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Kerry speaks about HIS War Crimes
Meet The Press (via U. Virginia) ^ | Jan. 17 2004

Posted on 02/13/2004 1:08:48 PM PST by jmstein7

Portion of John Kerry remarks on NBC's "Meet the Press" May 6, 2001:

MR. RUSSERT: You mentioned you're a military guy. There's been a lot of discussion about Bob Kerrey, your former Democratic colleague in the Senate, about his talking about his anguish about what happened in Vietnam. You were on this program 30 years ago as a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. And we went back and have an audiotape of that and some still photos. And your comments are particularly timely in this overall discussion of Bob Kerrey. And I'd like for you to listen to those with our audience and then try to put that war into some context:

(Audiotape, April 18, 1971):

MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

(End audiotape)

MR. RUSSERT: Thirty years later, you stand by that?

SEN. KERRY: I don't stand by the genocide. I think those were the words of an angry young man. We did not try to do that. But I do stand by the description-I don't even believe there is a purpose served in the word "war criminal." I really don't. But I stand by the rest of what happened over there, Tim.

I mean, you know, we-it was-I mean, we've got to put this war in its right perspective and time helps us do that. I believe very deeply that it was a noble effort to begin with. I signed up. I volunteered. I wanted to go over there and I wanted to win. It was a noble effort to try to make a country democratic; to try to carry our principles and values to another part of the world. But we misjudged history. We misjudged our own country. We misjudged our strategy. And we fell into a dark place. All of us. And I think we learned that over time. And I hope the contribution that some of us made as veterans was to come back and help people understand that.

I think our soldiers served as nobly, on the whole, as in any war, and people need to understand that. There were great sacrifices, great contributions. And they came back to a country that didn't thank the veteran, that didn't-I mean, everything that the veteran gained in the ensuing years, Agent Orange recognition, post-Vietnam stress syndrome recognition, the extension of the G.I. Bill, you know, improvement of the V.A. hospitals, all came from Vietnam veterans themselves fighting for it. Indeed, even the memorial in Washington came from that.

MR. RUSSERT: By your own comments, Bob Kerrey was not alone in doing the things that he did.

SEN. KERRY: Oh, of course, not. And not only that, we, the government of our country, ran an assassination program. I mean, Bill Colby has acknowledged it. We had the Phoenix Program, where they actually went into villages to eliminate the civilian infrastructure of the Vietcong. Now, you couldn't tell the difference in many cases who they were. And countless veterans testified 30 years ago to that reality. And I think-look, there's no excusing shooting children in cold blood, or women, and killing them in cold blood. There isn't, under any circumstances. But we're not asking, you know, nor is Bob Kerrey saying, "Excuse us for what we did." We're asking people to try to understand the context and forgiveness. And I think the nation needs to understand what the nation put its young in a position to do, and move on and take those lessons and apply them to the future.

MR. RUSSERT: The folks who oversaw the war, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger, you do not now 30 years later consider them war criminals?

SEN. KERRY: No, I think we did things that were tantamount that certainly violated the laws of war, but I think it was the natural consequence of the Cold War itself. People made decisions based on their perceptions of the world at that time. They were in error. They were judgments of error. But I think no purpose is served now by going down that road. I think, you know, the rhetoric of youth and of anger can be redeemed by the acts that we put in place after time to try to move us beyond that. And I think there are great lessons to learn from it. But we would serve no purpose with that now. But we have to be honest about the mistakes we made. We don't have legitimacy in the world, Tim, if we go to other countries, in Bosnia or China or anywhere else, and not say, "You know, we made some terrible mistakes."

And that honesty, that lack of a sense of honesty is part of what is driving people's anger toward the United States today. That's why we have the vote in the U.N. That's why people-our allies, too-are disturbed by this defense posture. You can't abrogate the ABM treaty and move forward on your own to build this defense in a way that threatens the perceptions of security people have. And if you build a defense system, Tim, that can do what they say at the outside, which is change mutual assured destruction, you have invited a potential adversary to build, build, build, to find a way around it. The lesson of the Cold War is, you do not make this planet safer by moving unilaterally into a place of new weapons. Every single advance in weaponry through the Cold War was matched by one side or the other, and that's why we put the ABM treaty in place, and that's why we need to proceed very cautiously and very thoughtfully.

