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Lloyd 'Pete' Bucher, commander of USS Pueblo, age 76, Laid to Rest in San Diego today - Feb 3, 2004
Mercury News ^ | 1/29/04 | Seth Hettena - AP

Posted on 01/29/2004 3:45:50 PM PST by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:49:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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USS Pueblo Veterans Association: http://www.usspueblo.org/

1 posted on 01/29/2004 3:45:52 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Semper Fi
2 posted on 01/29/2004 3:49:45 PM PST by Republicus2001
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To: NormsRevenge
The government and the Navy can be proud of their actions in this one.
3 posted on 01/29/2004 3:50:20 PM PST by cynicom
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To: NormsRevenge
, Bucher's final duty included the mining of Haiphong Harbor in North Vietnam.

Just Damn!

Marines! Haaaaaaand Salute!
4 posted on 01/29/2004 3:54:32 PM PST by tet68
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To: NormsRevenge
My brother lives in Poway and is an avid collector of WWII uniforms and other paraphenalia. A few years back he bought some things from Mr. Bucher. He just thought he was buying from another collector until he met him. He talked with him for hours and was able to purchase some items.
5 posted on 01/29/2004 4:05:02 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Already practicing for St. Patrick's day)
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To: NormsRevenge
Bucher was given a suicide mission monitoring an increasingly hostile North Korea and was hung out to dry in crunch time.
6 posted on 01/29/2004 4:07:41 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: NormsRevenge; snippy_about_it; Ragtime Cowgirl


Cmdr. Lloyd "Pete" Bucher

7 posted on 01/29/2004 4:12:46 PM PST by SAMWolf (We secretly replaced the dilithium crystals with Folgers crystals...)
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To: NormsRevenge
So long Commander.
8 posted on 01/29/2004 4:28:17 PM PST by Bobibutu
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To: NormsRevenge
Ollie North's War Stories had the story of the Peublo capture on this past Sunday. Sorry to see Cmdr. Bucher has passed away. He and his crew went through hell. North Korea deserves payback. Someday, hoping it comes.
9 posted on 01/29/2004 4:43:31 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Ciexyz
Ping.
10 posted on 01/29/2004 4:49:14 PM PST by blam
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To: NormsRevenge
The ship remained behind in North Korea, where it became a tourist attraction.

I say it's never too late to send a force to go get it back.

11 posted on 01/29/2004 4:50:36 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: blam
I tried to post to this thread a few minutes ago when there were only 3 messages up, and a message appeared on my screen: This thread has been pulled. So, I'm glad to see that this thread is still up. (Note to FR: Is there a glitch in your system?)
12 posted on 01/29/2004 4:52:24 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz
I remember reading a paperback on The Pueblo, published soon after the crew was released. Heavy stuff it was. Those men went thru hell. Kudos to them all, and to Commander Bucher.
13 posted on 01/29/2004 4:54:26 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz
It was another thread that was pulled for being a duplicate. (I posted it.)
14 posted on 01/29/2004 4:54:43 PM PST by blam
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To: NormsRevenge
Lloyd Bucher was left holding the bag for an administration's cowardice, another disaster on Lyndon Johnson's watch. The seizure of an American warship -- under ANY circumstances -- should be considered an act of war, and the response should be swift and certain: give us our people back or you will die.

Rest in peace, Commander.

15 posted on 01/29/2004 4:55:13 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Alas Babylon!
I enjoyed War Stories about the Pueblo. I did not realize that the North Koreans still had the ship until I watched that.

I hope Cmdr. Bucher had a chance to enjoy that show before he died. Now his family will have that memory.

As usual, Ollie did a great job.

16 posted on 01/29/2004 5:03:02 PM PST by mathluv
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To: NormsRevenge
Oh man. He spoke at our Navy World Wide Public Affairs Conference in New Orleans last year. It was great listening to his sea stories. He was a real character.
17 posted on 01/29/2004 5:09:54 PM PST by Junior (Some people follow their dreams. Others hunt theirs down and beat them mercilessly into submission)
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To: blam
My family always thought that Bucher got a raw deal. We all read that book on The Pueblo and couldn't figure out why the government left those men hanging.
18 posted on 01/29/2004 5:12:25 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: NormsRevenge
I'm ashamed to admit that I'd forgotten all about this event.

The more I think about events such as this one, the Mayaguez, Desert One, and Somalia, the more I'm thankful for the man who sits in the White House today.

God bless George Bush. Finally a man with balls leading us.

20 posted on 01/29/2004 5:30:22 PM PST by FReepaholic (Never Forget: www.september-11-videos.com)
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To: BartMan1; Nailbiter
Where do they get these men?

