Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

MPs expected to put an end to gun registry
The Ottowa Citizen | Feb 3, 2004 | NA

Posted on 02/03/2004 12:20:24 PM PST by neverdem

The final battle over the $1-billion federal gun registry is set to be waged over the next two months, with a senior Liberal MP telling constituents he believes the controversial program may die of "financial malnutrition" after a free vote in the Commons.

Registered 7-day subscribers to the Ottawa Citizen newspaper or electronic edition will enjoy full access to all OttawaCitizen.com content.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; canada; gunregistration
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-23 next last
Sorry, but I won't register.

I'm surprised they don't raise the fees. They must be afraid of possible backlash at the polls.

1 posted on 02/03/2004 12:20:29 PM PST by neverdem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: *bang_list
Good! Maybe gun control will begin to follow the same road down here.
2 posted on 02/03/2004 12:27:38 PM PST by Ancesthntr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
By ALLISON DUNFIELD
Globe and Mail Update

Prime Minister Paul Martin indicated Wednesday that he will overhaul the federal gun registry, although he said he still backs the former Liberal government's gun registry legislation.

Mr. Martin is facing a tight upcoming federal budget, with a projected surplus of only $2.3-billion, $2-billion of which is earmarked for health care.

This week, during meetings in Ottawa, he is asking caucus members to find ways to trim spending from various government departments.

Some MPs are looking at the ballooning gun registry as a way of cutting costs. The registry had an original price tag of $2-million when it was introduced in 1995 but is now predicted to cost at least $1-billion.

Sources told The Globe and Mail this week that the Martin government is conducting a review of the registry and is looking at ways of streamlining it. They said it will likely be significantly altered — a move that is likely to appeal to opponents of the program from Western Canada.

“It's clear that there have been problems, there have been huge costs, and we have to review all that,” Mr. Martin said in Ottawa after a Liberal caucus meeting Wednesday.

He said costs associated with the system must be contained.

However, Mr. Martin added that he continues to support the gun registry legislation. Later, the Canadian Alliance issued a statement calling on Mr. Martin to scrap the program.

“While minister of finance, Mr. Martin signed the cheques for the billion-dollar gun registry boondoggle, hiding from the flawed realities of the program. It is time Mr. Martin pops out of his hole and cancels this faulty program,” the statement read.

Other MPs, such as former solicitor-general Wayne Easter, said that scrapping the registry is not the answer.

“You're going to create the so-called gun wars between urban and rural Canada again,” Mr. Easter told CBC Newsworld earlier Wednesday. Many rural Canadians say the registry is unnecessary, while many urban Canadians are in favour of it.

Among the changes being considered by the Martin team, sources say, is reallocation of some of the resources used to finance the registry to beef up other areas, such as policing or security at borders where illegal guns make their way into Canada from the United States.

A senior government official said Tuesday the gun-registry legislation is not “a meaningful law.” Most provinces and territories, including Alberta and British Columbia, have refused to comply with the legislation, which came into force last year.

Only one person has been convicted under the new law of failing to register a gun; there are estimates that more than one million guns are not registered.

However, the official said Tuesday the review is not expected to recommend killing the registry.

“The question is, is it going to metamorphose into something else. . . . If we're going to spend this money, maybe there is a better way of spending it or siphoning some off to areas which need it.”

Albina Guarnieri, Minister of State for Civil Preparedness, is conducting the review.

Mr. Martin and Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan, a Western Liberal MP who as justice minister in the Chrétien government was one of the key supporters of the legislation, consider the review a priority.

They asked the Mississauga MP and new minister to take on the registry review just after she was sworn in to cabinet last month.

3 posted on 02/03/2004 12:40:26 PM PST by kanawa (that which is born in blood must need die in blood)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kanawa
Thanks for the update.
4 posted on 02/03/2004 12:53:37 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: kanawa
The registry had an original price tag of $2-million when it was introduced in 1995 but is now predicted to cost at least $1-billion.

bwaaaa haaaa haaaaa haaaaa

5 posted on 02/03/2004 12:56:36 PM PST by leadpencil1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: kanawa
Some MPs are looking at the ballooning gun registry as a way of cutting costs. The registry had an original price tag of $2-million when it was introduced in 1995 but is now predicted to cost at least $1-billion.

Say... they'd be right at home in Boston. The Big Dig was budgeted at $ 2.5B; cost $ 15B plus (and they refuse to say how much over $ 15B it went, but there are a lot of Boston contractors having custom yatchs built in the UK...)