MR. RUSSERT: John Kerry, we thank you for your views.

SEN. KERRY: Thank you.


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1 posted on 02/13/2004 1:08:48 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
Might want to send this as a tip to Drudge.

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2 posted on 02/13/2004 1:10:26 PM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7
Let's see if Mr Russet ask the same questions to F'ing Kerry when he next shows up on Meet the Depressed. Or does he stop by his local sporting goods store and load up on softballs?
3 posted on 02/13/2004 1:11:45 PM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: jmstein7

4 posted on 02/13/2004 1:12:17 PM PST by counterpunch (click my name to check out my 'toons!)
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To: jmstein7
Guilty, hang him..........Next!
5 posted on 02/13/2004 1:12:20 PM PST by tet68
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To: jmstein7
As I have mentioned before, Kerry is a BS artist of the highest order. Can you make anything out of the mush he was mixing? He's saying absolutely nothing. He stands by (some of) his statements but then again ... .I guess if it deserves any serious analysis he is now trying to excuse the alleged war crimes because they were based on "political decisions" that were a "natural" result of misguided "Cold War" thinking.

This man is a muddled headed fraud, Grade A. He still thinks the Cold War was a mistake, and that somehow it naturally caused war crimes in Vietnam, and somehow that would excuse the commission of war crimes. This man is not fit to be president. He's a phoney and a kook.

6 posted on 02/13/2004 1:19:09 PM PST by Williams
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To: jmstein7
"KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones."

Hiding behind the 'everybody does it" excuse for his misdeeds.

This man is a war criminal and a traitor to his comrades and his country.

7 posted on 02/13/2004 1:19:32 PM PST by LADY J
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To: PhiKapMom; MeekOneGOP; onyx
Kerry's Crimes Bump!
8 posted on 02/13/2004 1:19:49 PM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7
Again Kerry shows that he is no leader.

I was just following orders.

9 posted on 02/13/2004 1:23:06 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: LADY J
You sure get a lot of BS and nonsense in a single Kerry answer. He puts it all in a "sincere" wrapper, but he's an idiot. He's also criticzing us for building missile defenses because it upsets those who would attack us, and this is way after 9-11 and with the N Korean missile threat looming.

Important Reminder: This is a man who recently explained his opposition to all the Cold War weapons systems as follows. He visited Moscow once and saw the airport didn't have its phones networked in a modern way. Based on that he knew the Soviet Union was not a threat! Never mind their thousands of ICBM's, nuke submarines, huge tank armies, tactical nukes, etc. He made his decision based on the phone system at the airport he stopped in.

Republicans have to zero in on this stuff and make a laughing stock of him.

10 posted on 02/13/2004 1:27:32 PM PST by Williams
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To: autoresponder
Kerry's Crimes Bump!
11 posted on 02/13/2004 1:27:38 PM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7
He begins by telling us how terrible human nature is, then ends by claiming we should trust it through the UN.

This guy is a Marxian moral relativist from top to bottomus.

As on officer, he had a duty and obligation to report any departures from the UCMJ. But he failed in that, too. And he's figured out how he thinks he can have have everything both ways since.

Unprincipled. Devious. Unrepentent.

And now he'd be President.

God help us.

12 posted on 02/13/2004 1:28:02 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Republican Red
Kerry's Crimes Bump!
13 posted on 02/13/2004 1:29:58 PM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: All
Might want to send this as a tip to Drudge.

