1 posted on
02/17/2004 4:50:29 PM PST by
jmstein7
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To: jmstein7; onyx
Damn, trying to remember who else to ping...
For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.
Totally Clintonian!!!!
2 posted on
02/17/2004 4:57:58 PM PST by
TheSpottedOwl
(Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
To: jmstein7
" . . . created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets."
"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said.
Didn't Lt. Calley get crucified for killing civilians?
To: jmstein7
Explains why he felt he had to lie and accuse others of doing what he had done.
4 posted on
02/17/2004 5:01:17 PM PST by
AmericanVictory
(Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
To: jmstein7
"young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets."
War Criminal. He should have to answer to this.
5 posted on
02/17/2004 5:01:53 PM PST by
LADY J
To: jmstein7; PhiKapMom
For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets."We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.
Is there any corroboration for this?
6 posted on
02/17/2004 5:02:38 PM PST by
NonValueAdded
("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GWB 1/20/04)
To: jmstein7
"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. I suppose the English-as-a-second-language folks at the Taipei Times should be given some slack -- after all, I'm not exactly conversant in any of the various Chinese languages -- but it's straitjacket.
7 posted on
02/17/2004 5:03:33 PM PST by
southernnorthcarolina
("Yes, but other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?")
To: jmstein7
For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets. "We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage
...But if they become a front-runner for president, the whole ball-game changes. Their past is scrutinized with a fine-tooth comb.
Not if the bulk of American media has any say in it......
Prairie
8 posted on
02/17/2004 5:03:54 PM PST by
prairiebreeze
(WMD's in Iraq -- The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.)
To: jmstein7
Chilling.
9 posted on
02/17/2004 5:04:28 PM PST by
OldFriend
(Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
To: jmstein7
... Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets. Seems like Ketchup Boy was telling the truth when he admitted to committing war crimes.
Perhaps he was a bit trigger happy?
11 posted on
02/17/2004 5:07:25 PM PST by
rllngrk33
(Liberals are guilty of everything they accuse Conservatives of.)
To: Hon; RonDog; ALOHA RONNIE; PhilDragoo; Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
What if the real War Criminal, Kerry referred to after he returned was himself:
"The fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.
"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage."
Is this why he flipped out and became an anti war geek, after seeing his own War Criminal actions?
17 posted on
02/17/2004 5:17:46 PM PST by
Grampa Dave
(John F' Kerry! You are not John F. Kennedy! You're just another $oreA$$ puppet.)
To: jmstein7
" For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets. "
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HEY! They can't say this about The War Kriminal! Don't they know that he's a Highly Decorated Veteran? Who the hell is this Zumwalt anyway? Where are his papers? Did he complete his enlistment? What did he know and when did he know it?
18 posted on
02/17/2004 5:18:21 PM PST by
Rockpile
To: jmstein7
W. Scott Thompson is an adjunct professor at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University in Boston, and a former assistant secretary of state in the Reagan administration. He has visited Taipei eight times and now lives in Bali.Anybody know more about this guy Thompson?
These are very serious accusations
20 posted on
02/17/2004 5:18:49 PM PST by
mylife
To: jmstein7
Damn, you are doing some mighty fine research.......thank you SO MUCH for your efforts...I'm sure MANY, MANY of us here are bookmarking for use SOON....letters to editors, websites, ammo on boards.......
The greatest tribute we could pay to our VietNam vets who served so honorably and came home, not to parades and glory, but to be spit at and called "baby-killers"..is to keep John Kerry out of the White House. For every one John Kerry and his millions of dollars and notariety attained, there are thousands who did their duty and returned and expected nothing more than to pick up the pieces and go on with their lives, and never asked for anything more than some acknowlegement or appreciation for what they had done for their country!!
Ping your stuff to "backhoe" if you aren't already....he's keeping an AWESOME archive of all links J EFFIN KERRY!!
24 posted on
02/17/2004 5:22:26 PM PST by
soozla
(BUSH/CHENEY 2004**Send John "Effin'" Kerry back to Easter Island!!!!!)
To: jmstein7
bttt
To: jmstein7
BUMP
33 posted on
02/17/2004 5:32:40 PM PST by
MadMoo
To: jmstein7
["Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage. ]
Of course, that prediction was 'then' and this is now.
The Leftwing/lib Dems have created a political environment/history and modus operandi that is not beholding to any 'truth' that stands in the way of their agenda. . .
35 posted on
02/17/2004 5:33:09 PM PST by
cricket
To: jmstein7
young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targetsI have no idea if this is true or if Zumwalt even said it.
But, I doubt the Navy brass would have had any trouble corraling an over-enthusiastic Lt targeting civilians and non-military targets if they knew about it.
That said, if this is in any way true is this perhaps why we haven't heard a peep out of any of the men who served with him on his boats? There is no statute of limitations on murder as a war crime. If they were there and that happened - and if they didn't report it - they could be culpable in a UCMJ court right along with the over-enthusiastic Lt Kerry!
Perhaps there's more here than meets the eye?
50 posted on
02/17/2004 5:50:43 PM PST by
Gritty
(I am not now, nor have I ever been, a card-carrying member of John F. Kerry's "Band of Brothers"!)
To: jmstein7; onyx; TheSpottedOwl
He now makes much of his decorations from the war in Vietnam, to appeal to centrists and conservatives, without reminding those audiences that he for long was a leader of Vietnam veterans against the war. Indeed, assiduous searchers, looking for his vulnerabilities, will find much of interest in that period of his life. For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO),
Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets. "We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.
I thought Zumwalt was a good guy and in some of Kerry stuff their is praise from Zumwalt on Kerry which distrubed me wrong! because I thought well of Zummmy!
51 posted on
02/17/2004 5:51:43 PM PST by
restornu
( "Faith...is daring the soul to go beyond what the eyes refuse to see."J.R.R. Tolkien)
To: jmstein7
The Democrats seem to have found a baby killer they can love.
64 posted on
02/17/2004 6:05:03 PM PST by
moodyskeptic
(weekend warrior in the culture war)
To: jmstein7
Kerry's a war criminal and the press will not touch it. Judas Priest! The world sucks! We need a civil war in this country.
66 posted on
02/17/2004 6:08:34 PM PST by
mercy
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