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Evolution Critics Are Under Fire For Flaws in 'Intelligent Design'
Wall Street Journal ^ | Feb 13, 2004 | SHARON BEGLEY

Posted on 02/13/2004 3:14:29 AM PST by The Raven

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:51:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Right Wing Professor
[Right Wing Professor wrote:] It appears this was a foolish analogy, since clearly fitness does imply more than one specific function.

[The poster nicknamed Mr. LLLICHY replied:] Well, you didn't read the rest of the discussion, because I answered that. post 53--- Only if the car is not required at the original destination.

I would think that most likely, RWP did read that reply, but rightfully dismissed it as either a missing-the-point non sequitur by the author, or an intentional red herring.

First, stubbornly sticking to the "cars can only go to one destination" aspect of the flawed analogy not only doesn't "answer" RWP's point, it ignores *his* point, which is that fitness involves the fine-tuning of *multiple* functions in an organism, not just one-and-only-one.

Second, the whole "one car on one road" analogy is fundamentally flawed as a model of genetic evolution on several counts, the primary one being that due to gene duplication, genes most certainly *CAN* and *DO* go down "two (or more) roads at once" without having to "abandon" the "original destination" (i.e. current function). And even without gene duplication, a single copy of a gene can perform more than one function, yet again making the "single car" analogy ludicrously unsuitable and grossly misleading as a mental model of genetics and evolution.

161 posted on 02/13/2004 3:42:20 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: biblewonk
The "irreducible complexity." concept uses a mouse trap for an illustration. Since removing any one of the seven parts renders the trap useless it is irreductibly complex.

[...]

but they are extremely extrememly extremely... complex and if you try and simplify them, they are nothing, nadda zip. Just like a mouse trap minus any one component.

That's another funny thing about Behe and his followers. Not only do they simply *assert* (without bothering with that pesky "evidence" thing) that certain biological systems can't be successfully reduced, even their "intuitive" *examples* are wrong.

So a mouse trap is "irredicubily complex", as Behe and his followers, say, eh?

Sorry, wrong again. A reducibly complex mousetrap .

If Behe can make a mistake about whether something as simple as a *mousetrap* is "irreducibly complex", how can we trust his intuition on the harder stuff, like biological systems?

162 posted on 02/13/2004 3:48:20 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: betty boop; The Raven; raven; Alamo-Girl; marron; P-Marlowe; Tribune7; logos; RightWhale; js1138; ..
What I think we can say, however, is the way human beings symbolize God "evolves"....

...or "devolves," as the case may be.

Such devolution is the way of the world. It is only by direct intervention that such relational, spiritual, passionate, and intellectual entropy is overcome, by God. Yes bb, such is the way, of energy, isn't it? When there is a disconnection with its source, energy inexorably dissipates, just as knowledge is distorted and lost in our world's various religious "telephone games."

May all our batteries be so charged. Such things as batteries and other capacitors are pretty useless, otherwise.

A capacitor for God is a very, very terrible thing to waste.

163 posted on 02/13/2004 4:12:10 PM PST by unspun (The uncontextualized life is not worth living. | I'm not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate.)
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To: PhilipFreneau
It is illogical to believe in evolution, where nothing can be predicted, and at the same time believe in prophecy, which can only come true by design.

What are you talking about? Evolution can be predicted, and even if it couldn't, your argument has no logic to it.
164 posted on 02/13/2004 4:25:08 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: jennyp
And do/does this/these angel(s) also work on the mineral crystals, or is that a different department?

The number of bureaucratic layers in heaven would depend on whether God is a Democrat or a Republican. If God is a conservative, then things are free to work themselves out.

165 posted on 02/13/2004 4:25:43 PM PST by js1138
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To: nmh
Evolution has and always will be fatally flawed. It's premise is ALWAYS that there is NO God and order arbitrarily came out of chaos.

