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Latest worm ( MyDoom ) has professional twist (Computer experts blame spammers)
AJC.com ^ | 1/28/04 | Bill Husted

Posted on 01/29/2004 12:57:10 PM PST by honeygrl

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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
c-24-1-157-18.client.comcast.net (c-24-1-157-18.client.comcast.net [24.1.157.18])

This is most likely a dial up, or DSL connection. Send the complaint to abuse@comcast.net. My experience with this indicates that people frequently receive trial subscriptions solely for the purpose of originating spam. Recently, a wireless spot in a hotel was used to originate spam.

Text based spam is bad enough, but when it includes viruses and trojans, the problem is compounded. CNN suggested this current virus could cost over $250M.

Open Relays pose a problem, as do trial subscriptions, and temporary email accounts. Even though fewer open relays exist in the US, the emergence in 3rd world countries will only increase this problem.

The real challenge is that the existing email protocol cannot authenticate who really sent the email. The advocates for updating the protocol are dwarfed by the advocates for keeping the existing protocol due to the anticipated cost for making the change. Existing applications are based on the current protocol and they would have to be changed.

The CAN-SPAM Act fails because it requires you to identify who sent you the spam. When it comes from a 3rd world country, that will not happen. When the spammers spoof the headers, again you cannot identify who sent the email.

41 posted on 01/29/2004 3:28:47 PM PST by rit
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To: Nick Danger
For example, the supposed DDOS attack on Microsoft was not in the original worm; it was added yesterday by sending out a new worm that scans for old worms, and tells them to update themselves with this, where "this" is whatever the guy wants to add.

It's my understanding that W32.Mydoom.B (the one that includes DoS's against both SCO AND Microsoft)is a whole new variation of W32.NovargA (the original MyDoom SCO worm)and is not, to my knowledge, "updating" the original package in the wild. If you have information to the contrary, I'd be interested in seeing it.

42 posted on 01/29/2004 3:32:02 PM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: rit
I see a lot of spam from "spam zombie" machines on dsl and broadband networks. They get infected with a backdoor trojan, and then the spammers will use them to send mail from.
43 posted on 01/29/2004 3:37:06 PM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: Nick Danger
You were right the first time: fundamentally, no one really knows what this thing is for. It is a remotely-piloted executor of arbitrary code. Its "real" mission, whatever that is, could be scheduled to arrive a week from now, or a month from now, and could be anything.

I see your finally starting to understand the dangers of computer criminals? That's actually the first post ever I've seen you make where may be actually starting to realize that policing of the internet is a forgone conclusion.

There are some really bad people out there on the net, and they used to just pirate other's property, giving it away for free all over the world, but now they're launching bombs out there. These "loosely knit groups of hackers from around the web" (kernel.org) have to be watched closely. I'm amazed and hopeful you're starting to see the light. More likely, just a temporary flash.

44 posted on 01/29/2004 3:41:58 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: All
Most of these links are courtesy Martin Fierro:

Alternative browsers:
http://www.mozilla.org/
http://www.opera.com/

Free anti-viral protection:
http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php

Popup ad killers:
http://www.bayden.com/popper/

Close that friggin' Messenger in Windows XP:
http://grc.com/stm/ShootTheMessenger.htm

Spyware removers:
http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?lang=en&page=download
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/
http://www.wilderssecurity.net/spywareblaster.html

Good for pre-screening & bouncing SPAM:
http://mailwasher.net/

Script Defender ( stop that nonsense from running unwelcome scripts ):
http://www.analogx.com/welcome.htm

Online virus scans:
http://housecall.antivirus.com/housecall/start_corp.asp
Trend Micro

http://www.rav.ro/scan/indexie.php
RAV

http://www.bitdefender.com/scan/license.php
Bit Defender

45 posted on 01/29/2004 3:48:31 PM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: Leroy S. Mort
is not, to my knowledge, "updating" the original package in the wild. If you have information to the contrary, I'd be interested in seeing it.

From the discussion of Novarg.B on Symantec Security Response (see #11):

The worm also contains functionality which allows it to install itself on systems which may have been infected by W32.Novarg.A@mm. This is accomplished as follows:

So basically this guy can send out a new worm at any time to modify the behavior of the old worms. I think it's against the law in the United States to invade someone else's computer, but perhaps a "white hat" in some other country could send out an update that kills this thing, and then deletes itself.

46 posted on 01/29/2004 4:00:05 PM PST by Nick Danger ( With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.)
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To: Golden Eagle
When you swim in the ocean, you enter the food chain.
47 posted on 01/29/2004 4:00:58 PM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: backhoe
No Netscape? BTW, do you know if any other browsers offer the 'full screen' mode with zero border like IE?

48 posted on 01/29/2004 4:03:45 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
In the Microsoft Outlook product's preview mode, if an email contains an embedded executable mime type, does it trigger automatically? Or, does the user have to open the attachment? Clarity is appreciated.
49 posted on 01/29/2004 4:11:33 PM PST by rit
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To: tacticalogic
I see a lot of spam from "spam zombie" machines on dsl and broadband networks.