6 posted on 02/03/2004 12:57:04 PM PST by pabianice
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: neverdem; All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/826556/posts
The Fire Up North ( Canada's Billion-Dollar Gun Registration Black Hole...)
various links & websites | 01-21-03 | The Heavy Equipment Guy
7 posted on 02/03/2004 1:11:52 PM PST by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)... the 00's? The Decade of Lunatics...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
The Liberals are facing a general election expected this spring. Prime Minister Paul Martin doesn't want to lead the party into the election defending a $1 billion boondoggle. I expect the gun registry to die a quiet death. No one in Canada likes it and enforcememt has been a problematic issue. Besides Martin would like to reduce some of the hostility in Western Canada to Ottawa so if he allows Liberals MPs to pull the plug on a Jean Chretien Era scheme, it would make him look like his own man. All in all I'd say the days of sticking it to Canada's gun owners are coming to a close.
8 posted on 02/03/2004 1:14:07 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pabianice
"The registry had an original price tag of $2-million when it was introduced in 1995 but is now predicted to cost at least $1-billion."

Wonder how many Cormorant helicopters they could have bought with that to replace the ancient crap Seakings.
9 posted on 02/03/2004 1:53:49 PM PST by Levante
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
...federal budget, with a projected surplus of only $2.3-billion,...

That's amusing.

10 posted on 02/03/2004 2:00:27 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Doctor Stochastic
The opposition should use the ploy "For a billion dollars we could have feed more straving children. Instead they chose to waste it on red tape....."

You get the drift.
11 posted on 02/03/2004 2:06:06 PM PST by Dutch Boy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Levante
Feb. 3, 2004. 01:00 AM
Military to get new helicopters

OTTAWA—Prime Minister Paul Martin's blueprint for defence spending contained firm commitments to Canada's armed forces yesterday and included something that was notably absent from recent throne speeches — specifics.

The 23-page speech devoted three pages to Canada's role in the world, saying Canadians want their country to play "a distinctive and independent role in making the world more secure, more peaceful, more co-operative, more open."

"The government will make immediate investments in key capital equipment, such as new armoured vehicles and replacements for the Sea King helicopters," said Governor-General Adrienne Clarkson.

The government has already said the aging Sea Kings would be replaced by year's end.

It is also going ahead with the early purchase of replacements for its unarmoured Iltis Jeeps patrolling the Afghan capital of Kabul.

But until yesterday's speech, there was lingering doubt it would go forward with the multi-million-dollar purchase of 66 mobile gun systems, known in the United States as Strykers.

12 posted on 02/03/2004 3:37:36 PM PST by kanawa (that which is born in blood must need die in blood)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Doctor Stochastic
...federal budget, with a projected surplus of only $2.3-billion,...
"That's amusing".

'Cute' is the word that comes to my mind.
This, though, scares the socks off me...

economictimes

WASHINGTON: The politically charged US budget deficit will explode to an unprecedented $477 billion in fiscal 2004, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) predicted.

In the decade from 2004 to 2013, the shortfall booms to a total $ 2.38 trillion -- nearly one trillion dollars more than the CBO had predicted in August, it said.

13 posted on 02/03/2004 3:49:01 PM PST by kanawa (that which is born in blood must need die in blood)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: backhoe
Great set of links.
It's nice that someone from Georgia has an interest. Thanks!
14 posted on 02/03/2004 4:03:38 PM PST by kanawa (that which is born in blood must need die in blood)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: kanawa
Appreciate the compliment. Freedom, and its opponents, have similar conflicts across the world. I belong to Free Dominion, CanadianGunNuts, and LUFA in part to show my support of their efforts with RKBA, as well as other concerns.
15 posted on 02/03/2004 4:33:32 PM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the TrackBall into the Sunset...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: kanawa
Mr. Martin is facing a tight upcoming federal budget, with a projected surplus of only $2.3-billion, $2-billion of which is earmarked for health care.

Canada has a federal budget surplus? We have a half a trillion dollar deficit, we are heading toward third world status and into bankruptcy. Since when did CAnada become more conservative than the united States?

16 posted on 02/03/2004 5:53:46 PM PST by waterstraat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: waterstraat
Siple. Scrap the armed forces and you will have a whatever budget surplus.
17 posted on 02/03/2004 5:57:21 PM PST by NZerFromHK
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: kanawa
Carter had at least two total budgets that big.
18 posted on 02/03/2004 8:34:30 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: kanawa
Thank you for the info. =)
19 posted on 02/04/2004 4:18:03 AM PST by Levante
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
I think the Canadian gun owner actually set a good example on this one if this is ever tried in America. One of the reason the cost have ballooned out of control is they "sabotaged" the system by mailing in all kinds of crazy registrations with fake names, addresses, serial numbers off vaccum cleaners etc.

The result is the system is virtually useless and its estimated that over 50% of the data is bogus.
20 posted on 02/04/2004 4:24:05 AM PST by apillar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-23 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson