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Bush met military obligation [Bush Was At Alabama Base, Says Ex-Guardsman ]
The Birmingham News ^ | 02/11/04 | MARY ORNDORFF and BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE

Posted on 02/11/2004 11:46:52 PM PST by Hon

Bush met military obligation, aide says

02/11/04MARY ORNDORFF and BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE
News staff writers

A White House spokesman said Tuesday that President Bush worked enough days as a member of the Texas Air National Guard in 1972 and 1973 to fulfill his annual training requirements, but new payroll records he released also show a five-month gap while Bush was assigned to a small reserve unit in Montgomery.

Bush did not receive military pay from May to September of 1972, according to the documents, and the former commander of the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron said Tuesday that Bush didn't show up during those months.

"He never did come to my squad," said retired Lt. Col. Reese Bricken, who lives in Montgomery. "He was never at my unit."

Bricken reviewed documents Tuesday showing Bush's transfer request to his squadron and his response to the request. He said he remembered sending approval back for him to serve in the small unit, made up of reserve members who met weekly.

"He was looking for a place to hang his hat, but he never came by," Bricken said.

Although the president's spokesman talked Tuesday about how the newly discovered payroll records show that Bush satisfied his annual training duties, a specific request to explain the time Bush was with the 9921st was not answered.

The documents give a date-by-date rundown of Bush's pay history as a first lieutenant in the Texas Air National Guard, including May to November of 1972, when he was in Alabama working on a political campaign. The White House, at Bush's request, released the records to answer charges from Democrats that he skirted his military obligations.

"The president recalls serving both when he was in Texas and when he was in Alabama," White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters. "And we have provided you these documents that show clearly that the president of the United States fulfilled his duties. And that is the reason that he was honorably discharged from the National Guard. The president was proud of his service."

The White House says the records are proof that Bush adequately performed his duty as a guardsman because records show he accumulated 56 points toward his retirement in both 1972-73 and 1973-74, above the minimum requirement of 50 points.

"These records reflect that he met his requirements, both in point summaries and that he was paid for the days in which he served," McClellan said.

Worked for Blount:

The records show Bush was paid in the first four months of 1972 for 30 days of military service apparently completed in Texas. But in May, he asked permission to train in Alabama because he was going to work as political director for Winton "Red" Blount's 1972 campaign for the U.S. Senate. His first transfer was approved to the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron, a 22-man postal unit on Maxwell Air Force Base.

The 9921st squadron met every Tuesday night to review military materials, including things like first aid manuals. Unit members were no longer in the active military and did not earn pay for their work.

The meetings helped the reservists earn points toward their retirement. The unit had no way of helping an active guard member meet his training obligations, Bricken said.

Bush's assignment to the 9921st was withdrawn months later because his superiors pointed out it was not part of a combat-ready Guard unit and did not perform work equivalent to what Bush's training regimen as a pilot required. So in September, Bush applied to the 187th Tactical Recon Group, also in Montgomery, according to a Sept. 5, 1972, letter. The three-month transfer was approved.

Bush's pay records, as provided to the White House by the Defense Financing Accounting Service, pick back up soon after, with paychecks covering two days in October and four days in November.

The election, in which Blount lost handily to U.S. Sen. John Sparkman, was Nov. 7 that year.

Although the payroll records show Bush getting paid for service in Alabama in October and November, a commander of the 187th said Tuesday that he didn't remember the young Texas pilot. At the time, according to a Montgomery newspaper report in 1972, the 187th had about 800 members.

"I don't remember him showing up, and I think I would have remembered it because I spent my career in Texas, have a big tie to it," said retired Gen. William Turnipseed. However, Turnipseed, who is in his 70s, said it is possible that he wouldn't remember since it was more than 30 years ago.

A letter from that time said Bush was to report to Turnipseed, but the former commander said he wasn't aware of the letter until a reporter contacted him during the 2000 presidential campaign. After national news organizations bantered Turnipseed's name around in 2000, he was contacted by old unit members. None of them mentioned remembering Bush, he said.

However, Turnipseed said Bush was not under an obligation to report and could miss drills with the 187th as long as he made up enough points in the year to fulfill his obligation.

"You know, probably, rules were a little looser back then than they are now. If you go in the Guard now, you are going to end up in Iraq," Turnipseed said.