It's insane how infected some of these broadband ISP's are with this stuff, a virgin system gets popped within 10 mins on a lot of them. They're going to have to better authenticate, and the more you'll pay the sounder your service will be. You can already join one of the major ISP's and get similar protetion now, but some would rather ride these big waves anyway. So it will never end, some will just better isolate themselves from it.

50 posted on 01/29/2004 4:17:09 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
No Netscape? BTW, do you know if any other browsers offer the 'full screen' mode with zero border like IE?

Oversight- I keep 7.1 on my machine and like it fine... far as the other 2 go, I have used them in the past, but darned if I can recall offhand that border feature- I suspect you can do it, but can't say for sure.

51 posted on 01/29/2004 4:18:20 PM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: rit
My understanding is older versions of Outlook can indeed have a 'preview pane' vulnerability where a received message can possibly autolaunch itself if it becomes active in the preview pane, and I believe that was only related to Outlook Express, the free package included in Windows and not the Outlook 9X, 2000, etc that comes packaged with Office, I believe it's preview pane may have always been safe although that version is perhaps more vulnerable to HTML mail attacks.

However these would be much older, more like initial implementations, that hopefully have long since been upgraded and would in fact be considered one of the more serious threats that an intellegent updater like windowsupdate.com would immediately notice as severe issue.

Any modern version of Outlook Express (normal Outlook not being affected) that came with any recent version of IE (5.1+) would probably not be susceptable. As I said, at least that is my current understanding...
52 posted on 01/29/2004 4:24:22 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
It's insane how infected some of these broadband ISP's are with this stuff, a virgin system gets popped within 10 mins on a lot of them. They're going to have to better authenticate, and the more you'll pay the sounder your service will be. You can already join one of the major ISP's and get similar protetion now, but some would rather ride these big waves anyway. So it will never end, some will just better isolate themselves from it.

At the very least, the broadband and dsl providers ought to be stopping smtp traffic from their clients, or at least making arrangements for an authorization process to enable it. I stop the majority of spam from hitting my mail servers by using RDNS, and blocking all the address spaces assigned to China. AOL is testing the new SPF (Sender Permitted From) DNS extention, and I'm waiting to see how that turns out.

53 posted on 01/29/2004 4:27:01 PM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: Nick Danger
perhaps a "white hat" in some other country could send out an update that kills this thing, and then deletes itself.

Someone did write such a thing kill the blaster worm. Unfortunately it was so agressive, it would overload networks just from the sheer volume of scanning it was doing.

54 posted on 01/29/2004 4:31:25 PM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: tacticalogic
At the very least, the broadband and dsl providers ought to be stopping smtp traffic from their clients, or at least making arrangements for an authorization process to enable it.

They don't want to turn anything off, unless they turn it all off, then the customers all raise hell and threaten to drop. The ISP's seem to be at a break even point though, no way to add staff or features like security without raising their rates, something nobody wants, but maybe inevitable.

55 posted on 01/29/2004 4:42:36 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Thank you for the response. What about embedded HTML with javascript and/or active-X? Is that autoenabled in the preview pane for the current versions of outlook?
56 posted on 01/29/2004 4:45:48 PM PST by rit
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To: honeygrl
These "MyDoom" articles on FR have reminded me to update my virus definitions every day for the past several days, and there's always something new. Usually, I update about once a week.
57 posted on 01/29/2004 4:46:38 PM PST by wimpycat ("Black holes are where God divided by zero.")
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To: tacticalogic
perhaps a "white hat" in some other country could send out an update that kills this thing, and then deletes itself.

I think that may be welchia. I'm not in favor of much vigilante justice, there's enough lose cannons out there as it is. And there's a tremendous amount of bluring of the lines between the "black hats" and the "white hats" right now, including these 'security firms' that release newly found exploits straight onto the open internet without first notifying the vendors and giving them a chance to build a patch first. But you can't have a "mob rules" world out there, which it is turning into.

58 posted on 01/29/2004 4:50:34 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: rit
Thank you for the response. What about embedded HTML with javascript and/or active-X? Is that autoenabled in the preview pane for the current versions of outlook?

All the same, as far as I know. The latest versions of Outlook with very latest patches applied won't let you open any attachment without saving it first, or at least that is my understanding. You could be hyperlinked, but that would typically require a corrupt host for you to connect.

Of course, A/V protection is a higher level of protection, from the client to the server on to the perimeter if you control it. With that updating signatures constantly, only the immediate impact of a virus not yet defined by your A/V vendor and pushed to your protection points can even get to your Outlook client. Still happens, on rare occassion even with the best perimeter defense, but then you have the other protections I've mentioned along with user education.

59 posted on 01/29/2004 5:01:02 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: wimpycat
These "MyDoom" articles on FR have reminded me to update my virus definitions every day for the past several days, and there's always something new. Usually, I update about once a week.

If you have any sort of permanent connection you should update every day. Usually the mid morning to early afternoon signatures have been built to block whatever comes from overseas that day. But you have to do this since even what may seem as extreme precaution may not be enough, as the virus sometimes advance in front of the virus, although that actually did not seem to be the case with MyDoom, there are just a lot of people who aren't upgrading fast enough that got caught and accidentally clicked those files. Bottom line, treat the dangers of the internet with deserved respect, and you'll be fine.

60 posted on 01/29/2004 5:05:48 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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