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U.S. to help fund immigrant care [Hospitals who treat illegal immigrants will get $1B]
Miami Herald ^ | Tue, Jan. 27, 2004 | DAVID OVALLE

Posted on 01/27/2004 8:02:43 PM PST by yonif

A little-publicized provision in the Medicare bill passed late last year will make about $1 billion available to hospitals, such as Jackson Memorial Hospital, that provide emergency care to undocumented immigrants.

The money would chip away at the growing amount of so-called ''charity care'' that many hospitals say poses a serious financial burden. In 2001, the last year for which figures were available, Jackson Memorial spent $37 million to treat about 6,600 uninsured and undocumented patients.

Nationally, some estimates by healthcare analysts place the total amount hospitals pay to treat undocumented people who cannot pay their medical bills at about $2 billion. Florida ranks behind California, Texas and Arizona in the amount its hospitals spend on care for undocumented patients.

Much of the new federal money, which will be allocated over four years, will be given directly to hospitals in states that have the highest numbers of undocumented migrants. The Department of Health and Human Services, which administers Medicare and Medicaid, must still hammer out a formula to decide how much to give to individual hospitals that qualify for the money.

Officials said they could not provide an estimate of how much money Florida hospitals would receive.

Federal officials said they hope to have an application ready by September for funds that will become available starting next year.

A TENSE ISSUE

The issue of providing healthcare to illegal immigrants has become an intensifying source of controversy as the cost of healthcare has continued to soar. The General Accounting Office is expected later this year to release a report that will examine the issue of hospitals paying to treat undocumented immigrants.

''We're very interested in any program that is going to help us offset losses. We will certainly be looking at aggressively pursuing the money,'' said Conchita Ruíz-Topinka, a spokeswoman for Jackson. ``We're not going to step away from the commitment to the community.''

A study released last year by the Florida Hospital Association found that in 2002, hospitals in the state spent at least $40.2 million to treat 705 uninsured foreign nationals.

GUARANTEE OF CARE

By law, hospitals cannot turn away patients who show up in their emergency rooms or ask them about their immigration status.

At Jackson, one of the busiest public hospitals in the country, hospital administrators ask patients only to prove that they live in Miami-Dade County.

Jackson's charity care is funded mostly by taxpayer dollars and fees collected from publicly or privately insured patients.

Other Florida hospitals have racked up considerable bills -- and headlines -- for their medical treatment of undocumented migrants.

Earlier this year, Martin Memorial Medical Center in Stuart was criticized for returning an uninsured, undocumented patient to his native Guatemala after he racked up $2 million in care over more than three years.

Hospital spokeswoman Lisa McCluskey said that the hospital would analyze the Medicare bill's provision for reimbursement. ''It's too early to say if we're going to apply,'' she said.

CARRYING THE BURDEN

U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, a Republican from Palm Beach County who pushed for the GAO study, said that compensating Florida is the right thing to do because the government has not done enough to prevent illegal immigrants from entering the state.

''It's a good first step. The burden that falls on these local hospitals has been extraordinary,'' Foley said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; healthcare; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; immigrants
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1 posted on 01/27/2004 8:02:46 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
Rearranging the chairs on the Titanic - $1 Billion doesn't buy what it used to.
2 posted on 01/27/2004 8:06:04 PM PST by Pubbie (We would have the WMDs if Powell and Rice hadn't made a 6 month UN detour)
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To: yonif
.."A little-publicized provision in the Medicare bill passed late last year will make about $1 billion available to hospitals, such as Jackson Memorial Hospital, that provide emergency care to undocumented immigrants."

.. what else is there to say? Speaks for itself.

3 posted on 01/27/2004 8:07:28 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: yonif
U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, a Republican from Palm Beach County who pushed for the GAO study, said that compensating Florida is the right thing to do because the government has not done enough to prevent illegal immigrants from entering the state

Problem is WE are the goverments purse... they are taking our money to pay for the illegals we don't want here. Our goverment has long ago ceased being by the people, for the people.

4 posted on 01/27/2004 8:07:33 PM PST by SouthernFreebird ( Go Panthers !)
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To: yonif
At Jackson, one of the busiest public hospitals in the country, hospital administrators ask patients only to prove that they live in Miami-Dade County.

You can be an illegal resident of the country, just as long as you are a "legal" resident of Miami-Dade County. Unbelievable!

I've got my own amnesty proposal. Offer anyone in this country illegally a free bus ticket home, and a chance to reapply for a legitimate work visa in six months. Anyone who doesn't leave the country voluntarily will be deported, and forever lose any chance of coming here legally. At the same time, seal the borders. If we have to build an electric fence from California to Florida, then build it.