Turnipseed said he is a Bush supporter.

"I'm fed up," he said. "People want me to give them something to bash Bush."

`Very active':

Joe LeFevers, a member of the 187th in 1972, said he remembers seeing Bush in unit offices and being told that Bush was in Montgomery to work on Blount's campaign.

"I was going in the orderly room over there one day, and they said, `This is Lt. Bush,'" LeFevers said Tuesday. "They pointed him out to me ... the reason I remember it is because I associate him with Red Blount."

Red Blount's son, Winton Blount III, said Bush was the campaign's deputy manager and spent a lot of time in Birmingham and north Alabama.

"He was a very active part of that campaign," said Blount. "And as my aunt said, she hoped people would act as nice in other people's homes as he did."

News staff writers Kim Chandler, Stan Bailey and Tom Gordon contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: awol; bush; deserter; militaryrecord; mojocloaksashon; servicerecord; wguardwitness
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To: Hon
I met Red Blount many years ago - during his funding splurge for the Alabama Shakespeare Festival (quick side note: he not only provided funds to build the complex, he donated his back yard to build it in!) He struck me as an extraordinarily intelligent man - not one who would abide an idiot or shirker working on any project he headed up.

This "story" is as it has always been: pure garbage.
21 posted on 02/12/2004 2:35:58 AM PST by Monkey King
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To: Hon
Thanks, Hon!

You've done a fantastic job tying up the loose ends.

22 posted on 02/12/2004 2:48:42 AM PST by RottiBiz
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To: GeronL
The Rats don't realize what they have done.......they have energized Bush's base and given us a cause...there are hundreds of Freepers searching archives and using search engines to find old Kerry quotes and photos.

This is called blowback and Kerry is about to get hit with a whole shitload.

23 posted on 02/12/2004 2:49:28 AM PST by Dog ( John F. Kerry - - - - - - Son of Fred Gwynne)
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To: Dog
No, kidding, Dog! You are exactly right!

I am also looking.

24 posted on 02/12/2004 3:07:46 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: ambrose
"Interesting how they bury the eyewitness account."
But not surprising. The Birmingham News is a pathetic NYT wannabe.
25 posted on 02/12/2004 3:12:36 AM PST by bamabaseballmom
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To: Hon
Unit members were no longer in the active military and did not earn pay for their work.

Brig Gen Turnipseed needs to go on Hannity's radio show or FNC and maybe write an op ed piece for the Wash Times to get this crap cleared up once and for all.

26 posted on 02/12/2004 4:08:09 AM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: Terry Mross
Well, McAwful's strategy failed. He dared to try and compare Kerry's service to Bush's. In doing that, McAwful knew he needed to bring up the guard service AT THE SAME TIME Kerry touted his service in Vietnam. Unfortunately, the 'war hero versus weekend warrior' strategy failed, just like it did in 2000. Even better, Kerry began to back away from his bombastic claims this week because he knew his own protesting effort after his tour would come back to haunt him.

In the end, Bush wins- again.

27 posted on 02/12/2004 4:09:50 AM PST by rintense
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To: Hon
"You know, probably, rules were a little looser back then than they are now. If you go in the Guard now, you are going to end up in Iraq," Turnipseed said.
. . . because the military was downsized so dramatically in the previous maladminstration.

As the regulars units spun off people who had taken on military obligations, the National Guard obviously should have expanded . But I guess it actually didn't? That would have cost money, and treated military people better in the process.

Does it strike anyone else that Bush would have made a more memorable imprint on National Guardsmen if he had gone around bragging about GHW Bush's connections??

It strikes me that Bush wasn't trying to make a splash there.
Then again, Republican politicians in the South back then had even more to be humble about than Democrats in the South do now! Democrats now at least have memories of getting elected . . .


28 posted on 02/12/2004 4:25:19 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Belief in your own objectivity is the essence of subjectivity.)
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
Good post.

I noted this in the original article:

The 9921st squadron met every Tuesday night to review military materials, including things like first aid manuals. Unit members were no longer in the active military and did not earn pay for their work.

*Sort* of sounds like what we had in the Army Reserve called "admin drills". Happened on 2 Tuesday nights per months (our paid drill was usually 1 Sunday per month and 2 Tuesdays per month).