Evolution says nothing regarding the existence of gods or regarding "order from chaos". Your misstatement indicates that understanding of evolution is clearly flawed, thus nothing that you say on the matter can be trusted.
166 posted on 02/13/2004 4:28:07 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: newgeezer
Maybe it's you who, for whatever reason, can't figure out what I meant when I said "you quoted all the evidence I need." Funny how that possibility seemingly didn't enter your mind before you accused me of lying.

Fine. State what evidence I provided and explain how this evidence supports your position. Thus far you've not provided any coherent reasoning.

It was the second sentence you quoted. In other words, the Bible says so, and that's enough for me.

"The Bible says so" is not evidence of anything apart from the content of the Bible. That you are willing to dismiss reality for your particular interpretation of the Bible is your failing, it is not the failing of everyone who chooses not to take such an illogical stance.
167 posted on 02/13/2004 4:32:21 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: Dimensio
Evolution can be predicted

That evolution may continue should not be doubted. But the direction of evolution cannot be predicted. Some may try to force evolution in a particular direction, but they will ultimately pass into despair when their efforts fail and evolution goes in an entirely different direction. Even cloning technology will ultimately fail to control the direction of biological evolution although particular organisms may be created on purpose.

168 posted on 02/13/2004 4:42:07 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale
That evolution may continue should not be doubted. But the direction of evolution cannot be predicted.

Actually, the direction can be predicted. There will be errors in the prediction based upon unknown factors, just like there are unknown factors that lead to errors in any predictive endeavour. Would you accuse someone of heresy because they watched weather reports?
169 posted on 02/13/2004 4:45:26 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: The Raven
[Article posted by The Raven:] Called the type III secretory system, this microsyringe enables a bacterium to inject a toxin into its victim (this is how bubonic-plague bacteria kill). This component of the flagellum, then, could have been hanging around a very long time, conferring benefits on any organism that had it, ready to combine with other structures (which also perform functions in primitive living things) into a full-blown, functional flagellum.

[The poster nicknamed Mr. LLLICHY replied:] Nope. Experts on TTSS assert that the chicken came before the egg.

That might be slightly more convincing if the alleged "experts" were actually named, the fact that other experts disagree was acknowledged, and the evidence and reasoning allegedly supporting the "assertion" was stated.

After all, "experts assert" that the Moon landings were faked.

The TTSS system is a stripped down version of a flagella rather than the flagella being a new and improved hypodermic.

It "is", "is" it? I note that this is coming from the same poster who airily rejects similar lines of study which happen to produce conclusions he prefers not to accept, on the grounds that such reasoning is "inconclusive" or "incomplete".

And yet, as soon as there's a conclusion which supports his favored dogma, now that type of analysis is so completely conclusive that one need not speak of "seems that" or "is indicated", one can speak of what "is".

Fascinating.

Actually, since he won't cite the research, allow me:

Phylogenetic analyses of the constituents of Type III protein secretion systems.

Nguyen L, Paulsen IT, Tchieu J, Hueck CJ, Saier MH Jr.

Department of Biology, University of California at San Diego, La Jolla 92093-0116, USA.

Multicomponent Type III protein secretion systems transfer gram-negative bacterial virulence factors directly from the bacterial cytoplasm to the cytoplasm of a host eukaryotic cell in a process that may involve a single energy-coupled step. Extensive evidence supports the conclusion that the genetic apparatuses that encode these systems have been acquired independently by different gram-negative bacteria, presumably by lateral transfer. In this paper we conduct phylogenetic analyses of currently sequenced constituents of these systems and their homologues. The results reveal the relative relatedness of these systems and show that they evolved with little or no exchange of constituents between systems. This fact suggests that horizontal transmission of the genes encoding these systems always occurred as a unit without the formation of hybrid gene clusters. Moreover, homologous flagellar proteins show phylogenetic clustering that suggests that the flagellar systems and Type III protein secretory systems diverged from each other following very early duplication of a gene cluster sharing many (but not all) genes. Phylogenies of most or all of the flagellar proteins follow those of the source organisms with little or no lateral gene transfer suggesting that homologous flagellar proteins are true orthologues. We suggest that the flagellar apparatus was the evolutionary precursor of Type III protein secretion systems.