Go to www.drudgereport.com , scroll down, and post it in the text box that says "SEND NEWS TIPS TO DRUDGE".
14 posted on 02/13/2004 1:30:33 PM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7
What a load of crap.
15 posted on 02/13/2004 1:30:36 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: onedoug
Frankly, he admits killing at least one woman and a child in a "free fire zone." says he had "no choice." I'll say this, if any republican candidate admitted shooting a woman and child, the press would dissect their psyche until there was nothing good left. Can you imagine what they would say about the blood on his hands, and the type of mind that could say "I had no choice" afterwards? But if you're a liberal democrat you can rape and murder and it makes you more noble because you've "suffered."
16 posted on 02/13/2004 1:33:28 PM PST by Williams
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To: jmstein7
Basic points about Kerry:

Wrong about the Cold War

Wrong about Vietnam.

CONTINUES to apply his opposition to both wars to the War On Terror.

Is Hell bent on losing the Vietnam War all over again.

17 posted on 02/13/2004 1:37:27 PM PST by Williams
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To: jmstein7
MR. RUSSERT: Thirty years later, you stand by that?

This is pretty sharp questioning. We know that Russert tends to take it easy on Democrats in general, and Senator Clinton in particular. However, being interviewed by Russert is certainly no picnic for a Democrat.

Russert is the proof that media bias exists. If someone is relatively evenhanded, we can recognize it. The rest of the media, by and large, is far easier on Democrats, and aggressive towards Republicans.

18 posted on 02/13/2004 1:37:53 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch
Kerry also expresses the belief that we will have no credibility with Communist China unless we go to them and say "we made some terrible mistakes." This is STILL his prescription for dealing with a communist dictatorship. They must be salivating.
19 posted on 02/13/2004 1:41:15 PM PST by Williams
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To: jmstein7
SHOCKING difference in the tone of questioning for WAR CRIMINAL John Kerry, vs. Russerts questioning of President Bush!!!!
20 posted on 02/13/2004 1:41:15 PM PST by I'm ALL Right!
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To: I'm ALL Right!
Yes, consider that Bush's decision to go into the Nat'l Guard, even to malinger a bit if he did it, would never deserve as strong an examination as Kerry's actions in killing women and children in the same time period.

We can all "understand" why Kerry had to murder civillians, but we are unrelenting in dealing with whether another kid showed up as scheduled for stateside duty????

21 posted on 02/13/2004 1:44:18 PM PST by Williams
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To: Williams
Excellent comments and observations. You're spot on, and I love your description of him: "This man is a muddled headed fraud, Grade A. "

He is a colossal bore and a liar. Typical ambitious, arrogant democrat. Totally unfit to assume the role of CIC.
22 posted on 02/13/2004 1:44:34 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: jmstein7
BOOKMARKED.

I stayed up last night to watch Imus. Last time I'll watch or listen to Kerry. I'll have to read what he says. I cannot stand to hear him speak.
23 posted on 02/13/2004 1:47:10 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: jmstein7
"And I think-look, there's no excusing shooting children in cold blood, or women, and killing them in cold blood. There isn't, under any circumstances."

Having said this just how does he deserve the presidency?????? He goes on to ask for "understanding." Look, you either killed women and children in "cold blood" or you didn't. You can take it either way you want. Personally, I think he was full of it on the war crimes top to bottom but he's a liar and he can't admit he lied.

24 posted on 02/13/2004 1:47:57 PM PST by Williams
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To: Williams
" Look, you either killed women and children in "cold blood" or you didn't."

Russert sat face to face with a real baby killer.

25 posted on 02/13/2004 1:50:28 PM PST by LADY J
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To: jmstein7
Great American War Heroes.....


26 posted on 02/13/2004 1:52:27 PM PST by machman
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To: Williams
Is Hell bent on losing the Vietnam War all over again.

Bingo!

27 posted on 02/13/2004 1:54:27 PM PST by Mo1 (" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
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To: All
Might want to send this as a tip to Drudge.

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28 posted on 02/13/2004 1:55:15 PM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7
Here is an excerpt from a Boston.com article on Kerry. It involves a little Kerry history and his views on Nam BEFORE he went there. It seems to contradict what he told Tim.

Upon his graduation in 1966, Kerry was given the honor of delivering the class oration. Many at Yale noticed that this young man, on his way to becoming a commissioned officer in Vietnam, was critical of the war -- and the use of American military might against communist regimes.

