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VANITY: The best way to keep America a sovereign free nation is to keep the Democrats out of power!
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Posted on 01/29/2004 5:54:35 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Will Bush solve the illegal immigration problem? Probably not. But neither will Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Clark or Hillary. Chances are, they'd make it worse. Probably far worse.

Will Bush solve the government spending problem? Probably not. But neither will Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Clark or Hillary. Chances are, they'd make it worse. Probably far worse.

Will Bush solve the campaign finance problem? Probably not. But neither will Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Clark or Hillary. Chances are, they'd make it worse. Probably far worse.

Will Bush solve the drug war problem? Probably not. But neither will Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Clark or Hillary. Chances are, they'd make it worse. Probably far worse.

Will Bush solve the nation's education problems? Probably not. But neither will Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Clark or Hillary. Chances are, they'd make it worse. Probably far worse.

Will Bush solve the so-called healthcare problems? Probably not. But neither will Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Clark or Hillary. Chances are, they'd make it worse. Probably far worse.

Will Bush solve the so-called environmental problems? Probably not. But neither will Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Clark or Hillary. Chances are, they'd make it worse. Probably far worse.

Will Bush solve the social security problems? Probably not. But neither will Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Clark or Hillary. Chances are, they'd make it worse. Probably far worse.

Will Bush solve the medicare problems? Probably not. But neither will Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Clark or Hillary. Chances are, they'd make it worse. Probably far worse.

Will Bush defend America from those bent on destroying her? You'd better bet your sweet bippy he will.

Will any of the Democrats defend America? Hell no they won't. They'd rather turn us over to the U.N. They'd surrender to the French Foreign Legion if given the chance.

Will Bush appoint conservative judges? Yup!

Will Kerry, Edwards, Clark, Hillary, et al, appoint conservative judges? Yeah, right. And hell will freeze over tomorrow.

Will Bush continue reducing taxes? Yup.

Will Kerry, Edwards, Clark, Hillary, et al, raise your taxes as soon as they possibly can if given the opportunity and continue raising them until hell freezes over? Yup.

Will Bush defend the right to life? Check

Will Bush defend marriage between a man a woman? Check

Will Bush defend the right to keep and bear arms? Check

Will Bush say no to Kyoto? Check.

Will Bush say no to a world court? Check.

Will Bush say no to the U.N.? Check.

Will Kerry, Edwards, Clark, Hillary, et al, remove our national sovereignty and subjugate America to world government? Just as quickly as they possibly can if given the opportunity.

Will any other person be elected to the Presidency in 2004 other than Bush (God willing) or a Democrat? Obviously not.

Doesn't make a lick of sense to me to allow the America hating, freedom hating Democrats back into power now that we've kicked them out.

Say yes to sovereignty for America and continued freedom for all Americans.

Say no to the RATS!!


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To: WOSG
Disagree... Bush and a *conservative* Congress that wins on his coattails will cut spending.

Whoa, friend! Bush has had a *conservative* Congress for two years. Bush is now about ready to sign, sans protest, an omnibus bill that's $500B in the red. This following a spending bill that was likewise way into the red. Both spending bills were under the full control of a Republican Congress and a Republican President.

Though Bush does most smoothly assure us that next year it will be only a 1% increase on the discretionary portion of the fredral budget, which is a small portion of the overall budget. And I'll believe it when I see it.

Two points: 1) Discretionary spending will be up considerly more than 1% and 2) Bush's own words of assurance says nothing about even attempting to control non-discretionary spending. That will go up unabated in the next budget under the 3R led government you tout just like the past two years.

And then there's the amnesty.

I watch what they do, not what they tell me they do.

For the point you make - that the 3R led government has been in control for two years and "leading" us in such a manner, this has been the most disappointing presidency in my lifetime.

***an ex-Republican base voter***

1,041 posted on 01/31/2004 9:28:53 AM PST by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo President 2004!)
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To: Bush2004
authenticliberals darn sure know a conservative justice when they see 'em.


William Hubbs Rhenquist


Antonin Scalia


Clarence Thomas

1,042 posted on 01/31/2004 9:34:09 AM PST by Kryptonite
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To: WOSG
The problem is that Bush is actively undermining fiscal restraint. It's not that he is forced into this through compromise on other issues ... he's just throwing away opportunities to cut ... tell me why didnt he veto the Farm Bill and demand that they cut down the cost, give nit was far more expensive than he claimed to want? Why hasnt he vetoed anything?