J Mol Microbiol Biotechnol. 2000 Apr;2(2):125-44.

Oh, looky there: The authors only go so far as to say that they "suggest that the flagellar apparatus was the evolutionary precursor of Type III protein secretion systems."

I leave it to the reader to note the large disparity between "we suggest" and "is".

I also leave it to the reader to wonder if that's why the poster didn't want to provide a link to the "support" for his claim of what "experts" have "asserted" what "is".

"It depends upon what the meaning of the word is means."
-- Bill Clinton, Testimony before the Grand Jury, August 17, 1998
The problem is that the "suggestion" of Nguyen et al has been cast into doubt by subsequent research. For example:
Bacterial type III secretion systems are ancient and evolved by multiple horizontal-transfer events.

Uri Gophna, Eliora Z. Ron, Dan Graur

Type III secretion systems (TTSS) are unique bacterial mechanisms that mediate elaborate interactions with their hosts. The fact that several of the TTSS proteins are closely related to flagellar export proteins has led to the suggestion that TTSS had evolved from flagella. Here we reconstruct the evolutionary history of four conserved type III secretion proteins and their phylogenetic relationships with flagellar paralogs. Our analysis indicates that the TTSS and the flagellar export mechanism share a common ancestor, but have evolved independently from one another. The suggestion that TTSS genes have evolved from genes encoding flagellar proteins is effectively refuted. A comparison of the species tree, as deduced from 16S rDNA sequences, to the protein phylogenetic trees has led to the identification of several major lateral transfer events involving clusters of TTSS genes. It is hypothesized that horizontal gene transfer has occurred much earlier and more frequently than previously inferred for TTSS genes and is, consequently, a major force shaping the evolution of species that harbor type III secretion systems.

http://kimura.tau.ac.il/graur/ArticlesPDFs/gophnaetal2003.pdf

Note the passage highlighted in red. For the color-blind -- or those wearing dogma-colored glasses -- I'll repeat it again: "The suggestion that TTSS genes have evolved from genes encoding flagellar proteins is effectively refuted."

Also see: Evolution in (Brownian) space: a model for the origin of the bacterial flagellum.

[LLLICHY:] The TTSS are on "bugs" that live in higher animals and have lost functions rather than gained functions.

Another claim "conveniently" missing any citation or support, I note. And if the implication is that "bugs" (*smirk*) which have TTSS are only those which have "lost" the function of flagella for movement (thus "gaining" TTSS by "losing" part of the flagella), this begs the interesting question of why are there bacteria which have *BOTH* TTSS *and* flagella, like for example Salmonella and Yersinia...

170 posted on 02/13/2004 4:47:55 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Dimensio
the direction can be predicted.

According to Frere Teilhard, there is a direction and it will continue. However, the specific families of creatures have arrived at this point and will not evolve physically. Evolution from now on will be not in the biosphere, but in the noosphere. I have assumed this meant greater and greater individuality under greater and greater social organization. We cannot predict what forms the social organization may take except that they will become more complex and continue to take on an existence of their own.

171 posted on 02/13/2004 4:52:08 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: PhilipFreneau
It is illogical to believe in evolution, where nothing can be predicted,

False. Evolution, like any good scientific theory, makes numerous predictions. And so far, these predictions have been repeatedly confirmed by mountains of evidence, experiments, observations, and mathematical analyses.

For a list of several categories of predictions which evolution makes, and how they have been confirmed (as well as explicit descriptions of how these predictions could be falsified if evolution were not true), see 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent.

172 posted on 02/13/2004 4:53:18 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Dembski responds to Miller

John Pieret responds to Dembski's response to Miller:

Metaphors on Trial

or, How did the Groundhog Cross the Road?

by John Pieret
Copyright © 2003
[Posted: April 7, 2003]

Arguments by analogy or metaphor, when used correctly, are both valid and illuminating. For example, a crucial argument made by Charles Darwin in support of evolution was the analogy between 'artificial selection' by breeders and 'natural selection' by the environment. But such arguments must be internally valid and consistent, as well as carefully crafted so that the analogy truly corresponds to the points purportedly being made.