The admin drills were unpaid drill time (8-10 hours per month - sometimes more). You did not have to technically attend, but officers and Senior NCO folks stated if they did not, it could hurt them at review and promotion time.

Then the Army National Guard unit in the same town had a good idea by encouraging folks to transfer to the Guard, and making a point of no admin drills. Several folks left the reserve unit.

Of course, that was in the late 80's, and as you state, it's a whole different thing now...

29 posted on 02/12/2004 6:18:28 AM PST by Fury
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To: cat lover too
"But let me get this straight, they asked for a live witness for days now, here you find a live witness who saw him there, and it ends up in the last paragraph."

I didn't find him. But maybe you mean I found it in this story.

If that's what you mean, I agree. It is amazing that what should be the top news story of the day has been buried in this story without hardly any reference.

But reporters aren't too bright as a rule.
30 posted on 02/12/2004 6:33:50 AM PST by Hon
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
Yes, you have said what others have said, including Turnipseed. He touched on some of it in this article, too.

BTW, could you answer a question on this? When they say the current records show nine days, do they mean nine pay days? Were the drills nine days or nine periods--which could be longer?

Just curious.
31 posted on 02/12/2004 6:39:23 AM PST by Hon
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To: Ronin
Unfortunately, I'm still hearing the same old "no one remembers him" mantra on network news, both television and radio. Something needs to be done to make sure the truth is reported.
32 posted on 02/12/2004 6:39:40 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Hon
I don't see what the significance of a five-month gap is since Lt. Bush was required to earn 50 points and he earned 56. Requirements surpassed, case closed.
33 posted on 02/12/2004 7:03:36 AM PST by alnick
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To: Hon
Finally, after 4 years of lies and smears the truth gets out.

Maybe you can get Mr. Rassmann to forward you his military records. He says he is a "NEWS" junkie and he did make himself part of this campaign. He claims Kerry is honest.
34 posted on 02/12/2004 7:17:07 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
"Finally, after 4 years of lies and smears the truth gets out."

The truly sad thing is that this story is being buried in the media--look where it is in the article.

And it is being buried here. Drudge might be posting something! Did you see the (fake) photo Newsmax lifted?

It's really pathetic.
35 posted on 02/12/2004 8:09:00 AM PST by Hon
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To: Just mythoughts
Honest about slandering all our troops in Viet Nam? Did Rassman too commit atrocities against innocent civilians?
36 posted on 02/12/2004 8:15:05 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: Hon
No, I am not interested in "fake" stuff from either side.

I believe only "TRUTH" sets one free. I have been hesitant about questioning the veracity of Rassmann. That is the reason why I read through only "published" articles telling the "JFKERRY" story. I sat in disbelief of his own words as I saw him interviewed and his appearance on stage.

It was only after President Bush was called a "deserter" being AWOL and demanding his records, and JFKERRY to demand "BRING-IT-ON", did I start to see where in the "public" record of the time for Mr. Rassmann story and/or name.

The whole drama and the way it unfolded did not add up. JFKerry knows what is in the public domain, he also knows what is not there.

I have no issue with the "truth" just have not satisfied myself that what we have been told is "truth". I find it interesting how little has been written, or investigated about the Rassmann event by the media. Yes they have interview him but demanded no records to verify what he said.
37 posted on 02/12/2004 8:27:00 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
"I find it interesting how little has been written, or investigated about the Rassmann event by the media. Yes they have interview him but demanded no records to verify what he said."

I'm with you. And it's not like Kerry hasn't been prominent for the last thirty years. Heck, why didn't Rassmann get in touch with him after he was on Meet The Press or Dick Cavett or after his Senate Testimoney--all done back in 1971?

Kerry ran for the Presidency four years ago. Where was Rassmann then?

I think it's a bit fishy too.
38 posted on 02/12/2004 8:33:33 AM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
I think this low-blow attack is going to backfire on the Dims big time. I think everyday Americans see it for what it is - gutter politics. Heck, I disagree with Bush on some issues but this raises my hackles and makes me jump to his defense. I'm sure a lot of average joes feel the same way too.
39 posted on 02/12/2004 8:38:35 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Hon
I won't be buying the Brinkley book, but will make a trip out to see if he tells where he got his information.

That seems to be the first recorded description of this event.

Thank for your well searched information. You have done an honorable job.
40 posted on 02/12/2004 8:44:06 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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