Commander Bucher, RIP.
21 posted on 01/29/2004 5:38:40 PM PST by IncPen ( Liberalism: Working for you until all of your money is spent.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I'm very sorry to learn this. ;-(
22 posted on 01/29/2004 5:42:02 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: NormsRevenge
FOX's War Stories recently did a story on the USS Pueblo. It was facinating! I am so glad that was done before Commander Bucher died. Too bad we couldn't have gotten the ship back from NK before he died.

God bless the family!
23 posted on 01/29/2004 5:44:30 PM PST by CyberAnt ("America is the GREATEST NATION on the face of the earth")
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To: NormsRevenge
I met commander Bucher here in S.D. some yrs back and told him I admired him for his service.
24 posted on 01/29/2004 5:44:40 PM PST by SoCalPol
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To: NormsRevenge
Years later, Bucher remained angry that no U.S. forces were sent to aid the Pueblo.

"The U.S. at that time had enormous military forces in the western Pacific within five minutes flying time of us," Bucher told The Associated Press in 1988. "I would have thought something could be mustered to come to our aid. But everybody just forgot we were there."

That would be under the brilliant military/foreign policy era of Johnson, and McNamara (who did such a wonderful job with Vietnam strategy and tactics).

25 posted on 01/29/2004 5:45:07 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: NormsRevenge
RIP brave warrior...

America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America
http://12thman.us/media/jihad.rm (Requires RealPlayer)

Who is Steve Emerson?

26 posted on 01/29/2004 5:45:34 PM PST by JCG
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To: NormsRevenge
Cmdr. Bucher --- May you Rest In Peace.
27 posted on 01/29/2004 5:45:43 PM PST by ken in texas
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To: NormsRevenge
..no US Forces were sent to aid the Pueblo

I believe that General McKee, USAF, got information that one of our Navy boats had been taken by the North Koreans and after frustrating discussions with the Navy and the Pentagon, took it upon himself to send several jets from Okinawa with orders to shoot the hell out of the North Koreans if they were caught before they got into harbour. The jets got to the Pueblo as it was entering the NK harbour. General McKee was livid that the Navy with a carrier within a hundred miles would not send aid to the Pueblo. McKee's actions have been pretty much under the radar screen since it happened because he took it upon himself and went against the handwringing Navy and Pentagon.

It is an incontrovertible that Commander Bucher and his crew served above and beyond the call of duty, before, during and after their capture. The Navy and the Pentagon left the little boat high and dry. God Bless you Commander.

28 posted on 01/29/2004 5:57:51 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: SAMWolf
The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The USS PUEBLO HiJacking (1/23/1968) - Nov. 4th, 2003
29 posted on 01/29/2004 6:14:44 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: tet68
Actually, Bucher's final duty was DE-mining Haiphong harbor. The US was required to do this under the Paris Peace Accords which ended the Vietnam war.

The actual mining of Haiphong was done in May 1972 by Navy aircraft.
30 posted on 01/29/2004 6:27:29 PM PST by Poundstone
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To: snippy_about_it
Thank You for posting the FReeper Foxhole link.



Click on the logo and read more about the USS Pueblo incident.

31 posted on 01/29/2004 7:00:28 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
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To: NormsRevenge
No problem. Thanks for your link. ;-)
32 posted on 01/29/2004 7:38:17 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: NormsRevenge; SAMWolf; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; TEXOKIE; Alamo-Girl; windchime; Grampa Dave; ...
Thank you for this post, NormsRevenge.

Thanks for the ping, SAMWolf.


"The man was a giant," Russell said from his home in Eureka, Calif. "Being the focal point between the Koreans and the crew, he took the brunt of everything. No matter who did what, he was always punished. I simply don't know where he got the strength and courage to go through what he did."


 
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"I had people come to me and say on so many occasions that
they never really appreciated how great it was to be an American
 until they had the misfortune to have been captured and stuck in
a country that is completely devoid of humanity and truthfulness."
 
~ Cmdr. Lloyd "Pete" Bucher ~
 

33 posted on 01/29/2004 7:58:57 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("The chapter of Iraq's history - Saddam Hussein's reign of terror - is now closed." Lt. Gen. Sanchez)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Ollie North's War Stories had the story of the Peublo capture on this past Sunday. Sorry to see Cmdr. Bucher has passed away. He and his crew went through hell. North Korea deserves payback. Someday, hoping it comes.

I saw that. So sad.

34 posted on 01/29/2004 8:03:55 PM PST by RightWingMama
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To: NormsRevenge
May God Welcome him Home and Comfort his family and friends.


35 posted on 01/29/2004 8:08:12 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Thank You Troops, Past and Present)
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To: snippy_about_it
Thanks Snippy.
36 posted on 01/29/2004 8:20:25 PM PST by SAMWolf (We secretly replaced the dilithium crystals with Folgers crystals...)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I'm sorry to hear this. I pray for God's blessings and peace for all his loved ones.
37 posted on 01/29/2004 8:22:48 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alas Babylon!
North Korea deserves payback. Someday, hoping it comes.