Why do you think he is a Big Spend/No Veto president.?

I think it's a simple case of pleasing this and that faction by spending lavishly on those factions to win their votes.

To the detriment of us all.

***an ex-Republican-base voter***

1,043 posted on 01/31/2004 9:35:20 AM PST by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo President 2004!)
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To: WOSG
I like Herman...besides, I got no particular gripe with my Senators, even Zell. My House Rep is the firmly entrenched Denise Majette.

But still, I'll not support the Pubbies unless necessary in November. The Primary I decide on a bit later.

PS - I've gotten two mailings from the Cain campaign picturing Cain and the governor of Arkansas or Missouri, somewhere around there, smiling together. What's up with that? Can't Cain get Sonny's backing and a photo with him?

1,044 posted on 01/31/2004 9:44:57 AM PST by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo President 2004!)
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To: spodefly
Pardon me for buttin' in, but I don't think it's over the top. I wrote something similarly concise earlier this week

Pictures really do say a thousand words, but the looks on the dim faces you've chosen make me laugh.

Well done.

1,045 posted on 01/31/2004 10:08:05 AM PST by Kryptonite
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To: hoosiermama
---....Bush, by virture of his office does not/cannot write the laws....---

I did say in his proposal, so let him propose these things.

Sadly I think we will see no such Bush proposals.
1,046 posted on 01/31/2004 10:30:22 AM PST by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo President 2004!)
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To: citizen
Bush has had a *conservative* Congress for two years.

Certainly not. the House and Senate are nominally Republican, but moderate RINOs in the Senate number 5-7 and with 49 Democrats that makes a RINO+Democrat majority. There are no more than 40 or so reliable *conservatives* in the Senate.

In the House, it is about the same, but at least we have a conservative leadership with guys like Tom DeLay who mostly are able to get conservative bills through the House.

If we had a conservative majority, we would be drilling in ANWR by now. We arent because even thought Bush admin supports it, no Democrats do, and there are enough Republican RINOs against it so it doesnt happen. If we had a conservative majority, we would never have seen CFR pass - that bill was passed by 100% Democrats and enough RINO Republicans to make it a majority bill.

The same holds for other bills - you talk of "amnesty". Of course, the Democrats have PROPOSED OUT AND OUT AMNESTY - 'legalizing' illegal aliens and changing the status of millions to getting a quick path to citizenship. IF THE DEMOCRATS INCREASE THEIR SENATE NUMBERS BY 2 AND THEIR HOUSE NUMBERS BY 14 THAT IS WHAT THEY WILL PASS!! Please, observe the real 'lay of the land' on the political battlefield. We are out on the right flank, and the battle is joined at the center. Breaking away will cause conservatives to lose power rapidly and leave America run by Socialists... This is not hard to imagine. Gore nearly was president, and a 3% shift in polls would make the whole Federal government fall into a liberal Democrat 100% power. It's closer and more dangerous than you think.

Bush is now about ready to sign, sans protest, an omnibus bill that's $500B in the red. Given the war that is currently on and the expenses associated with that, given the cut in reveneues from first the recession and then the tax cuts which jump started the economy but which depress revenues for a while, I dont find the deficit to be the biggest issue. The biggest issue is the trend in spending in the long term... you say later:

Two points: 1) Discretionary spending will be up considerly more than 1% You dont know that - Bush has proposed effectively FREEZING discretionary spending. IF we have a conservative majority Congress in 2005 we can easily hold that line. With Demcorats in charge, who knows. 2) Bush's own words of assurance says nothing about even attempting to control non-discretionary spending. And yet you miss out on a BIG POINT - Bush has actually openned the debate on reforming Social Security - he is proposing setting aside SocSec taxes to worker-owened accounts. They call it "non-discretionary" precisely because the only way to change the cost trajectory is to change laws. Bush is doing the right and IMHO courageous thing of openning that debate.

As with the other debates, it will only go our way if we have a Conservative majority in Congress... Conservative - not "republican" with a bunch of McCain, Spectre, Chuck Hegel, Snowe type Republicans... but Conservatives - like Santorum, Lott, George Allen, Sununu, DeLay, Tancredo, Mike Pence, Pat Toomey, Saxby Chambliss, Pete Session, Sen Sessions, Charles Norwood, Ron Paul, Joe Barton, Sam Johnson, Chris Cox, Mitch McConnell, etc. As you clearly know, the "R" label doesnt guarantee being a conservative - but anyone in Congress without an "R" is surely NOT Conservative.

