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Bush's service record criticized (Maxy Cleland ALERT )
boston.com ^ | 01/31/2004 | Patrick Healy

Posted on 01/31/2004 6:41:42 PM PST by KQQL

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:11:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Presidential candidate John F. Kerry yesterday took aim at Republicans for questioning Democrats' patriotism, and several fellow military veterans blasted President Bush as a failed commander in chief who once dodged military service and suffers from never having learned the lessons of war.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2004; cleland; deserter; endorsement; kerry; veterans
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1 posted on 01/31/2004 6:41:43 PM PST by KQQL
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To: Pubbie; Torie; ambrose
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2 posted on 01/31/2004 6:46:19 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: KQQL
What bullsh*t. If you're in the Guard you may be called up at anytime.
3 posted on 01/31/2004 6:48:58 PM PST by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: KQQL
I feel like I am in a time warp. Will the Dems ever stop reliving the 60s?

Why impugn Bush's record now after a masterful demonstration of prowess as CinC?

4 posted on 01/31/2004 6:49:58 PM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: KQQL
I believe Cleland sits on the 9/11 committee. He should be removed at once.
5 posted on 01/31/2004 6:51:34 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: OldFriend
MAXY loathes W
6 posted on 01/31/2004 6:54:15 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: annyokie
"If you're in the Guard you may be called up at anytime.".. you are exactly right. A very good friend, a physician, who was in the reserves had only a month or two left, his wife was pregnant ready to deliver.. he was sent to Desert Storm. Also, I have an employee whose in the Guard and she was called. Needless to say, I wasn't very happy about losing her .. she was a great employee..There is no notice.. when you get called it's your duty.
7 posted on 01/31/2004 6:54:22 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: KQQL
This is kind of interesting because it's been Kerry's m.o. to accuse his opponents of being unpatriotic and un-American and now he's trying to turn the tables.
8 posted on 01/31/2004 6:55:25 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: OldFriend
If this committee has been working for some time then Max is trying to change the subject. If the president could be implicated regarding 9/11 based on committee findings, he would be beating the drum on that.
9 posted on 01/31/2004 6:59:14 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: KQQL
The story I got re: Maxey, wounds was that his unit had returned to base after a mission, cracked open the Jim Beam to celebrate, and started playing "catch" with a hand grenade. Seems Maxey caught it by the pin...

I've heard this from a couple of sources - can anyone confirm it?

10 posted on 01/31/2004 6:59:26 PM PST by Morgan's Raider
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To: CasearianDaoist
"We're in trouble. I've seen it all, and I thought we were in trouble one time there, when they were in the streets and everything else in the '60s, but we're in worse trouble -- because they're not in the streets," said Hollings, a World War II veteran. "They're not in the streets."

Ole Fritz is losing it.

No Fritz,"They're not in the streets" they are in control of your party.
11 posted on 01/31/2004 7:03:12 PM PST by tet68
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To: Morgan's Raider
I can't confirm it, but that is basically the story I heard.
12 posted on 01/31/2004 7:03:26 PM PST by mystery-ak (*terrorism has been exaggerated*....Kerry....We must defeat him, our lives depend on it.)
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To: KQQL

13 posted on 01/31/2004 7:04:15 PM PST by ChadGore (Bush 2004 HE'S EARNED IT)
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To: CasearianDaoist
Why impugn Bush's record now after a masterful demonstration of prowess as CinC?

To try to undermine it, of course. This is such a groin-kick, I can't believe it. These people have no shame. None.

14 posted on 01/31/2004 7:05:39 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Four hours is too long for a Democrat to sit in the Oval Office, let alone four years. Vote W '04)
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To: KQQL
This ignores the real time reality that Bush already if the greatest military leader of my lifetime, having, from Kabul to Baghdad, defeated 2 of our declared enemies in 18 months, with a casualty rate of less than one hundreth of one percent during those 18 months.

From a military commander and chief point of view, Bush does not have a single military critic.