Analogies and metaphors have long been a staple of creationists, especially in regard to the supposed "gulfs" between species, which they claim gradualistic evolution cannot bridge. More recently, the proponents of "Intelligent Design" have taken up the practice with a vengeance. Michael Behe, in particular, is fond of this style of argument and has extended numerous analogies and metaphors in his book, Darwin's Black Box [1], not least of which is his famous (or infamous, depending on your viewpoint) metaphor of "the mousetrap." Much has already been written on that analogy and Keith Robison's article in the Talk Origins Archives, "Darwin's Black Box, Irreducible Complexity or Irreproducible Irreducibility?" [2], is a good starting point for those wishing to explore the mousetrap metaphor more fully. This article will be looking at other analogies used by the advocates of Intelligent Design.

Recently, William Dembski has responded with an argument by analogy to an online article by Kenneth Miller [3] which, ironically, attacks one of Behe's (at least ostensibly) non-metaphorical arguments: namely, that the eubacterial flagellum is "irreducibly complex." The actual details of Miller's article and Dembski's counter argument are not crucial here. Briefly, Miller points to the "type III secretory system" (TTSS) of bacteria as evidence that the flagellum may not be irreducibly complex. One way disease causing bacteria attack their hosts is by the production of protein toxins. However, in addition to producing the toxins, they must also efficiently inject them across cell membranes into the hosts. The TTSS is a specialized protein secretory system that allows the bacteria to move proteins directly into the cytoplasm of a host cell.

Miller points out, though, that "the proteins of the TTSS are directly homologous to the proteins in the basal portion of the bacterial flagellum." In other words, it is not unreasonable to suppose that, even if the flagellum had major portions removed, the basal portion would still be able to operate as the TTSS presently does, leaving it with a function having a distinct evolutionary advantage. In other words, the flagellum is reducible without losing its benefit to the organism.

Dembski, in his online retort, advances the following metaphor:

. . . [F]inding a subsystem of a functional system that performs some other function is hardly an argument for the original system evolving from that other system . . . What's needed is a complete evolutionary path and not merely a possible oasis along the way. To claim otherwise is like saying we can travel by foot from Los Angeles to Tokyo because we've discovered the Hawaiian Islands. Evolutionary biology needs to do better than that. [4]

Not surprisingly, this bears distinct similarities to two of Behe's metaphors from Darwin's Black Box. The first of these is Behe's "backyard canyon" [5]:

Suppose a 4-foot-wide ditch in your backyard, running to the horizon in both directions, separates your property from that of your neighbor's. If one day you met him in your yard and asked how he got there, you would have no reason to doubt the answer, "I jumped over the ditch." If the ditch were 8 feet wide and he gave the same answer, you would be impressed with his athletic ability. If the ditch were 15 feet wide, you might become suspicious and ask him to jump again while you watched; if he declined, pleading a sprained knee, you would harbor your doubts but wouldn't be certain that he was just telling a tale. If the "ditch" were actually a canyon 100 feet wide, however, you would not entertain for a moment the bald assertion that he jumped across.

But suppose your neighbor -- a clever man -- qualifies his claim. He did not come across in one jump. Rather, he says, in the canyon there were a number of buttes, no more than 10 feet apart from one another; he jumped from one narrowly spaced butte to another to reach your side. Glancing toward the canyon, you tell your neighbor that you see no buttes, just a wide chasm separating your yard from his. He agrees, but explains that it took him years and years to come over. During that time buttes occasionally arose in the chasm, and he progressed as they popped up. After he left a butte it, usually, eroded pretty quickly and crumbled back into the canyon. Very dubious, but with no easy way to prove him wrong, you change the subject to baseball.

This little story teaches several lessons. first, the word jump can be offered as an explanation of how someone crossed a barrier, but the explanation can range from completely convincing to totally inadequate depending on details (such as how wide the barrier is). Second, long journeys can be made much more plausible if they are explained as a series of smaller jumps rather than one great leap. And third, in the absence of evidence of such smaller jumps, it is very difficult to prove right or wrong someone who asserts that stepping stones existed in the past but have disappeared.

