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Is Being a Christian Enough?: Kingdoms in Conflict Today
BreakPoint ^ | 28 Jan 04 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 01/28/2004 11:31:57 AM PST by Mr. Silverback

In the past few weeks, the issue of religion and politics has occupied center stage in the presidential campaign. When one person isn't predicting the outcome based on what he claims God personally told him, another person is insisting that, appearances notwithstanding, he is a Christian.

While this makes for fascinating political theater, the important question is: How important is the religious faith of a particular candidate?

In a recent New Republic article, Franklin Foer called Vermont Governor Howard Dean "one of the most secular candidates to run for president in modern history." In Foer's estimation, Dean's secularism, and not his policy proposals, is his biggest political liability, particularly in the South and Midwest. His admission that he doesn't "go to church very often," Foer writes, "[marks] him as culturally alien to much of the country."

And Dean seems to agree. The past few weeks have witnessed a concerted, almost frantic, and sometimes comical attempt on Dean's part to portray himself as a religious believer. He even talked about his "favorite book" in the New Testament: Job. Judging from the response in the media, few are buying it.

Now, Dean's church attendance, or lack thereof, is the least of my problems with him. Still, his efforts to establish his religious credentials remind me of a similar mistake made by some Christians I know. They tell me that "things would really be different in this country if we could just get more Christians elected to office." They believe that if we could fill the Congress and the courts and the White House with born-again believers, we'd straighten out this country in a hurry -- all problems solved.

Now, while I'm in favor of Christians running for public office, and I'm thrilled when believers are elected, things just aren't that simple. That sentiment ignores biblical principles about the role and limitations of civil government.

Someone who understood these principles was Martin Luther. Luther once compared a man who "would venture to govern with the Gospel" to a shepherd who should place in one fold "wolves, lions, eagles, and sheep together and let them freely mingle."

Thinking that electing Christians to high public office answers all of our problems ignores a reality that Luther knew: In every society, "the wicked always outnumber the good."

It's a sinful world. Therefore, government's prime job is to restrain sin and to preserve order. That is its ordained role from God. Our leaders, therefore, have to be those who are best-suited for carrying out these tasks, the most confident and responsible. Or, as Luther is supposed to have said, it is better to be "ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish Christian."

Does this mean that we shouldn't encourage our fellow believers to seek elective office and support them once they do? Of course not. Christians are called to apply biblical truth to all areas of life, including politics and government. Nor does it mean that a candidate's beliefs are irrelevant. A candidate's beliefs shed light on his values, priorities, and character -- all of which matter when it comes to governance. A believer should be a force for virtue, and having one in office is a witness, of course.

But this doesn't change the fact that the first requirement is competence. And some non-Christians may be better prepared to carry out government's biblical mandate than some Christians, no matter how often the latter attend church.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: 2004; charlescolson; dean; deanschristianity
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1 posted on 01/28/2004 11:31:58 AM PST by Mr. Silverback
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2 posted on 01/28/2004 11:32:29 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Jimmy Carter was a prime example of a Christian whose policies were "dumb as a stick". And his policies were a result of his flawed Christian theology, where he didn't recognize the basic sinfulness of man, and therefore was so naive that he was surprised by the Soviets invading Afghanistan, and his continual pandering to despots.

The sinfulness of man means that nobody should be given too much power. There should be a separation and balancing of powers. That was the beauty of our Founding Fathers. They recognized that because they were heavily influenced by the Puritans of their day. The sinfulness of man is also why government should not get too big. carter didn't recognize that. Besides all that, Carter has proven himself to be a vain and bitter person. Certainly not an example of good Christian character. As for Clinton, he only faked being a Christian, carrying his big Bible to church so that the media could see it.

3 posted on 01/28/2004 11:56:58 AM PST by DeweyCA
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To: DeweyCA
Your points here are excellent.

BTW, I apologize for not yet responding to your freepmail about the treaty with the Barbary pirates. Will do so soon.
4 posted on 01/28/2004 12:03:08 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
In regards to Howard Dean and Joe Lieberman, it means a lot to me.

Dean says he is a "follower of Jesus", yet says his favorite book of the New Testament is Job. Asked about his favorite religious book, he doesn't notice that the Bible is missing.

Joe changed his views on abortion and vouchers when he teamed up with Al Gore.

In both cases, I smell hypocracy.

As for Rev. Al Sharpton, he hasn't changed his views, but we religious folks hold Reverends to higher standards because they often get to speak on moral issues. Al is for abortion, homsxulity, and well as racial preferences - Way to the left.

So as far as I am concerned, these guys are toast.

5 posted on 01/28/2004 12:03:13 PM PST by sr4402
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To: Mr. Silverback
It's a sinful world.

Indeed.

Therefore, government's prime job is to restrain sin and to preserve order.

That does not follow. Since it's a sinful world, is it therefore the fire department's prime job to restrain sin and to preserve order?

6 posted on 01/28/2004 12:32:34 PM PST by Winston Smith Jr.
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To: Winston Smith Jr.
That does not follow. Since it's a sinful world, is it therefore the fire department's prime job to restrain sin and to preserve order?