5 posted on 01/27/2004 8:09:06 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: JustPiper
"Pings" JP....ducks and runs ^-^
6 posted on 01/27/2004 8:09:51 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: yonif
Lets just stop paying taxes.

They cant throw us all in jail.
7 posted on 01/27/2004 8:18:02 PM PST by Stopislamnow (VIOLENCE!!!! A stone age solution to space age problems. It works!)
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To: Stopislamnow
lol
8 posted on 01/27/2004 8:21:01 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Stopislamnow
Lets just stop paying taxes. They cant throw us all in jail.

My sentiments exactly - enough is enough!

9 posted on 01/27/2004 8:23:03 PM PST by hillary's_fat_a**
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To: hillary's_fat_a**
The stupid govt is unwilling to prosecute illegal aliens, why would they get off thier duffs to prosecute tax protestors?

Oh wait...duh.

Gubmint can KMA!!!!!
10 posted on 01/27/2004 8:26:28 PM PST by Stopislamnow (VIOLENCE!!!! A stone age solution to space age problems. It works!)
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To: yonif
The money would chip away at the growing amount of so-called ''charity care'' that many hospitals say poses a serious financial burden.

Not since Clinton referred to taxes as 'contributions' have I seen a more weasly excuse for public spending. In the first place, it wasn't charity, and in the second place, Americans were paying the financial burden of illegal immigration health care by higher charges in the emergency room. The only difference is now the emergency room charges will go down a bit or stay the same, while taxes for increased federal spending will go up.

Either way, Americans will be shafted the same amount, because the same amount has to be paid.

11 posted on 01/27/2004 8:27:30 PM PST by JoeSchem (Instead of nation-building Iraq, Dubya might try nation-running America!)
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To: Stopislamnow
Lets just stop paying taxes.

Well now, hold on there mister, (or miss) that would be breaking the law.

Oh wait, our government rewards breaking the law.

No taxes and free health care for all Americans!!!!!

12 posted on 01/27/2004 8:27:33 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (One person CAN change the world, but most of the time, you probably shouldn't)
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To: yonif
OK, so we're giving hospitals $1B for illegal alien care. Why don't we give drug dealers $1B to create more efficient distribution systesm? After all, illegal activities need all the help they can get, right?
13 posted on 01/27/2004 8:28:41 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
if enough of us refuse to pay taxes, I bet we could lobby for amnesty!

woot!

We can do it!
14 posted on 01/27/2004 8:29:52 PM PST by Stopislamnow (VIOLENCE!!!! A stone age solution to space age problems. It works!)
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To: Stopislamnow
after all it would be much to difficult to round up and jail 8-10 million tax protestors right?
15 posted on 01/27/2004 8:30:40 PM PST by Stopislamnow (VIOLENCE!!!! A stone age solution to space age problems. It works!)
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To: yonif
Divide that ranch out near Crawford, TX into 1-acre parcels. Each time an illegal skips a big hospital bill, the hospital gets 1 acre.

Any leader who wants to give our country away should learn that charity begins at home.

16 posted on 01/27/2004 8:30:50 PM PST by dagnabbit (Tell Bush what to do with his Amnesty and Mexico-Merger. Vote Tancredo in Primary)
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To: Calpernia
lol!
17 posted on 01/27/2004 8:32:05 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: dagnabbit
Forget giving the hospital the unmanageable acre (too far away to do a FL hospital any good), just let an illegal alien "family" pitch their tent there.

Acre? What am I talking about, each family would be happy with a hundreth of an acre! Let George feed 'em from his own trough.

18 posted on 01/27/2004 8:36:01 PM PST by hunter112 ("Mr. Kerry, there's a 'Mr. Satan' here to see you? Something about picking up a soul?")
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To: dagnabbit
Good idea.
I believe that most of the money will go to the border states hospitals, where most of the illegals go for treatment. Like some say, the Mexicans come over from Mexico and go to the hospitals, get treated then head back to Mexico.
19 posted on 01/27/2004 8:36:30 PM PST by calawah98
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To: gubamyster
Ping.
20 posted on 01/27/2004 8:38:06 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Tancredo for President 2004 / Russell Pearce for Congress 2004)
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To: yonif
That's a drop in the bucket of course. Perhaps if the American taxpayers in other states can get a taste of what the Western states face daily, they'll wake up and oppose the illegal invasion. They're such a drain on our states in the West, our taxes keep going up and up to subsidize the cheap labor that benefits a FEW. I'm sick and tired of it.
21 posted on 01/27/2004 8:39:20 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004!)
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To: yonif
re: By law, hospitals cannot turn away patients who show up in their emergency rooms or ask them about their immigration status. )))

Hospitals can shut down their emergency rooms, however, to everyone.