For the point you make - that the 3R led government has been in control for two years ... It has been frustrating to see that things I care about - Like ANWR - dont get passed, and things that are too moderate/liberal do. But in all areas you need to look carefully. In the Medicare drug bill for example, The Senate had a majority - 49 Democrats and a few Republicans who had ALREADY passed a more expensive, Liberal, a govt-controlling drug prescription benifit bill. Had we had a Gore President and a few more Democrats, the idea of medical savings accounts and trying medicare choice programs would be a pipe dream. So are we better off without prescription drug plan at all??? Conservatives forget unconvenient facts: The majority of elected officials in Congress, Democrat and Republican - and the President - were on record in favor of a drug benefit. The real debate was (a) getting a consensus and (b) finding out where the consensus was. ... In the end, the bill was disappointing in many respects but not as expensive as it otherwise would have been had conservative lawmakers like DeLay not been at the table at all.

1,047 posted on 01/31/2004 10:54:37 AM PST by WOSG (I don't want the GOP to become a circular firing squad and the Socialist Democrats a majority.)
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To: Indy Pendance; Jim Robinson
"It's not about sending messages."

I'm sorry, but it is very much about sending messages...the Right must convey to Dubyuh and his inner circle that this outta control spending and growing of the Federal Leviathan is entirely unacceptable and must be reversed immediately.

"It's about changing the way America thinks. For too long we've had liberal control."

True enuff, but Dubyuh's spending spree has undermined the Right's high ground by blurring the distinction between Republicans and DemonRATS with regards to government spending. Unless Dubyuh changes his big-spending ways, the damage to the GOP's reputation for fiscal discipline may be irreparable, and the liberals will have won due to a virtual foreit by the right!!

"Think logically, we can't win anything if we keep fighting amongst ourselves. Imagine the force we can have if we fought like the commies or socialists do to take over the democrat party. Imagine a force if conservatives used the republican party to advance conservative causes."

I couldn't agree more, but Dubyuh's proven to be more of an obstacle to rightward progress than a help when it comes to spending. The GOP ain't worth diddley if it insists upon outspending the Clinton/RAT partnership of '93-'94!! We are the Party of Reagan, who knew in his heart that BIG GUV'MENT IS THE PROBLEM!! Dubyuh needs to embrace this principle, or else the GOP is destined to splinter!!

"Using a third party won't get us jack. Using an established network will get the desired results much faster. You all are missing an opportunity. Use the infrastructure already established, instead of creating a new one. Open your eyes, use the available resources. We have a much better chance than creating something from scratch."

This is my preferred route as well, but as I noted before, a big-spending Bush will make said progress impossible. Dubyuh still has the power to make the necessary changes in philosophy during the upcoming campaign. He needs to get over this ridiculous Amnesty fer Illegals and enforce the laws that protect our borders from invasion. Bush needs to get over this idea that he can win over the Leftists with huge spending increases on such disparate non-Federal priorities as the National Endowment for the Arts, Education spending, and paid "volunteerism." Bush needs to rediscover the wisdom of Thomas Jefferson's words, "Government is best that governs least!!" Once he does that, the Right will flock to his side and the GOP will have regained its status as the Party of Principle...and Bush and the GOP will win next November in an '84-style landslide. If Dubyuh continues on his present path, he may just end up blowing this election, and nobody in their right mind wants that!!

JimRob: "By telegram, letter, email or phone. Personal visit to his office would be even better. Also, work the primaries. Keep moving the best and the brightest of the young conservative blood up through the local farm teams. Get involved."

I've done that and will continue to do so, sir, but it all-too-often appears to be falling upon deaf ears. Somebody high upon Dubyuh's food chain has fallen in love with this Triangulation strategy and doesn't seem to want to let it go!! A valid threat of the Right abandoning the GOP reelection campaign may be the only thing that wakes these folks up...here's hoping the message gets through on time!!

FReegards...MUD

1,048 posted on 01/31/2004 10:58:17 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: I got the rope
Diane Sykes - 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.

Very conservative jurist from the State of Wisconsin (similar to Rhenquist, who was born and raised in Milwaukee before heading out west for his schooling and to practice). Outranks that Walton guy.

Then there's that recess appointment of Pickering GWB also deserves credit for.