Before going further, it should be noted that both these metaphors have a number of problems. As Miller states in his article (in anticipation of the counterattack by the Intelligent Design proponents), the arguments advanced by design advocates boil down to an 'argument from ignorance,' as well as an 'argument from personal incredulity.' They start with a claim (not always correct) that we do not presently know how evolution could account for a particular structure or function and then proceed to allege that the situation (which is often manipulated to make the "problem" seem more intractable than it is) is such that there is no conceivable way for biology to 'get here from there.' It is a double dose of logical fallacy.

Worse, their thesis, that we must posit an unknown "designer" every time we do not presently know of "a complete evolutionary path" for some structure labeled as "irreducibly complex", not only commits obvious logical errors, but is, in fact, a recipe to insure that any such gaps in our knowledge are never filled. If science were to adopt the "design hypothesis" as a methodology, what reason would there be to continue looking for the missing evolutionary path, since the answer already lies in an unknowable "designer"? To forgo the search for such answers, merely because of the failure of the imagination of a Dembski or a Behe, would be a tragedy.

Now that it can be seen that these analogies contain their own internal faults, let us turn to the larger question of how well crafted these analogies are and whether they truly correspond to the points they are purportedly making.Neither Dembski nor Behe is engaging in novel arguments here. Stephen Jay Gould, in his article, "Hooking Leviathan by Its Past" [6], discussing the then recent discoveries of Pakicetus attocki, Indocetus ramani and Ambulocetus natans, pointed out:

Every creationist book on my shelf actually cites the absence of and inherent inconceivability of transitional forms between terrestrial mammals and whales. Alan Haywood, for example, writes in his Creation and Evolution [Haywood, Alan 1985. Creation and Evolution. London: Triangle Books]:
Darwinists rarely mention the whale because it presents them with one of their most insoluble problems. They believe that somehow a whale must have evolved from an ordinary land-dwelling animal, which took to the sea and lost its legs . . . A land mammal that was in the process of becoming a whale would fall between two stools -- it would not be fitted for life on land or at sea, and would have no hope for survival.

The only "novelty" to Behe's approach in Darwin's Black Box is that he has moved the contention from the macro- to the micro-world. Despite the attempts of Intelligent Design proponents to distance themselves from creationists, it is clear that the analogies of Dembski and Behe are carrying on in a grand old tradition of creationist rhetoric.

Of course, as Gould was pointing out in the above article (with more than a little glee), such arguments are subject to having the alleged "gaps" filled by new discoveries. Amusingly, in addition to whatever discomfort the TTSS may cause him, Behe previously had fallen prey to the whales. Shortly before the announcement of the finds of the intermediaries between the land dwelling ancestors of the whales (then thought to be the Mesonychids) and the previously known intermediary, Basilosaurus isis, Behe wrote:

. . . [I]f random evolution is true, there must have been a large number of transitional forms between the Mesonychid and the ancient whale. Where are they? It seems like quite a coincidence that of all the intermediate species that must have existed between the Mesonychidand whale, only species that are very similar to the end species have been found. [7]

It must have been disconcerting to Behe when, within just a few months of that statement, a trio of just such transitionals were disclosed (and which have been added to since). As shown by Dembski's defense to Miller's article, however, the Intelligent Design adherents are as immune to embarrassment as their creationist compatriots. Indeed, as noted by Miller, in his online article:

. . . [T]he response of anti-evolutionists to such discoveries is frequently to claim that things have only gotten worse for evolution. Where previously there had been just one gap, as a result of the transitional fossil, now there are two (one on either side of the newly-discovered specimen) . . . The TTSS only makes problems worse for evolution, according to this response, because now there are two irreducibly-complex systems to deal with. The flagellum is still irreducibly complex – but so is the TTSS. But now there are two systems for evolutionists to explain instead of just one.