22 posted on 01/27/2004 8:41:43 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: dagnabbit
Divide that ranch out near Crawford, TX into 1-acre parcels. Each time an illegal skips a big hospital bill, the hospital gets 1 acre.

You do realize that in AZ alone it would take about one morning shift to devastate W's ranch! LOL I like your plan! He wants em, let him pay for them.
23 posted on 01/27/2004 8:41:45 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Shouldn't we send the bill to Mexico?
24 posted on 01/27/2004 8:42:16 PM PST by Taylor42
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To: Taylor42
Shouldn't we send the bill to Mexico?

That would be a waste of time. Perhaps the bill should go to the GAO tho. That's a thought.
25 posted on 01/27/2004 8:44:30 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004!)
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To: yonif; Calpernia; JustPiper
"U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, a Republican from Palm Beach County who pushed for the GAO study, said that compensating Florida is the right thing to do because the government has not done enough to prevent illegal immigrants from entering the state."

Uh, oh, I seeeeee.... Because the stupid lawmakers we elect -- who are all highly paid with great pensions and no medical care worries -- make big boo-boos and don't enforce the stupid laws they make, we little taxpayers have to pay for illegals health needs even if we don't even have any damn darn heathcare plans of our own! Unbelievable...

You know, as soon as lawmakers get a clue as to who it is who pays for all thi shi_, then we will all be better off. The government doesn't have money growing on trees! WE little people are the government -- the government is not an inanimate object. Us hardworking peons are! It is we who sacrifice for illegals and yet who is it who pays our way??? No one.

Do illegal aliens get notices from the collection agencies when they can't immediately pay their hospital, doctor, tests, and medicine bills? Well, normal taxpaying, legal citizens with no heathcare plans often do.

26 posted on 01/27/2004 8:45:18 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Yeah but then they'd use more tax payer money to pay the bill :(
27 posted on 01/27/2004 8:45:21 PM PST by cyborg
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To: All
USA

At least six of the highjackers in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist
attacks broke immigration laws and potentially could have been stopped
from entering the country, according to a preliminary report by a
special commission investigating them. During two days of hearings that
ended Tuesday, the bipartisan panel also said the Federal Aviation
Administration downplayed the threat of suicide hijackers before the
attacks, considering aircraft bombings a more immediate danger. The
commission requested a two-month extension for its final report, saying
it won't be ready by the May 27 deadline.
28 posted on 01/27/2004 8:48:21 PM PST by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Stopislamnow
after all it would be much to difficult to round up and jail 8-10 million tax protestors right? LOL.

And may I add, it's not that you're breaking the law, but why. As in, "well they want a job, they have it rough in Mexico, blah blah blah."

As long as you have a reason to break the law, all's cool.

29 posted on 01/27/2004 8:51:59 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (One person CAN change the world, but most of the time, you probably shouldn't)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
the government is not an inanimate object

Exactly. All articles about "government" spending should read "the taxpayer's money", instead of "government".

30 posted on 01/27/2004 8:54:27 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (One person CAN change the world, but most of the time, you probably shouldn't)
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To: SouthernFreebird
I agree with you. I posted something somewhat simliar after your post. I should have read all the responses -- especially yours -- before I posted. I was so mad, though, I just immediately responded!
31 posted on 01/27/2004 9:11:05 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Lijahsbubbe
free health care for all Americans!!!!!

the billions of $$$$ being spent on the border patrol, a billion a week for airport security, the ongoing billions to provide healthcare and infrastructure in Irag and Afganistan, would give every man, woman and child, in the US free health care. Never mind going to Mars. Totals must be in the trillions by now.

32 posted on 01/27/2004 9:19:14 PM PST by biffalobull
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To: yonif
taxpayers money
33 posted on 01/27/2004 9:23:22 PM PST by fatso
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Anyone who doesn't leave the country voluntarily will be deported,

Deported!!!!!!! How dare you suggest the dreaded D word in reference to our guests. Although that would be following the law, it might hurt their feelings and make some highly sensitive Americans wring their hands and cry. >sarcasm<

34 posted on 01/27/2004 9:25:27 PM PST by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. -Michelangelo)
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To: Zipporah
little-publicized provision in the Medicare bill passed late last year will make about $1 billion available to hospitals, such as Jackson Memorial Hospital, that provide emergency care to undocumented immigrants

Nice Republican compassion, however they are going to be about 20 billion short.

Time to raise taxes on the lazy American's.

