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Hundreds listen to [Michael] Moore politics
The Grand Rapids Press ^ | Sunday, February 01, 2004 | Ted Roelofs

Posted on 02/01/2004 8:34:26 AM PST by FourPeas

Michael Moore has never been afraid to offend.

He didn't disappoint Saturday night in an appearance at Fountain Street Church in Grand Rapids, as more than 2,000 people jammed inside to hear him take on President Bush, Rush Limbaugh, war with Iraq -- and just about everything else on the political right.

Several hundred more were turned away when the church ran out of space in its sanctuary and overflow rooms. They came to hear the brash, outspoken author and award-winning documentary filmmaker, who is also famous for denouncing Bush in March before a national television audience at the Oscars.

"Why aren't we in charge?" Moore asked. "We are the majority in this country, not those crazies standing out there on Fountain Street," referring to a small group that gathered briefly with American flags to protest his appearance.

In the course of a speech that lasted nearly 90 minutes, Moore faulted the political left in America for being splintered and disorganized.

Dressed in blue jeans, a sloppy sweater and tennis shoes, he urged the largely youthful crowd to vote in November's presidential election and to identify "10 slackers that you are personally going to take to the polls with you."

Moore also repeated a line he uttered a couple weeks ago at a campaign appearance for retired General Wesley Clark, in which he called President Bush a "deserter." It refers to allegations that Bush skipped out on months of service to the Texas Air National Guard in the 1970s.

"I want to see that debate between the general and the deserter," Moore said, to loud applause.

He drew his loudest ovation when he said the nation should never send its young to war "unless it's for the self-defense of the country."

Among those cheering for Moore was Emily Hogan, 23, of Cedar Springs, a social worker who considers herself a big fan. In her view, Moore is one of the few who dares to stand up to the powerful and conservative forces that help elect Bush president.

"I have all his books," Hogan said. "I have all his videos."

Of his controversial speech at the Oscars, Hogan gave Moore credit for speaking up.

"I think he deserves applause for that. You need to stand up to something when you disagree with it. That's American."

Hogan thought the sizable turnout proves West Michigan is less conservative than many believe.

That's not quite the view of Michigan GOP chairwoman Betsy DeVos, who took a few swings at Moore prior to his appearance.

"He's free to go wherever he is invited. That freedom is a privilege I'm not sure he values very much," DeVos said.

"Michael Moore is a distasteful character who has made a fortune off of peddling fear, ignorance and hatred while posing as a self-righteous populist. At his core, he is an elitist and a propagandist who thinks that he ... should tell people how do business and live their lives."

As for his attacks on Bush, DeVos said they "reflect his juvenile and incoherent leftism."

Moore, 49, has been linked to populist and left-wing causes since at least the 1980s, when he edited the Michigan Voice in Flint.

He graduated from print to film with the 1989 release of "Roger &Me," a satiric documentary about the loss of jobs in Flint and his relentless pursuit of GM chief Roger Smith for an interview.

He reprised the tactic in "Bowling for Columbine," in which he tracked down an aging Charlton Heston to confront the actor and National Rifle Association president on gun control.

It won an Oscar for Moore in March, when he stepped out on the stage to denounce President Bush and the war with Iraq: "We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you."

A pastor at Fountain Street said his appearance is in keeping with a long tradition at the church of controversial speakers, from Eleanor Roosevelt to black activist Stokely Carmichael.

"We could have filled the sanctuary twice," said senior pastor Judith Walker-Riggs. She said she hoped the appearance would spark interest in the political process in a group that has opted out of a recent elections.

"Michael is so popular with the generations that have historically not been voting," she said.

Before his speech, Moore went outside and spoke to the hundreds of people who were turned away when the doors were closed.

"That's usually the group I'm in, the tardy group," Moore quipped.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
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Hundreds? Ooooh, I'm impressed.

Also check out TomasUSMC's after-FReep report here

1 posted on 02/01/2004 8:34:26 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: TomasUSMC
ping!

I read your after-FReep report and thought you'd enjoy the Press's "official" report.
2 posted on 02/01/2004 8:35:09 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas
Michael Moore is a big fat idiot.
3 posted on 02/01/2004 8:36:33 AM PST by Rocko (Moore is less.)
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To: FourPeas
Amazing when hating America is considered patriotic, and holding an American flag makes you a crazy.
4 posted on 02/01/2004 8:41:40 AM PST by LaraCroft (If the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, do the stupid get stupider?)
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To: FourPeas
A pastor at Fountain Street said his appearance is in keeping with a long tradition at the church of controversial speakers, from Eleanor Roosevelt to black activist Stokely Carmichael.

Let me guess...Unitarian?