Clearly, Dembski's implication that discovering the link between the TTSS and the flagellum is like discovering the Hawaiian Islands, halfway between Los Angeles and Tokyo, is intended to imply just such a second gap.

Whatever anyone may think about their arguments that such irreducibly complex gaps may exist, the creationists' analogies are disingenuous because they build conceptual gaps into their very premise. Whether it is Haywood's "stools", Dembski's "islands" or Behe's "buttes", all these metaphors carry, within their own structure, the concept that evolution must proceed by "jumping" between one discontinuous living form and another. However, if the analogies were really intended to correspond to what evolution posits, they would model life as a continuum extending, without break, from the earliest living thing to what we see around us today. The fact that they do not, demonstrates that it is these metaphors that are "designed." They are specifically fashioned to imply the very discontinuities the proponents want to see; the "barriers" Behe talks about. They fail as demonstrations of conceptual problems within evolutionary theory, as they purport to be, because the analogies do not fairly model what evolutionary theory proposes. This is a form of the logical fallacy of 'begging the question'.

Another example of this is Behe's analogy about groundhogs crossing a road [8]. This analogy is a little subtler than his first one. Here he does not propose an analogy that already obviously contains the very "gaps" he is arguing for, as he did with the buttes, but, instead, talks of contiguous "lanes" of a highway. In the end, though, is there any difference?

Robert T. Pennock, in his book Tower of Babel [9], deals extensively with Behe's groundhog analogy and its failure to correctly model the actual underlying mechanisms of evolution. Thanks to his kind permission, Dr. Pennock's analysis will be quoted at length:

In a chapter entitled "Road Kill," Behe replays the story of unbridgeable chasms [raised in his "backyard canyon" analogy], this time with a tale of a groundhog trying to cross lanes of traffic, which purportedly illustrates a problem for evolution. He begins with a description of the automotive dangers groundhogs face even on a quiet rural road.

Usually you're driving along . . . when all of a sudden a small, round shape waddles out of the darkness into your lane. At that point all you can do is grit your teeth and wait for the bump. . . . The next morning all that's left is a little stain on the road, other cars have obliterated the carcass. Nature red in tooth, claw, and tarmac.

In Behe's next image the road has turned into the Schuylkill Expressway which is "eight or ten lanes wide in certain stretches" with thousands of times the volume of traffic. One can predict the next extension of the metaphor.

Suppose you were a groundhog sitting by the side of a road several hundred times wider than the Schuylkill Expressway. There are a thousand lanes going east and a thousand lanes going west, each filled with trucks, sports cars, and minivans doing the speed limit. Your groundhog sweetheart is on the other side, inviting you to come over. You notice that the remains of your rivals in love are mostly in lane one, with some in lane two, and a few dotted out to lanes three and four; there are none beyond that. Furthermore, the romantic rule is that you must keep your eyes closed during the journey. . . . You see the chubby brown face of your sweetie smiling, the little whiskers wiggling, the soft eyes beckoning. You hear the eighteen-wheelers screaming. And all you can do is close your eyes and pray.

This supposedly illustrates a basic problem for gradualistic evolution, which would maintain that the highway was not crossed all at once but one lane at a time. Behe says he has a better explanation -- God's intelligent design. Better? Let us put it in terms of Behe's story to see how the intelligent-design "theorist" must imagine how the groundhog crossed this uncrossable highway. According to IDCs, God's design is necessarily for a purpose, so we must suppose that the groundhog and his sweetie must literally have been a match made in heaven. Taking Behe's metaphor to its logical conclusion, what his alternative "explanation" comes to is just this: God must have sent down Cupid to fly the lovesick little fellow over to his sweetie. Even if we were to agree that the odds were greatly stacked against the groundhog's crossing the highway on his own, surely this is still a more reasonable working hypothesis than to jump to the conclusion that he got across by some divine airlift. . . .

Up to this point, I have accepted Behe's analogies and criticized them as presented, but I now want to suggest that they are not just misleading but also betray a fundamental misunderstanding of Darwinian mechanisms. Behe has made a terrible blunder in both of these two critical analogies.

