Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Kiss the F-16s Goodbye: Pakistani article on why they should not accept F-16s (even IF offered)
Daily Times (Pakistan) ^ | Jan 30, 2004 | Ahmad Faruqui

Posted on 01/29/2004 7:08:07 PM PST by spetznaz

Like a bad penny, the F-16 issue has turned up at every summit meeting between Pakistan and the US for the past decade. Life would become a lot simpler for both countries if the General turned toward a more reliable supplier who wants Pakistan’s business

To no one’s surprise, the US turned down General Musharraf’s request for the F-16s. The precise number of aircraft that were requested for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is not known, but it is believed to have been between 28 and 71. There were rumours that the Pentagon had already committed to supplying the F-16s prior to Musharraf’s arrival in the US. It was left to President Bush to squash these rumours. At Camp David, he acknowledged that Musharraf was brave enough to ask for the aircraft.

Pakistan’s case for acquiring the F-16 is self-evident. The Pakistan Air Force (PAF), which had a qualitative edge over its Indian counterpart for decades, has fallen woefully behind. If the conventional imbalance of power between Pakistan and India erodes any further, it will raise the risk of nuclear war.

The PAF operates 19 combat squadrons, comprised of some 350 aircraft. The fixed-wing aircraft include aging Mirage III-E and V variants of French origin, several of which have served in the Australian Air Force; Chinese variants of Soviet MiG-19 and MiG-21 aircraft, retrofitted with western avionics and fire control systems; and about 25 F-16s delivered in the 1980s.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) operates 42 combat squadrons, comprised of some 800 aircraft. The IAF inventory bristles with state-of-the art hardware, including Russian MiG-29s (equivalent to F-16s) and SU-30s (equivalent to F-15s), French Mirage 2000s and the Anglo-French Jaguar strike aircraft. A key strength of the IAF is its airlift capability, comprised of 12 fixed-wing aircraft squadrons and 11 helicopter squadrons. India plans to acquire about a 100 British Hawk jet trainers, filling a major gap in its inventory. The Indian Navy also operates 37 fixed-wing combat aircraft and 72 helicopter gunships.

India has equipped nearly two-thirds of its armed forces with Russian hardware. In late 2000, Russia clinched a $3.3 billion deal granting India a license to produce 140 Su-30MKI jet fighters. It is also upgrading the Indian fleet of MiG-21s, with Israeli assistance. In addition, Israel is providing laser-guided bombs, unmanned aerial vehicles and two Elta Green Pine long-range radar systems, a component of the Arrow Ballistic Missile Defence System. India also plans to purchase the S-300V air defence complex from Russia and lease four Tu-22M3 backfire bombers capable of carrying nuclear warheads. Moscow has offered the aircraft carrier, Admiral Gorshkov, with a full complement of carrier-based MiG-29s to India for $500 million.

Most ominously, the US has cleared the sale of the Israeli Phalcon AWACS to India. Reports indicate that three such systems mounted on Russian IL 76 platforms are planned for induction into the IAF. This will represent a quantum leap forward in India’s ability to project power. The Phalcon system is judged to be vastly superior to the Russian Beriev A-50 platform that was previously leased to and operated by the IAF.

The advantage of the IAF over the PAF has increased manifold over the past two decades. This poses a serious threat to Pakistan’s national security, since the IAF is now in a position to impose local and strategic air supremacy within days of the outbreak of hostilities. The experience of the Six Day War in 1967, the Gulf War in 1991 and the recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq demonstrates the pivotal role of air power in modern warfare. The only wars where air power has not been successful are protracted wars in which the weaker side uses guerrilla tactics, such as the wars fought in Vietnam and in Afghanistan against the Soviets.

To bridge the gap with the IAF, the PAF needs 100 frontline fighters. Pakistan should be wary of accepting F-16s from the US, even if they are offered. The original batch of 40 F-16s was designed for use against the Soviets during the Afghan war. Had they been used in a war with India, the US would almost certainly have cut off the supply of spares to Pakistan, like it had done during the September 1965 war. At that time, the mainstay of the PAF was the F-86 Sabre jet. Pakistan had received 120 of these versatile fighters as part of the Military Assistance Program during the 1950s. However, as subsequent documents have revealed, the US never intended Pakistan to use them against India. They were deployed to contain the communist threat from the Soviet Union and China. Once hostilities commenced with India, the US imposed an arms embargo on Pakistan. This had little effect on India, but effectively crippled Pakistan’s ability to carry on with the war.