35 posted on 01/27/2004 9:27:46 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: dougherty
I agree, suggesting these illegal aliens be deported is so extreme. I think we need more compassionate Republican's.
36 posted on 01/27/2004 9:29:26 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: yonif
Just a minor note on newspeak: "undocumented" appears 9 times, while "illegal" only appears twice. The author's email is dovalle@herald.com
37 posted on 01/27/2004 9:30:42 PM PST by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
We are pretty lazy aren't we? I mean, we only work until what, May, or something like that to support everyone and everything else but ourselves and our families!

Scandalously lazy!
38 posted on 01/27/2004 9:37:47 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (One person CAN change the world, but most of the time, you probably shouldn't)
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To: dougherty
in reference to our guests

That reminds me of a song from "Beauty and the Beast", (with amended lyrics).

Be our guest, be our guest, put our welfare to the test!"

39 posted on 01/27/2004 9:40:32 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (One person CAN change the world, but most of the time, you probably shouldn't)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
They're such a drain on our states in the West, our taxes keep going up and up to subsidize the cheap labor that benefits a FEW. I'm sick and tired of it.

Shame on you. Don't you realize what an honor and privilege it is to provide free health care to the moochers of the world?

40 posted on 01/27/2004 9:41:01 PM PST by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. -Michelangelo)
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To: yonif
Repealing the law that forces hospitals to provide uncompensated NON EMERGENCY care to illegal aliens would be a first step. Then pass a law billing their home country for the full cost of all emergency hospital services rendered. Its morally obscene not to mention financially unconscionable to leave American taxpayers stuck with the tab for people who have no right to be here in the first place.
41 posted on 01/27/2004 9:48:58 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Just between 2 counties, Westchester Medical and Nassau Medical, in NY, could take at least 15% of the $1 billion. NY state has probably accumulated more than $1 billion in "Charity Care" costs in the last 3 years. There are four other immigrant gateway states, each who could easily consume $1 Billion in tax dollars, to simply continue to be able to provide what was standard care to working class citizens 10 years ago. This will be a $5 billion a year program within 6 years. After that, private insurance no longer "works" in the new American medical system...
42 posted on 01/27/2004 10:46:51 PM PST by JerseyHighlander (quid quid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.)
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..
ping
43 posted on 01/27/2004 10:56:13 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
Part of the expanded Patriot Act would include reinstating the welfare program. That was one good thing in the clinton era, ridding us of that!
44 posted on 01/27/2004 11:07:58 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Republican BUT Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: yonif
GOOD! Until the government starts policing they're own border, and until the governemnt stops making hospitals treat illegals legaly, they government should give money to the Hospitals. Of course we could avoid the entire issue, by (1) not giving social services to those who do not pay taxes for them (2) put up a a very large wall, and (3) agressively pursue any illegal aliens currently in country.
45 posted on 01/27/2004 11:20:07 PM PST by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo; yonif
"U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, a Republican from Palm Beach County who pushed for the GAO study, said that compensating Florida is the right thing to do because the government has not done enough to prevent illegal immigrants from entering the state.">>>>>>>

Gee.......WHERE have I heard those same words before ??? Oh, & something about MORE SCAAP funding (fed. $$ for jailing illegals)??? Now WHO was that, fighting for MORE fed. $$$, to relieve the state/local tax payers ???

Can you believe it was GOVERNOR George W. Bush, of Texas ?? Fighting with DC for more fed. $$$, because DC was not doing their job at the borders in stopping illegals from entering the USA.


Because the stupid lawmakers we elect>>>>>>>>

Now we have PRES. GWB, who has CUT the SCAAP funding to states the last two years, & offers a 'partial' payment on local hospital costs.......& let's not forget the 'proposal', that will keep a million a yr. coming in for their 'rewards'.
46 posted on 01/27/2004 11:21:16 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: Calpernia
No need to run my friend, I found out about this when Bush made his announcement on his proposal, then everyone ran! LOL!
47 posted on 01/27/2004 11:21:27 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Republican BUT Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: All
All you people are RACIST AMERICANS WHO HAVE NO COMPASSION FOR YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS!!!

/sarcasm

48 posted on 01/27/2004 11:50:31 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: yonif
That "Compassionate Conservatism" sure smacks of an overthrow of the legitimate American citizen.
49 posted on 01/27/2004 11:56:01 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: yonif
That ought to keep a lot of docs, nurses, admins and support in clover for a while. Unfortunately this delays the USA from honestly confronting illegal immigration and it's price. The employers of illegals undercut the competition and make larger profits while the costs are shoved over onto society.

Privatizing profits. Socializing the overhead.
50 posted on 01/28/2004 1:58:04 AM PST by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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