5 posted on 02/01/2004 8:44:14 AM PST by prion
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It considers itself "non-denominational liberal". Oddly enough, I believe it used to be a Baptist church until it underwent it's "conversion".
6 posted on 02/01/2004 8:45:37 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas
Remember it's only the religious right that is used pejoratively in the news.
7 posted on 02/01/2004 8:46:42 AM PST by Drango (Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.)
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To: FourPeas
That's not quite the view of Michigan GOP chairwoman Betsy DeVos

Before Betsy gets on her high horse let's remind everyone that she is part of the DeVos family and the greatest scam business ever perpetuated on the American landscape, Amway.

Me, you, 6, 4, 2. What a crock.

8 posted on 02/01/2004 8:47:44 AM PST by Archangelsk (One man with conviction is a majority.)
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Here it is (from their History Page at www.fountainstreet.org):

Fountain Street Church, located in downtown Grand Rapids, is a liberal church with Protestant roots. As a liberal church, its congregants espouse no creed, but worship services do follow a traditional Christian calendar of Advent, Christmas and Easter celebrations. Less traditional observances include an annual Halloween service and "Reverence for Life" Sunday, where pets attend church with their families. Worshippers come from many religious traditions and are joined in a church family which considers the religious quest to be a lifelong journey of personal discovery.

Founded as the First Baptist Church of Grand Rapids, it evolved to a non-denominational, non-creedal church starting as early as the late 1800's, becoming completely independent by the 1960's. Nearly 2000 members strong, the church today is one of the largest free churches in the country, owned, funded and totally governed by its members.

The Romanesque Basilica was dedicated in 1924 after an earlier Gothic sanctuary was destroyed by fire in 1917. The building is adorned by both religious and secular symbolism. Stained glass windows, tessarae mosaics, Italian carved marble and murals depict Biblical characters and leaders in American history and science.

9 posted on 02/01/2004 8:48:08 AM PST by FourPeas
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""I have all his books," Hogan said. "I have all his videos."

Mommy, make it stop!

10 posted on 02/01/2004 8:48:38 AM PST by sauropod (Better to have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!)
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To: Archangelsk
Betsy DeVos is one of the best things that ever happened to the Republican party in Michigan.
11 posted on 02/01/2004 8:49:04 AM PST by FourPeas
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If he's so popular and draws such huge crowds why isn't he speaking in a 50,000 seat stadium?

Oh, that's right. 100s might look a little sparse in there.
12 posted on 02/01/2004 8:50:38 AM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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""I have all his books," Hogan said. "I have all his videos."

...so THAT'S who lives at the public dump.

13 posted on 02/01/2004 8:50:44 AM PST by FourPeas
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he urged the largely youthful crowd to vote in November's presidential election and to identify "10 slackers that you are personally going to take to the polls with you."

This is just what all of us must do! We all have to find other possible voters, inform them calmly, yet forcefully and factually, to help save the country and win this election.

It is our love for the country versus Moore and his ilk's hatred, and their hatred is relentless and very strong. Please, don't sit back.

14 posted on 02/01/2004 8:51:03 AM PST by thesummerwind (Like painted kites, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: FourPeas
"As a liberal church, its congregants espouse no creed..."

'Nuff said.

15 posted on 02/01/2004 8:51:06 AM PST by sauropod (Better to have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!)
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To: FourPeas
Wow! Hahaha...that sounds like the Church of Glowing Unicorn Magic and Dolphin Love Energy or something.
16 posted on 02/01/2004 8:52:32 AM PST by prion
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To: FourPeas
What's funny is that they really wonder, "Why aren't we in charge?"
17 posted on 02/01/2004 8:54:47 AM PST by wizardoz ("Crikey! I've lost my mojo!")
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To: FourPeas
Yeah, hundreds, nice. If it was only hundreds altogether. I do a lot of business abroad, and Michael Moore is the one American they like to mention pretty much everywhere. They know him in Britain, they know him in Canada, he is popular in Germany, and I even saw children wearing Moore T-shirts in Asia. I tell you, if we do not manage to improve our image this guy is going to ruin it. Unless the democrats win the elections and they will all think that the big conspiracy has ended. That guy is dangerous, and I bet his next documentary will be a success in Toronto again.
18 posted on 02/01/2004 8:57:36 AM PST by munozjoe
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To: FourPeas
Hundreds? Ooooh, I'm impressed.

Did you miss this:
He didn't disappoint Saturday night in an appearance at Fountain Street Church in Grand Rapids, as more than 2,000 people jammed inside to hear him take on President Bush, Rush Limbaugh, war with Iraq -- and just about everything else on the political right.

19 posted on 02/01/2004 8:58:13 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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I agree,a liberal church that espouses no creed is a crock.

The touchy,feely,politically correct,white wine drinking crowd makes my hair stand on end.

They usually call themselves all-inclusive but God help you if you ever,ever do or say something with which they don't agree. I doubt if many of their members bowl,drink beer,smoke,and live in trailer parks.
20 posted on 02/01/2004 8:59:29 AM PST by Mears
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