1,049 posted on 01/31/2004 10:59:21 AM PST by Kryptonite
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To: George W. Bush
"In fifteen years, I've never seen such apathy and discouragement from conservatives. I thought it was just me."

IMHO, this is a direct result of Dubyuh's swerve to the Left on spending...it took some 50+ years to get a GOP POTUS with a GOP Congress, and then when we finally achieve this monumental accomplishment, conservatives feel like they've been sold down the river, then told by Dubyuh supporters, "Screw you, you've got no choice but to support Dubyuh!!" Well, folks find it hard to get excited about supporting such nonsense...but we're willing to get re-excited if Dubyuh starts leading like a Conservative on domestic spending issues, but he's gotta make the first move!!

FReegards...MUD

1,050 posted on 01/31/2004 11:08:24 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: sauropod
read later
1,051 posted on 01/31/2004 11:10:27 AM PST by sauropod (Better to have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!)
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To: WOSG
You make a lot of good points, I pretty much agree.

I need to go, so I'll just say: One motive for being a squeaky wheel this political season is for the benefit of those in authority, as well as their staffs, that monitor what's being debated here. Passive feedback to the politicians, so to speak.

Ditto for the media and the undicided lurkers studying the issues. "The natives [the voting base] are restless."
1,052 posted on 01/31/2004 11:21:51 AM PST by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo President 2004!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Will Bush keep asking my 80+ year-old mother to take her shoes off when she get on an airplane? Yes.

Will some Dem ask my mother to take her shoes off when she gets on an airplane? Maybe not. The Dems don't seem to feel the same need to be politically correct as the Republicans do.


Will Bush keep talking about a "Religion of Peace"? Yes, it's unlikely he will stop now absent some multiple nuclear strike on US cities.

Will some Dem also use the phrase "Religion of Peace"? Not if he wants to win an election in the United States of America.

ML/NJ

1,053 posted on 01/31/2004 11:26:33 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Jim Robinson
BTTT!!!!!
1,054 posted on 01/31/2004 11:33:00 AM PST by b4its2late (If you ain't makin' waves, you ain't kickin' hard enough!)
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To: NittanyLion
We have a "conservative" Congress and pressure to cut the deficit right now, and it's yielded no reduced spending. See my previous post. We have NOT had a Conservative Congress - the moderate RINOs hold the swing votes in the Senate and conservatives are a distinct MINORITY there.

What will change between 01/31/04 and 01/31/05 that will produce this benefit?

The Conservative Utopia Scenario: Bush wins and we we get 10 more House members and 6 more Senate members that are conservative Republicans - this is possible because of the Texas redistricting and the open senate seats in the south; but it will only happen if we have a great election season. This gain of 10 republicans in the House and 5 or more in the senate is enough to forge a Conservative majority consensus in Congress. Congress then moves to Bush's right flank - passing conservative immigration bills, conservative bills to Reform Social Security and add choice in Government programs, and freezing Government spending, and to defund the Left. The conservative Congress makes the tax cuts permanent and looks at tax simplification and further reduction. Long-term spending trends are cut back so the deficit is erase by the end of the decade. Conservative Justices are appointed

1,055 posted on 01/31/2004 11:48:57 AM PST by WOSG (I don't want the GOP to become a circular firing squad and the Socialist Democrats a majority.)
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To: Mudboy Slim
You say: "I couldn't agree more, but Dubyuh's proven to be more of an obstacle to rightward progress than a help when it comes to spending."

Ah, but the MESSAGE IS GETTING TO THE PRESIDENT.

Novak: "Conservatives were especially angered by Bush's declaration in his State of the Union address that discretionary federal spending would rise at an annual rate of 4 percent. After the adverse reaction to that, the White House sent word to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) to hold the increase to 1 percent, a figure that will be reflected in the new budget being released this week."

You: "Unless Dubyuh changes his big-spending ways, the damage to the GOP's reputation for fiscal discipline may be irreparable, and the liberals will have won due to a virtual foreit by the right!!"

The people who worry about this are conservatives ... The Demcorats are critical that Bush is not SPENDING ENOUGH! Democrats may use this issue, but only as a way to garner support for higher taxes and demoralize conservatives:

http://www.ntu.org/main/press_issuebriefs.php?PressID=306&org_name=NTUF
1,056 posted on 01/31/2004 11:54:48 AM PST by WOSG (I don't want the GOP to become a circular firing squad and the Socialist Democrats a majority.)
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To: Jim Robinson
bttt
1,057 posted on 01/31/2004 11:58:49 AM PST by ezo4
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To: WOSG
"...the MESSAGE IS GETTING TO THE PRESIDENT.