It's never too late.


38 posted on 01/29/2004 8:33:21 PM PST by ASA Vet (Genius is the ability to make mistakes more quickly.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
39 posted on 01/29/2004 8:50:24 PM PST by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: IncPen
The court did note that Bucher's leadership helped the crew survive the ordeal. While Bucher was being grilled by the Court of Inquiry, crewmembers passed him a note that read, "We've made it this far together and we'll finish it together." The note was signed "Bucher's Bastards."

It is no small thing for a man to have one real friend in this life -- truly through his actions, Cmdr Bucher insured these men were his.

40 posted on 01/29/2004 9:05:41 PM PST by BartMan1
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To: NormsRevenge
Years later, Bucher remained angry that no U.S. forces were sent to aid the Pueblo.

Dirty little secret time. The ROK Air Force said they would be willing to fly CAP for the Pueblo. 5th air force said no they had it covered. Small problem, there were only two planes on alert when this all went down, two F-4s with the wrong kind of weapons. Think one bomb pre plane, two-man comcept/no-lone zone and you might guess what they were carrying.
41 posted on 01/29/2004 9:10:26 PM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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I'm beginning to believe they were carrying the "right" weapons and should have delivered them with extreme prejudice to Kim Il Sung's front doorstep.
42 posted on 01/29/2004 9:20:43 PM PST by Kevin Curry (Dems' magnificent four: Shrieking Nikita, Frenchie La Lurch , Gen. Jack D. Ripper, and Lionel Putz)
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To: NormsRevenge
I met Lloyd in the late 70s at art school, Art Center in Pasadena. We were students together. He was a nice man, quiet and graceful, just trying to learn a new discipline. He didn't want to talk about the Pueblo when I asked him. Art school was (is) full of liberals who didn't even know this man's story.

I've thought of him often. God Bless him. RIP
43 posted on 01/29/2004 9:24:05 PM PST by moodyskeptic (weekend warrior in the culture war)
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My brother was stunned when he met him, he did not expect to meet such a historical figure. He trades and collects from people all over the world, but this man literally lived in his immediate vicinity. I'll have to call him tomorrow, to let him know, if he doesn't already so he can attend the funeral.
44 posted on 01/29/2004 9:32:02 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Already practicing for St. Patrick's day)
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To: BartMan1
This is the part that got me:

Bucher was sent to the St. Joseph's Children Home in Idaho where he remained until 1940 when he saw the Spencer Tracy film "Boys Town." Bucher wrote to Boys Town founder Father Edward Flanagan in Nebraska, asking for permission to live there. Flanagan sent him a train ticket, according to an account provided by Boys Town.

"Boys Town was the only home that I ever had," Bucher once said.

I am put in mind of one of the greats in the generation before us, who, relating the horrors of his own war, waved his hand and said, "You play the hand you're dealt..."

45 posted on 01/29/2004 10:39:02 PM PST by IncPen ( Liberalism: Working for you until all of your money is spent.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Sad Message , Please look this link :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1045743/posts
46 posted on 01/30/2004 12:28:17 AM PST by serurier (We come here for the freedom of the world)
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To: truth_seeker
I heard the same story about the Pueblo that was published about the Liberty. In both cases, all of the appropriate aircraft in range were armed with nuclear weapons. I don't have first hand knowledge about the Liberty, but my source on the Pueblo was pretty good.
We did have intelligence that indicated the North Koreans were about to pull something in the days before the Pueblo was taken (troop movements, radio traffic, etc) but nothing specific to the Pueblo.
47 posted on 01/30/2004 4:34:23 AM PST by herzo
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To: RightWingMama
Wish I had seen that. A few months ago, I heard about a documentary that was going to be on HBO about the Pueblo incident. Haven't heard anything else about it. Anyone else hear the same thing? I have alway wanted to meet Cdr. Bucher. Now, that is no longer possible. May he rest in peace. A ship's Captian who had no choice to do what he was forced to do under the given circumstances. He once served aboard a submarine, and during the siezure of the USS Pueblo he is quoted as saying "I wish I could dive this boat". He can now join those crew members who have passed away since the capture and return. I'll bet this is front page news in North Korea. They're probably having a party over this news, the bastards. Sorry for my language. No other way to say it.
I wrote a letter to him about twenty years ago and he wrote me back and sent an autographed picture. Those are two items I will always cherish. RIP CDR. Bucher, USS Pueblo AGER-2.
48 posted on 01/30/2004 6:42:03 AM PST by NCC-1701 (DALLAS COWBOYS - "AMERICA'S TEAM")
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They both played their hand very well....
49 posted on 01/30/2004 6:42:34 AM PST by BartMan1
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I'm glad you used the proper language.

RIP Commander Bucher.
50 posted on 01/30/2004 6:52:46 AM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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