15 posted on 01/31/2004 7:08:52 PM PST by ChadGore (Bush 2004 HE'S EARNED IT)
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To: Chi-townChief
The Dems recently have restarted these accusations that Cleland was accused of being unpatriotic or some such. It's a Carville talking point these days and a typical Dem tactic: Reach into the past and make an obscure (GA's only one state of 50) accusation. Responding is difficult, because even if the facts can be recalled, responding to the accusation is just distracting.

But then history gets changed in the telling.

Personally, my perception of it is Cleland always cries "You can't criticize me, I was injured."

16 posted on 01/31/2004 7:13:20 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: KQQL
Sorry MARXIE -- Check with the NYTIMES the favorite paper for you lefties -- They did an investigation of GW's service and found that he met his requirements, nothing stellar, but honorable service.
17 posted on 01/31/2004 7:13:48 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Morgan's Raider
The true story:

Cleland was hopping into a chopper when he noticed that one of his grenades had fallen onto the ground. Instead of kicking it away, he reached down to pick it up, and it blew his arm off and one of his legs, damaging the other leg so badly that it had to be removed later.

18 posted on 01/31/2004 7:14:09 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: ChadGore
This kills me, the same media that virtually made little or no mention of the service of GHWB and Dole are screaming to the top of their lungs about how military service does matter. If it wasnt obvious about their bias then, it is very clear now.
19 posted on 01/31/2004 7:15:15 PM PST by afropick (been off the dem plantation since 1999 and havent looked back!!!!)
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To: Pukin Dog
OK, thanks for the clarification. You know how these internet rumors travel (although one of my sources works for the V.A.)
20 posted on 01/31/2004 7:21:37 PM PST by Morgan's Raider
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To: KQQL
Cleland should go hop in a lake.

It's becasue of RAT imcompetent symapthizers like him that we are fighting in a war.
21 posted on 01/31/2004 7:23:24 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
What really gets me is that they have thrown to the winds the impact tactics like this have on the strategic thinking of our mortal enemies. Do not tell me that they are not aware of this, they just do not care. Let me say that again: They do not care.

How decadent we have become. You would think that we would have a rational discussion about national security, not a Jr. High School prep rally.

22 posted on 01/31/2004 7:24:56 PM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: Zipporah
Bush was grounded for missing his medical. Bush did not report as ordered.
Your friend did answer the call to duty. Bush did not.
Do a web search of the Bush record, its not pretty.
He scored 25% on his entry test, yet was passed over 500 others waiting for a flying slot.
23 posted on 01/31/2004 7:25:04 PM PST by earplug
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To: KQQL
*yawn* Bush's service record was well known in 2000 and it didn't seem help 'Nam vet Albore any. The Rats think they can get some traction with this now by convincing the American voters that in the aftermath of 9/11 we need someone with combat experience. Whatever. Bush has been fighting with success for three years now. When we got both houses of Congress the message was clear; the majority of Americans don't trust the Rats with our national security. I hope Lurch starts reminding everyone he's a decorated veteran every five minutes (like he was a few months ago), it worked so well for McCain....
24 posted on 01/31/2004 7:25:31 PM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: KQQL
Where were these rumpswabs when the real and documented draft dodger Clinton was running for president. It's really funny they didn't speak up in protest at that time. With Clinton's notorious record of draft dodging, I would be embarassed if I were a Democrat to even bring up the subject.
25 posted on 01/31/2004 7:27:01 PM PST by shortstop ( Win One For the Gipper)
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To: Pukin Dog
Um, how does a pin come out of a grenade? No personal experience, but I thought it took 4lbs of force to remove the pin.
26 posted on 01/31/2004 7:27:23 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: ChadGore
Defeat? Show us the surrender documents! Show me the victorious soldiers returning home.
What we have is, The Army getting a emergency manpower fill of 38K.
I have talked to many mid level E-5-E6 soldiers that are getting out.
Defeating means victory. Not a media plastic turkey.
27 posted on 01/31/2004 7:29:26 PM PST by earplug
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28 posted on 01/31/2004 7:32:37 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: CasearianDaoist
What really gets me is that they have thrown to the winds the impact tactics like this have on the strategic thinking of our mortal enemies. Do not tell me that they are not aware of this, they just do not care. Let me say that again: They do not care.

