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Combat conditioning may be Marine’s new training method
Stars & Stripes ^ | Feb. 9, 2004 | Charlie Coon

Posted on 02/09/2004 10:09:13 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl


Monday, February 9, 2004
Combat conditioning may be Marine’s new training method


By Charlie Coon, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Monday, February 9, 2004



Charlie Coon / S&S
A member of Marine Corps Security Forces Europe at Rota Naval Station, Spain, explains what he learned about Combat Conditioning to Capt. Timothy Drake, left, and Staff Sgt. Phillip Wyman.

ROTA NAVAL STATION, Spain — Marines might have to get used to new ways of physical training.

Combat Conditioning was taught last week to members of the Marine Corps Security Forces Europe in Rota. The techniques are supposed to simulate marching, hand-to-hand combat and other job skills.

The Marines at Rota have been ordered to employ Combat Conditioning in their daily workouts. The rest of the corps might be next.

“It’s better [physical training],” said Lance Cpl. Trinity Dupre of Jackson, Miss. “It’s more concentrated on the muscles. It’s not fast and repetitious but more of a workout.

“It’s designed to have variety. I don’t like PT where we’re doing the same thing every day.”

The program was taught by Staff Sgt. Phillip Wyman and Sgt. David Gonzales of the MCSF Training Company in Norfolk, Va. Wyman said he was scheduled to be sent next to Bahrain, Cuba and the Dominican Republic to teach Marines there about Combat Conditioning.

The old PT might have had Marines doing some quick stretches, jumping jacks and squat thrusts. Then they’d head out for a three-mile run, and that would be PT for the day.

The new method has Marines warming up their muscles before stretching them. It features exercises such as push-ups with arms in close that simulate a punch. Exercises require a tucked-in stomach, straight back, and a stance that’s solid and aggressive.

“It’s not so much going through the motions,” Dupre said. “With this program, it takes less time and I get a lot better workout.”

In Combat Conditioning, the precision of exercises is more important than the amount, according to Lance Cpl. Garret Ullal of Santa Cruz, Calif.

“This week I feel we did better PT than in the last six months,” Ullal said.

The course was taught to the Rota group over five days. The Marines had to take a 50-question written test at the end of the week, then demonstrate the new exercises they learned. They received a white binder filled with pages and a CD to study from.

Thirty of the 230 Marines in MCSF Europe took the course. Fourteen will be instructors.

“You now have the power to change your PT program here within your company,” Wyman told them.

The mission of MCSF Europe is in its name — security. The company is required to be ready on short notice to deploy and provide security for a ship, a base or any other asset. Last summer, for example, Marines from Rota were sent to Monrovia, Liberia, to protect the U.S. Embassy and civilians during unrest in the western African country.

The Rota Marines have different jobs but are all sentries in one way or another.

“When we have to stand post for four to eight hours, this will help us with our discipline,” Ullal said. “It will also help us when we’re toting gear, plates, flacks.”

“The bottom line,” said Capt. T.R. Crellin, the company’s executive officer, “is it prepares them for combat.”



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1 posted on 02/09/2004 10:09:16 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; Spc. Kibbey; TEXOKIE; Alamo-Girl; windchime; Grampa Dave; ...

ROTA NAVAL STATION, Spain  -- Combat Conditioning was taught last week to members of the Marine Corps Security Forces Europe in Rota. The techniques are supposed to simulate marching, hand-to-hand combat and other job skills.

The Marines at Rota have been ordered to employ Combat Conditioning in their daily workouts. The rest of the corps might be next.

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2 posted on 02/09/2004 10:12:31 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
The old PT might have had Marines doing some quick stretches, jumping jacks and squat thrusts. Then they' head out for a three-mile run, and that would be PT for the day.

i seem to recall the order "squat thrusts forever"...on too many occasions. Semper Fi
3 posted on 02/09/2004 10:14:01 AM PST by stylin19a (Is it vietnam yet ?)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
You will not necessarily rise to the occasion ..more likely..you will default to your level of training...
4 posted on 02/09/2004 10:15:38 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
"The Rota Marines have different jobs but are all sentries in one way or another."