``What was an excess of isolationism has become an excess of interventionism,'' Kerry said in the oration. ``And this Vietnam War has found our policy makers forcing Americans into a strange corner . . . that if victory escapes us, it would not be the fault of those who lead, but of the doubters who stabbed them in the back -- notions all too typical of an America that had to find Americans to blame for the takeover in China by the communists, and then for the takeover in Cuba.''

Then, in a sentence that harkened back to the Nazi aggression that his mother had fled, he said: ``The United States must, I think, bring itself to understand that the policy of intervention that was right for Western Europe does not and cannot find the same application to the rest of the world.''

The article can be found here: http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061503.shtml

29 posted on 02/13/2004 1:56:48 PM PST by petitfour
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To: jmstein7
btt
30 posted on 02/13/2004 2:05:34 PM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: jmstein7
"But we misjudged history."

Communist determinism bump!

31 posted on 02/13/2004 2:53:26 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Mullahs swinging from lamp posts.....)
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To: diotima
Ping.
32 posted on 02/13/2004 2:55:48 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: jmstein7
See also http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/02/11/2003098345

He now makes much of his decorations from the war in Vietnam, to appeal to centrists and conservatives, without reminding those audiences that he for long was a leader of Vietnam veterans against the war. Indeed, assiduous searchers, looking for his vulnerabilities, will find much of interest in that period of his life. For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.
33 posted on 02/13/2004 3:04:04 PM PST by RippleFire
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To: jmstein7
Thanks for the post !


34 posted on 02/13/2004 3:37:17 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats believe in CHOICE. I have choosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: Williams; jmstein7; MeekOneGOP; Mia T; Liz; Hon; Alamo-Girl; dixiechick2000; nopardons; onyx; ...
[PLAY "ONE FOR MY BABY" NOW]



Frankly, he admits killing at least one woman and a child in a "free fire zone." says he had "no choice."

I'll say this, if any republican candidate admitted shooting a woman and child, the press would dissect their psyche until there was nothing good left.

Can you imagine what they would say about the blood on his hands, and the type of mind that could say "I had no choice" afterwards?

But if you're a liberal democrat you can rape and murder and it makes you more noble because you've "suffered."

16 posted on 02/13/2004 4:33:28 PM EST by Williams



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I would love to get my mitts on that 1971 audiotape in a short clip .mp3 format or .wav format &/or that later TV videotape replay of it from "Meet The Press".

A 30 second .wav file clip can be quickly made from any videotape, even using a dinky WebTV Plus and VCR rig like mine.

Kerry told Congress that he never saw any atrocities personally himself.

But then, Kerry claims his killing of the young Viet Namese mother and her baby was a "no choice" incident so it was perfectly OK!

              

If we demand answers now from "war hero" J-FK he and his weasels will demand another Purple Heart!


35 posted on 02/13/2004 3:44:25 PM PST by autoresponder (THE KERRY LEGACY http://00access.tripod.com/Kerry.html BOND! http://00access.tripod.com/007.html)
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Posted here:

John Kerry Is A Self-Admitted War Criminal
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1074482/posts
36 posted on 02/13/2004 4:07:28 PM PST by Hon
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To: jmstein7; MeekOneGOP; nopardons; PhilDragoo; Alamo-Girl; dixiechick2000; Happy2BMe; potlatch; ...




scroll down below the top graphic

your FR post is on this page #4:

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http://00access.tripod.com/Kerry-4.html

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or start at page #1:

http://00access.tripod.com/Kerry.html


37 posted on 02/13/2004 4:15:14 PM PST by autoresponder (THE KERRY LEGACY http://00access.tripod.com/Kerry.html BOND! http://00access.tripod.com/007.html)
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BUMP
38 posted on 02/13/2004 4:15:21 PM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: jmstein7
bttt
39 posted on 02/14/2004 8:59:21 AM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: lainde
Dispel the "Kerry as-War-Hero" Myth Right Now! (CLICK HERE)
40 posted on 02/14/2004 9:22:18 AM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7

41 posted on 02/14/2004 9:41:19 AM PST by counterpunch (click my name to check out my 'toons!)
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To: LADY J; jmstein7
RE: "This man is a war criminal..."

