 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: JohnGalt
This is not good. Very sad.
23 posted on 01/25/2004 9:30:26 AM PST by BlackJack (Apres Moi Le Deluge)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
Isn't that the same logic that Islam uses to force women to cover up? You know, that men can not control themselves?
24 posted on 01/25/2004 9:31:31 AM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107)
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To: adg122
Just wait until we are forced to use the draft. Young women will now be drafted too. Woman in the militray, orhter then as nurses, etc, is a very bad idea. Thanks Bill.
25 posted on 01/25/2004 9:31:52 AM PST by jpsb (")
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To: squidly
A long time ago I read about a soldier who was acquitted of rape because the court agreed that nobody ever dragged a woman into an upper bunk to rape her. Makes sense if you think about it.
26 posted on 01/25/2004 9:33:13 AM PST by Restorer
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Check out the accusations. If there are problems, fix them. Next thread.
27 posted on 01/25/2004 9:34:04 AM PST by Consort
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To: jpsb
Just wait until we are forced to use the draft. Young women will now be drafted too. Woman in the militray, orhter then as nurses, etc, is a very bad idea. Thanks Bill.

You are so right. Once women are put in combat zones, even if it's by their own choice, there is little rationale to exclude women from the draft. So if one goes, we all go.

It's not fair to give women the option of being in combat when we all know that if the US were ever in a major war, men would not be given that option.

28 posted on 01/25/2004 9:35:52 AM PST by independentmind
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To: JohnGalt
The horrors of females in the military.

Always a bad idea.

29 posted on 01/25/2004 9:36:30 AM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: al baby
What's that wierd little animal on her shoulder?
30 posted on 01/25/2004 9:36:41 AM PST by montomike (montomike)
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To: wirestripper
You know the men could try controlling themselves. Or do you agree with Islam that men can not control themselves so women should be kept covered-up?
31 posted on 01/25/2004 9:37:59 AM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107)
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To: DMCA
If the combat military was 100% male, how many rapes do you think there would be? Rape is not just about power, its also about sex. An integrated combat military means many more rapes than an all-male combat military. That fact alone shows that the whole "rape is about power" philosophy is retarted.
33 posted on 01/25/2004 9:38:32 AM PST by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: Restorer
A long time ago I read about a soldier who was acquitted of rape because the court agreed that nobody ever dragged a woman into an upper bunk to rape her. Makes sense if you think about it.

Yeah, well that is an old story. Because NOW the definition of rape has been expanded to include withdrawl of permission AT ANY POINT during intercourse. She can say yes, strip, get in bed, etc etc and if she says STOP at ANY point, and the male doesn't, voila, its RAPE.
34 posted on 01/25/2004 9:40:10 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: DMCA
What a line of reasoning!

Assertion #1:
We don't want to put our women in places where the chances of rape increase dramatically.

Assertion #2:
The Taliban protects its women from rape through oppression of women rather than teaching its young men the virtues of self-control.

Conclusion:
Anyone who has concerns about putting women in harm's way must have the same motivation as the Taliban. In fact, maybe they are the Taliban!

35 posted on 01/25/2004 9:42:06 AM PST by independentmind
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To: JohnGalt
3rded.
36 posted on 01/25/2004 9:42:57 AM PST by KantianBurke (2+2 does NOT equal 5)
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To: DMCA
You know the men could try controlling themselves. Or do you agree with Islam that men can not control themselves so women should be kept covered-up?

Yeah men should control themselves, but only idiots refuse to recognise that human nature is such that under extreme stress like combat some won't.This just one of many reasons women do not belong on the battlefield. Why do you think for the last 4,000 years of Western civilization armies have consisted of men pretty much exclusively?
37 posted on 01/25/2004 9:43:23 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: DMCA
You know the men could try controlling themselves

A total fallacy!

Young men are genetically driven sex machines.

The reason they are such good fighters in battle is that those raging hormones are re-directed by training and self discipline.

That same self discipline has limits and when emotionally needy women are added to the equation, the answer is usually predetermined.

In other words, the result is certain.

Take away the factor and the answer is different.

Just plain ole common sense.

38 posted on 01/25/2004 9:43:54 AM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: independentmind
Nail on the head. If we were go to a draft, women should be drafted in numbers and MOSs proportional to the numbers and billets currently held. If we, as a country, are not willing to do that, women shouldn't be in the military in the first place.
39 posted on 01/25/2004 9:44:33 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: LetsRok
That's right!! These women are just going thru counseling for nothing..surely they all made up stories about being raped...Our GI's would never do that...</Sarcasm>

How dare anyone doubt a woman when she is raped...it could have been date rape when she was unarmed...

Yes, they should be out of the combat zone, but they also should not be raped...

And I am a male...
40 posted on 01/25/2004 9:44:54 AM PST by Ecliptic (Keep looking to the sky)
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To: wirestripper
That is the same logic that the Muslims use.
41 posted on 01/25/2004 9:45:07 AM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107)
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To: JohnGalt
NOTHING justifies rape. Not "social engineering" . . . not the "fear of imminent death" . . . not the "she was probably asking for it" mentality. NOTHING.

Some of the responses on this thread are truly sickening!!!
42 posted on 01/25/2004 9:45:29 AM PST by Ganymede
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To: independentmind
Your analytical skills are awe inspiring...
43 posted on 01/25/2004 9:46:18 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: independentmind
The rapes we are talking about, if they happened, where done by fellow soliders. Since that is the topic at hand my statement stands.
44 posted on 01/25/2004 9:46:55 AM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107)
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To: DMCA
Ok, Fine!

They are right about this subject.

The difference is that I do not denigrate a woman to a second or third class status as a result of sex.

I only suggest that they not be in combat or anywhere near it except for the USO.

45 posted on 01/25/2004 9:48:23 AM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: Kozak
That is the same logic that the people we are fighting use in regards to rape. We are better that that and saying that the only solution is to remove the women is just making excuses.

As a side note, I think that having women in a combat zone is a STUPID thing to do. But making excuses for the men is wrong also.
46 posted on 01/25/2004 9:48:44 AM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107)
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To: JohnGalt
Six years ago the Marine Corps extended boot camp for one week in order to teach ethics to the new recruits. My son was in the first unit to have the extra week. The military is doing what it can but it can't change 18 years of irresponsibility by parents. This doesn't excuse a rapist's behavior but we can't blame the military either.
47 posted on 01/25/2004 9:54:19 AM PST by armymarinedad (Patriots love their way of life. Liberals love their lifestyle.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
Military: Young, physically fit, aggressive men with a few young, physically fit, aggressive women sprinkled in.

Is it any surprise, with soldiers dying all the time, and knowing that any day could be their last, that they want sex, and will take it if possible?

You hit the nail on the head...not to mention the ratio....and the games people play...giving in to 1 or 2 or 3 but not numbers 4,5, 6

And...the rumor of coming home raped to 100% disability rating by the military or VA

Women do NOT belong in combat or in a combat zone other than nurses in a surg hospital...closely guarded by MPs and razor wire...(the nurses were guarded like this at 3rd Surg in Dong Tam back in '69)

48 posted on 01/25/2004 9:55:00 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: DMCA
btt
49 posted on 01/25/2004 9:56:06 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: DMCA
Whether they were done by fellow soldiers or opponents on a a battlefield makes little difference. The military culture, by necessity, encourages certain aggressive traits in men, and creates an environment that is often hostile to women.

If you want to try to redesign nature, try with something less vitally important to our national defense.

50 posted on 01/25/2004 9:56:43 AM PST by independentmind
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