1. You are applying a generalization to one very specific government organ.

2. If there was no sin, there would be perfection, and no death. If there was perfection, there would be no uncontrolled fires, and no death or destruction of property from those fires. There would then be no need for a fire department. Disorder/danger proceeding from sin is controlled by this government arm.

3. If you doubt the government mandate to restrain sin and preserve order, here's the appropriate text from Romans 13:1-7:

Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

7 posted on 01/28/2004 12:54:11 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
This reminds me of an anecdote about G.K. Chesterton that drives home a similar point. He was once asked what books he would most like to have with him if he were stranded on a desert island. As a devout believer you would expect that he might answer, "The Bible"; but, in fact, he replied, "Thomas's Guide to Practical Shipbuilding."

Indeed, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;" but there are uses for which it is not as well suited. :-)
8 posted on 01/28/2004 12:56:23 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: Mr. Silverback; Winston Smith Jr.
The significance of this quoted passage is made even more apparent if one considers that it was written to the Romans in the first century, when the government was far from Christian and certainly not totally benevolent.
9 posted on 01/28/2004 12:58:49 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969; Mr. Silverback
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ad0b80b3a17.htm - NO KING BUT JESUS: Romans 13 and the Perfect Law of Liberty
10 posted on 01/28/2004 1:25:33 PM PST by Winston Smith Jr.
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To: mcg1969; Mr. Silverback
Note especially "Contention IV".
11 posted on 01/28/2004 1:27:22 PM PST by Winston Smith Jr.
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To: mcg1969
Excellent point.
12 posted on 01/28/2004 1:32:32 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: Winston Smith Jr.
OK...I'm not understanding what ytour point is at all. Post 13 does not seem to follow from your original post at all.
13 posted on 01/28/2004 1:37:57 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Short answer: government's prime job is to restrain only those sins which violate the rights of others.

Longer answer:

Contention IV: The Conditionality of the Authority which God has Granted to Government

Question: If Government is empowered ONLY to punish Evil, and if those who do Good should therefore have no Fear of the Government, what Evil is the Government empowered to punish?
Answer: The State is empowered ONLY to punish those who violate the Second Table of the Law.

Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbour's.

This exegesis is soundly supported by the mainstream of Reformation political theology (or “Theonomy”) which provided the philosophical basis for our own American Revolution, and which holds that Paul clearly defined the Evils which the State was to punish in Romans 13: 8-10.

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So long as Paul’s readers abided by these Commandments, they should have no Fear of the State. It follows, then ,that any re-definition of “Evil” by the State, other than that which Paul has specifically authorized, is illegitimate and UnScriptural; for if the State could define as “Evil” anything it wanted to define as evil, then Paul could not offer his readers his assurance that, by upholding the Second Table of the Law, they had “fulfilled the law” and should therefore “not be afraid of the power”.
14 posted on 01/28/2004 1:50:20 PM PST by Winston Smith Jr.
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To: Winston Smith Jr.
That's a decent article but it's hardly perfect. It really doesn't contradict what we're saying anyway.

Again I remind you of the context in which Romans was written, when there was no such thing as a Christian government. Romans 13 must certainly have applied to all of its readers, including most certainly its first readers. So Romans 13 was not limited to Christian civil governance.

Certainly, there will be occasions when our mandate to obey God will conflict with our duty to obey the government; and in such cases God must certainly prevail. However, there are many functions and regulations of civil society that are not fully described, prescribed, or conradicted by Scripture, and in such cases we are to respect the laws of the land.

15 posted on 01/28/2004 1:55:35 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: Winston Smith Jr.
Fair enough.
16 posted on 01/28/2004 1:58:27 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: mcg1969
there are many functions and regulations of civil society that are not fully described, prescribed, or conradicted by Scripture

From the article:

The following five major theological problems are created when Christians tell our Magistrates that they need “pay no heed” to the specific Authority granted them in Romans 13: 8 - 10:


17 posted on 01/28/2004 2:06:04 PM PST by Winston Smith Jr.
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To: Winston Smith Jr.
The following five major theological problems are created when Christians tell our Magistrates that they need “pay no heed” to the specific Authority granted them in Romans 13: 8 - 10:

Hold on a moment, when did any of us even suggest that we tell our "Magistrates" this? You're putting words in our mouth that we never said.

And again, this line of argument continues to ignore the historical context of Romans 13. Christians had no significant influence on their government whatsoever when Romans was written; indeed, the Roman authority was already hostile to Christianity, depending on the exact dating of Romans. So Romans 13 cannot be considered only as some prescription for a democratically-elected government.

18 posted on 01/28/2004 4:31:16 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969
Hold on a moment, when did any of us even suggest that we tell our "Magistrates" this?

The same major theological problems are created when our Magistrates tell themselves that they may exceed the specific Authority granted them in Romans 13: 8 - 10.

19 posted on 01/29/2004 6:18:07 AM PST by Winston Smith Jr.
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To: Winston Smith Jr.
So what you're saying then is that Romans 13 had no relevance whatsoever to its first century readers. Somehow I doubt that.
20 posted on 01/29/2004 3:36:48 PM PST by mcg1969
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