Novak: "Conservatives were especially angered by Bush's declaration in his State of the Union address that discretionary federal spending would rise at an annual rate of 4 percent. After the adverse reaction to that, the White House sent word to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) to hold the increase to 1 percent, a figure that will be reflected in the new budget being released this week."

That's good, now we just need to get the Administration to be a little more discerning regarding the so-called non-discretionary spending items. For example, his proposed Amnesty program is filled with huge spending initiatives to be paid to non-citizens, but falls under "non-discretionary." And I've gotta believe that we could achieve Homeland Security without breaking the bank as well. Lord knows that in a $2.3 Trillion budget, there's loads and loads of fat to be trimmed, and we oughtta be making said trimming more of a priority!!

You: "Unless Dubyuh changes his big-spending ways, the damage to the GOP's reputation for fiscal discipline may be irreparable, and the liberals will have won due to a virtual foreit by the right!!"

"The people who worry about this are conservatives ... The Democrats are critical that Bush is not SPENDING ENOUGH! Democrats may use this issue, but only as a way to garner support for higher taxes and demoralize conservatives:"

I've seen more and more of the RAT candidates fer POTUS claiming to be fiscal conservatives (i.e. Dean, Kerry, Clark), and I ain't about to fall fer it. Still, by outspending Clinton and the DemonRAT-controlled Congress of '93-'94, Dubyuh's let down his guard and muddied the electoral waters enuff where I can see some folks being fooled. This election cycle must make clear to the voters that the GOP is the Party of Fiscal Discipline, and it needs to start NOW!!

FReegards...MUD

1,058 posted on 01/31/2004 12:12:58 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
This needs to be posted at least once a week.
1,059 posted on 01/31/2004 12:17:15 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: citizen; Southack; Jim Robinson
"One motive for being a squeaky wheel this political season is for the benefit of those in authority, as well as their staffs, that monitor what's being debated here. Passive feedback to the politicians, so to speak. "

No problem with that. I did the same. I get letters asking for money from RNC and NSRC. This month I sent letters back not with money but telling them they need to clean up their act on spending and on immigration if they want my money.

Check the latest Novak column - they are listening! Its why Bush is proposing 0.5% discretionary spending increase instead of 4%. It was exactly the point I've made in communications to them!

That being said, it is dumb for the "conservative" disgruntled ones to spout off about not voting for Bush as some kind of payback; a real conservative knows the limits of the possible, especially in politics. One is that kn President will be 100% what we want. There is 100% probability that the President next January will be a Republican or Democrat -- 99% probablity the choices will be Bush v Kerry IMHO. That's the real choice - a real conservative has the courage to see that real choice and make a reasoned calculation. Utopia wont come in 2005 no matter who wins, and America will survive no matter how bad we select a President (heck we survived Jimmy Carter). But the choice matters - Bush or Kerry will mean a BIG DIFFERENCE to the country.

I have a problem with energy-sapping dissention that fractures the conservative cause by whining about how the Republicans have so compromised or are so bad they are not worth it. Hogwash - go look up Southhack's list of accomplishments by Bush - MANY CONSERVATIVE VICTORIES on many fronts - pro-life, national security, standing up to Kyoto/UN/ICC, tax reductions, regulation reform, etc. Remember, its not that 100% of Republicans are Conservative, or that the party is 100% conesrvative, but in Congress 100% OF CONSERVATIVES ARE REPUBLICAN.

That means the Republican Party is the ONLY effective vehicle for political participation at this time. You could try an ineffective and fracturing 3rd party route. The road to be irrelevent. Or you could try to salvage the Democrats - a hopeless task, imho. They are a Socialist one-world-dominated party. Jim Robinson has it pegged right - we need to DEFEAT THE DEMOCRAT PARTY AS A FORCE IN POLITICS if we want conservative causes to win.

The path is clear for conservatives, and quite simple:
1. Make the Republican Party the majority party in America.
2. Make the Republican Party a principled, conservative party.

Note that both #1 and #2 are needed. Each by itself is not enough.

We are wasting energy if we do things that hurt this path to saving America.

1,060 posted on 01/31/2004 12:18:50 PM PST by WOSG (I don't want the GOP to become a circular firing squad and the Socialist Democrats a majority.)
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