Remember, his analogies are intended to function as criticisms of gradualistic Darwinian evolution. In both stories Behe describes a single organism who has either just purportedly crossed or is about to try to cross a seemingly impossible evolutionary gap -- the neighbor by jumping from one temporary butte to another across a canyon, the groundhog by setting out to meet his sweetie. However, according to evolutionary theory it is not individual organisms but populations of organisms that evolve. As we have seen previously, it is this mistake that makes some people think that evolution is wrong because we never see dogs changing into cats. We cannot think that Behe's groundhog is supposed to stand in the analogy for a population, for in the story we see others from his population, his sweetie waiting on the other side, and the carcasses of his dead rivals that litter the first few lanes of the 2,000 lane highway he must cross to meet her. One might forgive Behe this minor infidelity, but he compounds it by inexplicably leaving out of the analogy all of the very elements that do the explanatory work for Darwinian gradualism. Keeping in mind that it is a population that evolves, recall how the Darwinian processes operate: on the average those individuals in the population who are even slightly more fit to their environment will have a better chance than others to survive, reproduce, and thus pass on those fit characteristics to their offspring, who will then repeat the process, followed by their slightly fitter offspring, and so on. So how should Behe have told the story to make it a fair analogy?

Instead of having our groundhog prayerfully inching out where angels fear to tread, toward his sweetie, and past the dead bodies of his unsuccessful rivals strewn about the first few lanes of the superhighway, to represent the Darwinian picture correctly Behe should have had Mr. and Mrs. Groundhog and the whole great population of groundhogs striking out en masse. Behe is right that most would not survive even the first lane and if they continued straight on then fewer and fewer would be left after each lane. But wait . . . gradualistic evolution does not claim that a population just heads across a gap in this way. Rather it observes that Mr. and Mrs. Groundhog and those of their fellows who have successfully made it past the first lane (perhaps because they stepped just a little quicker than those who failed to make it) stop to have a bunch of kids. With the population now more or less returned to its former numbers, Ma and Pa then retire and leave the second generation to tackle lane two. The casualties still will be legion, but this time the whole group starts off being on average a bit fleeter of foot than the previous. Again, those whose slightly fitter characteristics allow them to survive the second lane and reproduce yield the race across lane three to the third generation. With each generation, new variations arise, and though in many cases these will hinder rather than help in the race, those few with useful new traits (not just increased swiftness but perhaps also sneakiness, better hearing, larger litters, and so on) will likely carry them forward to their offspring and in this way each generation -- naturally selected by the traffic -- will turn out to be better adapted to their dangerous environment. Mr. and Mrs. Groundhog never themselves cross the entire superhighway; it is their distant descendants, now quite modified, who will be found on the other side. If these descendants were to look back after their journey at the descendants of other groundhogs from the original population who never moved out into the highway environment, many would no doubt find it hard to believe that they are related as cousins to those slow and dim-witted creatures. However, one of them might, if he could, write a daring book like Behe's and argue that they are in fact descended from a common ancestor, but that their journey across was literally, and not just metaphorically, miraculous.

So, in this second case, Behe tilts the analogy not so much by building in multiple gaps for evolving organisms to cross, with some or all of them having to land at "irreducibly complex" states (and, therefore, unable to get "there" from "here"), but by making it appear that evolution has one, and only one, chance to cross an exaggerated gap in a single leap. The outcome is the same, however: a gap that cannot be bridged by "evolution" because it is not the theory of evolution that the analogy sets out to represent but, rather, a caricature. Giving Behe the benefit of all doubt, his analogy is, at least, so inept as to have, as its only virtue, its rhetorical effect. Unfortunately, Behe, Dembski and the other Intelligent Design advocates have had much success in this regard, out of all proportion to the value of the analogies and metaphors themselves.

These are, I believe, along with "the mousetrap," just the tip of the misleading metaphor iceberg Intelligent Design has calved. There are myriad examples Behe, Dembski, et al. have provided that can, and should be, shown for what they are: intellectual three card monte games.