Absolutely agree with you on this - which is why not a single one of these selfish, politically-driven jerks who would spew this stuff is fit for public office, let alone the presidency. (And by the way, Clark should have had his ass kicked for not correcting Michael Moore when he called the POTUS a "deserter".)

29 posted on 01/31/2004 7:33:00 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Four hours is too long for a Democrat to sit in the Oval Office, let alone four years. Vote W '04)
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To: KQQL
Cleland has lost all credibility here in Georgia. He was not re-elected due to the fact that all he ever did was spew the Demo. party line during his tenure. I am sure he is hoping to resurrect some kind of political life tailing along behind Longface. Just one more reason, to keep away far, far away from WH!!
30 posted on 01/31/2004 7:38:17 PM PST by whadizit
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To: KQQL
Kerry came back protested and tossed his medals.

Not much respect.

31 posted on 01/31/2004 7:41:16 PM PST by Kay Soze ("If you act like a liberal to get Democrat votes, you can't do something conservative when you win")
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To: KQQL

If this is what they have for marketing brains in that party, they are hosed. You cannot put electric heaters in the seats of a Geo Metro and pitch it to Mercedes owners as a better luxury car. People are not that stupid. If you're Geo Metro, admit it. Tell people you have a cheap car that gets high gas mileage. There are people who want that.

People who want national defense do not want a Democrat, and you cannot sell them one. Not even one with electric heaters in the seats.


32 posted on 01/31/2004 7:42:54 PM PST by Nick Danger ( With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.)
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To: Kay Soze
Kerry came back protested and tossed his medals.

The sleaze didn't even have the integrity to toss his OWN medals. He tossed someone else's. His are apparently hanging on his office wall in D. C.

33 posted on 01/31/2004 7:44:05 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: KQQL
I wonder what Clelend and the rest of the Rats were saying about that most famous draft dodger, spit on the American flag, and now former President Bill Clinton?
34 posted on 01/31/2004 7:45:33 PM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: whadizit
Did we just go through 8 years of being told that miltary service didn't matter. Personal character didn't matter. It seems to me that the same people that blindly protected Clinton on similar charge are the ones that want to crush Bush for a similar theme. The dems change their minds like a bipolar on speed. If we could just wrap them in wire and make them stand near a magnet. We could end our energy dependance. Kerry alone could power NYC for a year with his flip flopping..
35 posted on 01/31/2004 7:48:46 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Pukin Dog
thanks Dog, I thought I was the only one that knew that and why, when they call Cleland a hero who lost 3 limbs in Viet Nam, doesn't anyone mention he was playing Curly (stooges) and blew his own limbs off. When it is not mentioned everyone assumes it was in heavy combat or something.

I thank Max for fighting in Viet Nam but quit using the missing limbs for a sympathy vote.

36 posted on 01/31/2004 7:48:56 PM PST by fish hawk
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Monsieur Jean Kerry

Measure Number: H.R. 3396 (Defense of Marriage Act)
Kerry (D-MA), Nay

"I think there has been an exaggeration," Mr. Kerry said when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of terrorism.
SC Dem Debate 01/29/04

U.S. Sen. John F. Kerry yesterday said Pope John Paul II ``crossed the line'' by instructing pols to block legalization of gay marriage.
Boston Herald 08/02/03


37 posted on 01/31/2004 7:49:01 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: KQQL
While Bush may have gotten a break in the Guard, at least he didn't turn traitor when he got home, toss some medals away, and hurt morale overseas while our troops were still there.

As far as I'm concerned, what BILL KLINTON did was less dishonorable than what John Kerry did.