This seems more than a little over the top. He appears to have been a liar and a coward, but war criminal? Vietnam was a mess, let's face it. We had lots of guys out of control over there, and the responsibilty lies with the leaders at the top, the Robert NcNamaras, et all.

It's good to know how Kerry won his silver star, and that his actions weren't exactly heroic. But calling him a war criminal? C'mon. Half the time our guys didn't know who friend or foe was. Guys did shoot Viet Cong women and children in these "free fire zones." The Vietnam war was a disaster all around, for everyone.

John F'n Kerry is not Presidential material, and George W. Bush definitly is. His consorting with Jane Fonda after the war, and his Senate voting record, etc. bears this out.

But we don't need to call him a war criminal. That's going too far, and smears a lot of guys who went to Vietnam, and came back all messed up, because of politicians who tryed to win a war, based on "body count."
42 posted on 02/14/2004 11:10:12 AM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: machman
Does this mean Kerry will have an egg dish named after him too? < snicker >
43 posted on 02/14/2004 11:35:36 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: jmstein7
This is a pretty good article, you might like it:
From:
http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml

{SNIP}
“…In the distance, an elderly man was tending his water buffalo -- and serving as human cover for a dozen Viet Cong manning a machine-gun nest.

"Open fire; let's take 'em," Kerry ordered, according to his second-in-command, James Wasser of Illinois. Wasser blasted away with his M-60, hitting the old man, who slumped into the water, presumably dead. With a clear path to the enemy, the fusillade from Kerry's Navy boat, backed by a pair of other small vessels, silenced the machine-gun nest.

When it was over, the Viet Cong were dead, wounded, or on the run. A civilian apparently was killed, and two South Vietnamese allies who had alerted Kerry's crew to the enemy were either wounded or killed….”
44 posted on 02/14/2004 12:26:49 PM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: jmstein7
The excuses he made for the atrocities he admitted committing are not too dissimilar from the "I vas chust followink orders" excuses used at the Nuremberg trials.

Didn't work for them, why should it work for Kerry?

45 posted on 02/14/2004 5:40:03 PM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: petitfour
he said: ``The United States must, I think, bring itself to understand that the policy of intervention that was right for Western Europe does not and cannot find the same application to the rest of the world.''

Sounds pretty racist to me. White people deserve our help, but not yellow, bronw or black ones?

46 posted on 02/14/2004 11:59:39 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: jmstein7
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47 posted on 02/15/2004 6:53:50 AM PST by jla
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To: jmstein7
Sunday afternoon I sent an E-mail to Chris Matthews of Hardball, with copies to Matt Drudge, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Joe Scarborough Re: "Can a hero become a traitor?" The same E-mail will be sent to other mediums. The E-mail asks specific questions that the Fourth Estate should ask of John F. Kerry. To wit, Who are the "Band of Brothers, and where are they today?" "Is JFKerry's book, The Young Soldier, part of the curriculum at West Point?" "What did North Vietnamese General Vo Nguyen Giap say about JF Kerry's protest movement?" Other questions were also posed.

For the moment I have precious little time, but it would be nice to have someone provide the specific dates of each military award presented to Kerry, and the time that it took for him to earn the "chest full of medals," as Terry McAuliffe alludes.

What is the criterium for the Silver Star? I believe it must be extreme valor. What are the chances of a serviceman earning three purple hearts in a relatively short period of time? Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!
48 posted on 02/16/2004 7:57:30 AM PST by LeFaux
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To: LeFaux; All
ALERT:

Hannity will be PLAYING the Kerry 1971 audio clip (I committed war crimes) on H&C tonight!!! Set your VCRs!
49 posted on 02/16/2004 1:41:52 PM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: tet68

I agree he is evil
he should die <;-}


50 posted on 08/25/2004 1:36:53 PM PDT by I-Hate-Kerry
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