[1] Behe, Michael 1996. Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution. New York: The Free Press.

[2] See, <http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/review.html>.

[3] See, "The Flagellum Unspun, The Collapse of 'Irreducible Complexity'" at <http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/design2/article.html>.

[4] See, "Still Spinning Just Fine: A Response to Ken Miller", at <http://www.designinference.com/documents/2003.02.Miller_Response.htm>.

[5] Behe, Darwin's Black Box, p. 13 - 14.

[6] Gould, Stephen Jay 1995. "Hooking Leviathan by Its Past" Dinosaur in a Haystack. New York: Harmony Books, p. 361-362. Also, see online at: < http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_leviathan.html>.

[7] Behe, Michael, "Experimental Support for Regarding Functional Classes of Proteins to Be Highly Isolated from Each Other." In Darwinism, Science or Philosophy? (Buell, J., and Ahern, eds.). Richardson, TX: Foundation for Thought and Ethics, 1994. Also, see online at: < http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/fte/darwinism/chapter6.html>.

[8] Behe, Darwin's Black Box, p. 141.

[9] Pennock, Robert T. 1999. Tower of Babel: The Evidence Against the New Creationism. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, p. 168 - 170.


173 posted on 02/13/2004 5:01:41 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Revolting cat!
Nobody's gonna make a monkey out of this cat!

Nobody has to. We were all born Homo-simians.

174 posted on 02/13/2004 5:01:42 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: The Raven
I can't wait until Jesus finally shows up and hashes out this whole mess........ I don't know about you, but I have a thousand questions for the man. :-)
175 posted on 02/13/2004 5:05:12 PM PST by Viking2002
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To: The Raven
I can't wait until Jesus finally shows up and hashes out this whole mess........ I don't know about you, but I have a thousand questions for The Man. :-)
176 posted on 02/13/2004 5:05:26 PM PST by Viking2002
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To: Dimensio
Fine. State what evidence I provided and explain how this evidence supports your position. Thus far you've not provided any coherent reasoning.

LOL. You can't comprehend it; so, it's gotta be a "lie" (previously) or it's "[in]coherent reasoning" (now). Now, I have an even greater appreciation for what Paul meant when he wrote about those "professing to be wise...".

Here, I'll recap for you...

128 posted To: newgeezer by Dimensio :
It was created just as it is. Somewhere in there, it says each kind produces offspring of its own kind (not something different).

Your evidence for this?

133 posted To: Dimensio by newgeezer :
Your evidence for this?

You quoted all the evidence I need [when you quoted the words in blue above]. Would it matter to you if I was to take the time to find the verse? (I didn't think it would.)

In other words (pay attention now), all the evidence I need is in a verse somewhere in the Bible where it says each kind [species] produces offspring of its own kind (not something different). See?

That you are willing to dismiss reality for your particular interpretation of the Bible is your failing

Fine. If you want to define what is "reality" (your particular interpretation of it, that is), have at it. That -- if I may be so bold (you were, so why not?) -- is your failing. I can assure you I'll be happy with my "failing" to the very end.

177 posted on 02/13/2004 5:12:40 PM PST by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. words mean things!)
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To: The Raven
I don't see how it is considered an attack on free speech to want what has been proven to be blatantly false concepts removed from textbooks.

Examples:

Gills on human fetuses
Geological column
Vestigal organs
leftover legs on whales

There are many more such examples but they are in our textbooks even though they were found to be false long ago. The real issue is the stupidity that passes for an education in schools all across America.
178 posted on 02/13/2004 5:18:34 PM PST by kuma
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To: Ichneumon
A long read, but a very good one.
179 posted on 02/13/2004 5:24:16 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: kuma
I don't see how it is considered an attack on free speech to want what has been proven to be blatantly false concepts removed from textbooks.

Examples:

Gills on human fetuses Geological column Vestigal organs leftover legs on whales


Only the first of your examples is false.
180 posted on 02/13/2004 5:33:10 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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