Gen. George S. Patton III, the flamboyant field commander who once said he "loved to see the arms and legs flying" in battle, came to Boston to blast Kerry for "probably" causing "some of my guys to get killed" by his dissidence. "There's no soap ever been invented that can wash that blood off his hands."

38 posted on 01/31/2004 7:49:59 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("There's no soap ever been invented that can wash that blood off his hands." - Gen. Patton on Kerry.)
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To: Calvin Locke
Max Cleland weighs more than 4 pounds.
39 posted on 01/31/2004 7:50:58 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: KQQL
"We've learned how to play sports together, we've learned how to go to school together, [but] we still have to do some work at living together," Kerry said.

I'm sure Kerry has lived with a lot of blacks over in his part of Boston.....

40 posted on 01/31/2004 7:51:32 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("There's no soap ever been invented that can wash that blood off his hands." - Gen. Patton on Kerry.)
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To: AmishDude
"You can't criticize me, I was injured."

And my response would be "because you were a dumbass."

41 posted on 01/31/2004 7:53:09 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("There's no soap ever been invented that can wash that blood off his hands." - Gen. Patton on Kerry.)
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To: whadizit
Cleland has lost all credibility here in Georgia. He was not re-elected due to the fact that all he ever did was spew the Demo. party line during his tenure

Yep....when it became well known that he voted against the Boy Scouts, his goose was cooked here.

42 posted on 01/31/2004 7:55:18 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Better get use to it. This were Kerry and the Dems are going to his Bush; his service record. The Dems have a vet and they're going to play it for all it's worth.
43 posted on 01/31/2004 7:56:31 PM PST by GigaDittos (Bumper sticker: "Vote Democrat, it's easier than getting a job.")
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To: earplug
He scored 25% on his entry test, yet was passed over 500 others waiting for a flying slot.


You want to provide a link or proof of the 'passed over 500 others waiting for a flying slot.'? do you think you can?
44 posted on 01/31/2004 7:58:00 PM PST by deport (BUSH - CHENEY 2004.........)
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To: GigaDittos
Sorry. "This is where Kerry and the Dems are going to hit Bush;..."
45 posted on 01/31/2004 7:58:25 PM PST by GigaDittos (Bumper sticker: "Vote Democrat, it's easier than getting a job.")
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To: deport
I'm waiting for that, too.
46 posted on 01/31/2004 7:59:45 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Four hours is too long for a Democrat to sit in the Oval Office, let alone four years. Vote W '04)
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To: GigaDittos
Yes, I know - and it's a bad strategy, imo. The American people see him as strong on defense because he has clearly demonstrated that he is, not because he was in the ANG many years ago. The Democrats who are critical of him are only going to resonate with those who already hate the man. That's my guess, anyway.
47 posted on 01/31/2004 8:01:30 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Four hours is too long for a Democrat to sit in the Oval Office, let alone four years. Vote W '04)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
I'm waiting for that, too.


LOL..... yep I wanna see that one.... Now it's true he did score 25% or percentile on one section of the entrance test which was the lowest acceptable.... I can't remember what the section was on, maybe mechanical appitude, I'm not sure.... He did much better on all the other sections.
48 posted on 01/31/2004 8:06:01 PM PST by deport (BUSH - CHENEY 2004.........)
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To: annyokie
What bullsh*t. If you're in the Guard you may be called up at anytime.

I'm sure Cleland's comments will go over real well with the soldiers and families of guard and reserve soldiers that have been stuck in Iraq for the past 12-18 months. That's why this loser isn't a US Senator anymore.

49 posted on 01/31/2004 8:17:03 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/~clintonbegone/">Hero</font></a>)
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To: KQQL
Why didn't they complain about THIS??????? BILL CLINTON'S MILITARY RECORD
50 posted on 01/31/2004 8:18:33 PM PST by soozla (LIBERALS are the suckiest bunch of suckers that ever sucked!)
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