And, wisely, every Marine is a rifleman.

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in combat."

And Marines for centuries have known that you always should train in the manner in which you will fight....

5 posted on 02/09/2004 10:17:26 AM PST by tracer (ay)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I don't understand what they're doing. More precise pushups, okay. But how do you "simulate marching" and why not just march?
6 posted on 02/09/2004 10:19:16 AM PST by prion
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
"Last summer, for example, Marines from Rota were sent to Monrovia, Liberia, to protect the U.S. Embassy and civilians during unrest in the western African country."

No surprises here. From the Marine Corps Hymn: ".....to the shores of Tripoli" and "we've fought in every clime and place where we could take a gun"....

7 posted on 02/09/2004 10:20:03 AM PST by tracer (ay)
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To: stylin19a
i seem to recall the order "squat thrusts forever"...

The command "Bends and muther****ers.......begin" still haunts my dreams.

Semper Fi

8 posted on 02/09/2004 10:27:41 AM PST by grunt03
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To: grunt03
That's how I recall it too :-]
9 posted on 02/09/2004 10:40:02 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Out Troops! ... Have you hugged yur local bureaucrats today?)
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To: grunt03
Quarterdeck flashbacks....
10 posted on 02/09/2004 10:44:32 AM PST by IGOTMINE (All we are saying... is give guns a chance!)
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To: NormsRevenge; Ragtime Cowgirl
The course was taught to the Rota group over five days. The Marines had to take a 50-question written test at the end of the week, then demonstrate the new exercises they learned. They received a white binder filled with pages and a CD to study from.

Are they gonna turn these guys into scholars?

Might be good for my grandson.

11 posted on 02/09/2004 11:00:52 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: stylin19a
i seem to recall the order "squat thrusts forever"...on too many occasions.

Always preceded with "On your faces, Pukefaces!"

12 posted on 02/09/2004 11:05:00 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Some days you're the windshield; some days you're the bug)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Actually, I heartily agree,, for any young man or woman who wishes to have their mettle (and noodle) tested, The Marines are game to satisfy their curiosity and see if they have the desire to be one of the few, the proud, the Marines. :-}
13 posted on 02/09/2004 11:06:16 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Out Troops! ... Have you hugged yur local bureaucrats today?)
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To: stylin19a
i seem to recall the order "squat thrusts forever"...on too many occasions. Semper Fi

"Push ups....All of them that have not been done....Ready...BEGIN!"

14 posted on 02/09/2004 11:27:08 AM PST by Jarhead_22 (Peace can wait. I want payback.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Does anyone have a link to a better description or outline of the program?
15 posted on 02/09/2004 11:37:59 AM PST by Jarhead_22 (Peace can wait. I want payback.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
16 posted on 02/09/2004 11:52:27 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Peace through readiness ~ Bump!
17 posted on 02/09/2004 11:59:45 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Sounds like my Krav Maga class.
18 posted on 02/09/2004 12:34:40 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl


My new book: "From Combat Marine to Happy Couch Potato in 30 Easy Years."

Synopsis - Learn how to take command of the softest part of the couch and protect it from dogs, cats, wives, kids and other malingerers. Which how-to book you need to buy to teach your wife plumbing, wiring, carpentry and roofing. Ten tricks to get the pizza delivery guy inside your house and place the pizza on your coffee table so you don't need to get off the Laz-e-Boy and open the door. Show your kids where the coldest beer in the fridge is located and how to fetch it. Ten fool-proof excuses you can use not to take the garbage out. How to get your wife to change channels for you and not feel guilty. Tricking your 10-year-old into digging fence post holes while you rest in the comfort of your hammock. Happy work songs you can sing while she's felling and bucking logs.
19 posted on 02/09/2004 12:36:56 PM PST by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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To: NormsRevenge; IGOTMINE
Let's not forget - "leg lifts....begin..1..2..3..4" (repeat a bunch of times) then the absolutely dreaded "FREEZE!, and hold 'em 6 inches off the deck ladies!"

My stomach hurts typing this..

20 posted on 02/09/2004 1:59:26 PM PST by grunt03
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