To avoid an encore performance by the Americans in a future conflict with India, it would be best for Pakistan to seek munitions from another source. What are the options?

China is not an option, since it depends on Russia for the SU-30 strike fighter to counter Taiwan’s F-16s. Domestic production by Pakistan of an aircraft based on Chinese technology is not an economically viable solution. Russia makes a variety of aircraft that would be of interest to Pakistan, but it is unlikely to jeopardise its long-standing ties with India.

Sweden’s Saab JAS-39 Gripen fighter is an attractive option, and is worth pursuing. A more attractive option is France, with whom Pakistan has a long history of military cooperation dating back to the late 1960s. France has provided Mirage III-Es and Vs to Pakistan, Crotale surface-to-air missile batteries and Daphne and Agosta submarines. It has also granted Pakistan a license for the manufacture and export of the missile-capable Agostas.

The French make a variety of exciting fighter aircraft, including the Mirage 2000-5 and the Rafale. Either of these would make an excellent substitute for the F-16s that are unlikely to show up and will be a liability even if they did.

Like a bad penny, the F-16 issue has turned up at every summit meeting between Pakistan and the US for the past decade. After being denied the aircraft at Camp David, President Musharraf said that Pakistan would get them eventually from the US. Life would become a lot simpler for both countries if the General simply kissed the F-16s goodbye, and turned toward a more reliable supplier who wants Pakistan’s business.

Dr Ahmad Faruqui is an economist and author of “Rethinking the National Security of Pakistan”. He can be reached at faruqui@pacbell.net


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: f16; india; pakistan; southasia; strategy; war
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-35 next last
Okaaaaay! Quick points. One, this article should note that the IF factor is pretty large. As in will the US offer the Pakistanis the remaining F-16s they paid for? Probably not (and in my opinion it should be not).

Two, even if they were offered the planes they would not amount to much. F-16As that the Pakistanis would be getting would be no match for a mixture of Israeli-made Phalcon 'Awacs' radar platforms and Russian-bought Su-30MKIs. And once you add the S-300 platforms India has then any thing that takes off from Pakistan is picked up by the Phalcon and Elta-Green radar systems and would be promptly brought down. Pakistan has no analogue for such systems.

Now, the article does have some points. IF I WAS A PAKISTANI (note the emphasis) I would prefer to have a source that would not potentially stick an embargo up my @$$! In this respect France would be perfect! Those guys will sell anything for ca$h! The US would not stand up to any Pakistani B.S, and virtually every other country that sells military hardware tends to stay away from Pakistan since selling to those fellas means not selling to India (and India is a much bigger market). Thus Pakis are left with China and France.

Anyways ...whatcha guys think?

1 posted on 01/29/2004 7:08:08 PM PST by spetznaz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Poohbah; struwwelpeter; Jeff Head; archy; VaBthang4
Pakistan ping.
2 posted on 01/29/2004 7:09:17 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
Russia sells to China and India. Why wouldn't they sell to Pakistan.
Their are "indigenous" Chinese designs like the J/F-10 and Super F-7.
Of course, Pakistan would lose any bilateral engagement with India.
3 posted on 01/29/2004 7:17:26 PM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rmlew
Because India has threatened not to buy any weapons from countries that sell to Pakistan. Now, a better example, in your case, would be France, since the French have sold planes (the Mirage 2000) to India and at the same time sold submarines (the Agosta, even with the MESMA system) to Pakistan. The Indians didn't like it, but nothing seemed to have happened from it (although the Indians did stop purchasing the M-2000).

Now, Russia depends a whole lot on sales to India for funds. It would not do anything to risk that. A good example on this would be how Germany wanted to sell some D/E subs to Taiwan, but after China made some major noise declined to do so.

4 posted on 01/29/2004 7:23:13 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
Why wouldn't china sell J-10's or F-7's?
5 posted on 01/29/2004 7:25:22 PM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
Rafale is highly competitive and could top the 29 in agility, turn rate, and acceleration and is a match for climb rate. 29 has a sprint advantage and longer legs but that is negligible factor for Pakistan.

Avionics?..beats the Ruskies..
6 posted on 01/29/2004 7:29:36 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
Hmm...

If Pakistan can make their own nuclear device, couldn't they make their own fighter jets?

7 posted on 01/29/2004 7:30:52 PM PST by Frohickey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
I don't know. It seems as though we need to stay on both sides of this 'conflict' for different reasons. We need to have Pak clean out its' border with Afghanistan, as well as continue to bring them towards being a truly democratic nation.

We need to keep India as a friend as a balance to China in the region, plus they are a huge market.

In reality, it's too bad that the two nations were formed to start with, rather than leaving it as one. Although a single nation would've had immense difficulties in dealing with the religious issues, it would've been more stable than the two nation system seen today.
8 posted on 01/29/2004 7:30:53 PM PST by 11B3 (Recycle the liberal masses into raw materials.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
Anyways ...whatcha guys think?

Well let's look at the fundamentals:

The Indian Air Force (IAF) operates 42 combat squadrons, comprised of some 800 aircraft.
The PAF operates 19 combat squadrons, comprised of some 350 aircraft.

I can't figure out why either of these nations are squandering their resources on so many planes.
So why don't we just keep our noses out of their squabble and let them duke it out on their own if that's what they want to do?

9 posted on 01/29/2004 7:33:34 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
Oi....Pakistan should never get them. I trust them about as much as I do the Saudis.

BTW: What's up Bro? :o)
10 posted on 01/29/2004 7:36:53 PM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: tcuoohjohn
Rafale: Brutally expensive to own and operate.
11 posted on 01/29/2004 7:41:12 PM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green; 11B3
Yeah but if India were to attack, then the Muslim world would be stirred up against them...makes our job easier as Islam is then burning the candle at both ends [two front war].

Just thinking out loud.
12 posted on 01/29/2004 7:44:46 PM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz; Poohbah; struwwelpeter; Jeff Head; archy; VaBthang4; Atlantic Friend; yonif; Yehuda; ...
Pakistan sent pilots to fly against Israel in either one or both of the 1967 and 1973 wars to obliterate her from the planet.
13 posted on 01/29/2004 7:53:32 PM PST by risk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 11B3
And you know what is really weird ......India has the 2nd largest Muslim population after Indonesia!!!!!!!!! It has more muslims than Pakistan, than Saudi Arabia, than etc etc etc. India's president is Muslim, its PM is Hindu, and its minister of Defence is Christian!

Interesting

14 posted on 01/29/2004 7:57:05 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: VaBthang4
I'm fine ......i was actually wondering what happened to you. Actually i was kinda worried you were activated and sent to Iraq or something (i know you were in the corp, but i am unsure what your active status currently is). Otherwise i am cool .....just working and pursuing my masters.

And in case you are wondering ....i am NOT about to post pictures of some 'super-duper hyper-space laser-armed bazooka-ardorned stealth RUSSIAN fighter-jet from the fourth dimension.' LOL

Hope you are doing fine ....

15 posted on 01/29/2004 8:01:16 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
HAHAHA....I was looking for the pictures. :o)

No, they dont want me over there...though I wouldnt mind.
16 posted on 01/29/2004 8:12:59 PM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: VaBthang4
yeah...I conveniently neglected to mention the cost thingy didn't I?

Good tools cost good money.
17 posted on 01/29/2004 8:17:49 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
If I were Pakistan, I would move on and deal with Russia or France, who as you say will sell anything for cash (except to Israel).
18 posted on 01/29/2004 8:24:21 PM PST by Spandau
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 11B3
We need to keep India as a friend as a balance to China in the region, plus they are a huge market.

Besides which, if India were invaded, every credit card number and bank account record in America would fall into the invaders' hands.

19 posted on 01/29/2004 8:27:51 PM PST by BlazingArizona
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Spandau
The thing is the Russians and the Israelis are dealing with India. They will not help the Pakistanis, and for good reason. After all Russia needs a strong India to act as a buffer to China (which is the same reason that the US is starting to cement close relations with India), and the Israelis need a strong nation within close proximity to it.

Pakistan only has France as its source for 'western' arms (and China to meet the rest).

20 posted on 01/29/2004 8:29:55 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-35 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson