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ZOT! I Ann Coulter good for conservatism?
The New York Observer ^ | 02/18/04 | Joe Conason

Posted on 02/18/2004 2:00:11 PM PST by paulsamuel1

Vile Ann Coulter smears a war hero Joe Conason - The New York Observer

02.18.04 - Finding the bottom of American politics these days is as easy as looking up the latest column by Ann Coulter. In fact, it’s the same thing. Her act may be wearing thin now that she has accused half of the population of treason, but don’t underestimate the kooky commentator. Just the other day, she again managed to shock the conscience of any decent citizen who happened to read her latest screed.

Her current target is Max Cleland, the former United States Senator who left three limbs in Vietnam. The courageous Mr. Cleland prevailed over his terrible injury, and the depression that followed; he was appointed Secretary of Veterans Affairs in the Clinton administration and then elected to the Senate from his home state of Georgia.

But Ms. Coulter considers him deserving of scorn and denigration -- and lies about his service, despite his sacrifice -- for one reason alone: Mr. Cleland is a Democrat who dares to speak out against the President.

There was a time when Republicans were the first to defend veterans and the last to attack anyone who had served, regardless of partisan affiliation. That tradition is dead, however, in part because so many of the party’s extremist leaders, who talk loudly about war, managed to avoid military service when their time came. George W. Bush, of course, served far from Vietnam in the Texas Air National Guard’s "champagne unit" at Ellington Air Force Base, apparently thanks to the intervention of his father’s powerful friends.

Now the Democrats seem likely to nominate John F. Kerry, the Massachusetts Senator who fought in Vietnam and came home bearing wounds and decorations. Conservatives already have begun to denigrate Mr. Kerry because he joined the antiwar movement when he returned. (The current Republican leadership had their own quiet little antiwar movement: They simply declined to fight, although they thought the war was being fought to save us from godless Chinese communism.)

Inevitably, Mr. Kerry’s war record will be compared with that of the man who calls himself the "war President." By publicly demanding answers about Mr. Bush’s spotty Guard record, Mr. Cleland attracted the malignant attention of Ms. Coulter.

"Max Cleland should stop allowing Democrats to portray him as a war hero who lost his limbs taking enemy fire on the battlefields of Vietnam," she writes, claiming that he "lost three limbs in an accident during a routine non-combat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. In fact, Cleland could have dropped a grenade on his foot as a National Guardsman. ... Luckily for Cleland’s political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam."

Denigrating Mr. Cleland became fashionable in Republican circles in the fall of 2002, when his opponents ran television commercials that flashed his face on the screen with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That ad offended The Gainesville Times, a daily newspaper in northeast Georgia, which called it misleading, offensive and "an irresponsible and repugnant attack on Cleland’s character and sense of patriotism."

But that repugnant ad helped Saxby Chambliss -- a pompous hack who had obtained several draft deferments -- win the Senate race against Mr. Cleland. According to the Coulter definition, that made the ad "patriotic."

What, then, is the truth about Mr. Cleland? On June 9, 1968, the U.S. Army awarded Capt. Max Cleland a Silver Star "for gallantry in action" at the battle of Khe Sanh, one of the war’s fiercest firefights.

According to the citation, he "distinguished himself by exceptionally valorous action. ... When the battalion command post came under a heavy enemy rocket and mortar attack, Capt. Cleland, disregarding his own safety, exposed himself to the rocket barrage as he left his covered position to administer first aid to his wounded comrades. He then assisted in moving the injured personnel to covered positions. Continuing to expose himself, Capt. Cleland organized his men into a work party to repair the battalion communications equipment which had been damaged by enemy fire. His gallant action is in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service, and reflects great credit upon himself, his unit, and the United States Army."

The 25-year-old captain had volunteered to help relieve the Marines and the Army’s First Cavalry Division trapped at Khe Sanh. The cited action took place four days before the explosion that ripped off both his legs and an arm. The accident occurred while he was disembarking from a transport helicopter, when he reached for a grenade that he thought had dropped from his gear. It had actually been dropped by a new infantryman who had "improperly prepared the grenade pin for easy detonation."

Yes, Mr. Cleland is a true hero. And those who would mock him don’t know what patriotism means.

COPYRIGHT (c) 2004 THE NEW YORK OBSERVER

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To: paulsamuel1


Me, I'm just waiting for Ann's latest column, which will be posted on World Net Daily in about ninety minutes!
81 posted on 02/18/2004 2:35:13 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: paulsamuel1
Let's see, democrats lie about republicans starving children, throwing grandmothers out of nursing homes, poisoning the air, label them as Nazis, and Joe "Clinton-butt-boy" Conason is worried about little ole Ann....Since when would Joe REALLY care if someone was HURTING our side?

He KNOWS she is effective and thus his "advise" to the GOP....If only 90% of the GOP membership had the backbone of Ann Coulter.
82 posted on 02/18/2004 2:35:39 PM PST by Moby Grape
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To: No Truce With Kings
...and tried to give Pat Robertson the flu by licking the doorknob at Robertson's campaign headquarters back in 2000.

That wasn't Conason, that was a jerk named "Dan Savage" as I recall. The first part, about spreading rumors regarding GHWB, is true, however.

83 posted on 02/18/2004 2:36:03 PM PST by WL-law
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To: BushisTheMan
Max Cleland and Larry Flynt are the same person.
84 posted on 02/18/2004 2:36:27 PM PST by wylenetheconservative
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To: paulsamuel1
Two points: Ann Coulter had the Cahones to take on a sacred cow in Max Cleland because Cleland was out there viciously attacking George Bush. Bravo for having the guts to do it. Second: Conason takes the "right" approach by striking back with (feigned) outrage.

The REPUBLICANS should learn from both. Politics ain't bean bag. It's worth fighting over. My take on Max Cleland is "if you don't want none, don't bring none." He was tough enough in Vietnam, he's tough enough to savage the Commander in Chief in time of war, so he should be tough enough to take Ann Coulter's response. The democrats love to ravage you to pieces and then cry about how "mean" you are to them.

85 posted on 02/18/2004 2:36:35 PM PST by Williams
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To: paulsamuel1
It looks like the left has given up on the "Coulter lies" fight and has settled for the "Coulter is mean because she exposes the truth" angle.
86 posted on 02/18/2004 2:39:02 PM PST by Jim_Curtis (Free Milosevic)
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To: paulsamuel1; Admin Moderator
Maybe I'm going senile, but hasn't this screen name been in use before?
87 posted on 02/18/2004 2:39:19 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Just because you cause confusion every time you open your mouth, that doesn't make you intellectual.)
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To: Viking2002

88 posted on 02/18/2004 2:39:59 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (It's not over till the intern sings)
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To: Williams
The gloves have to come off, no doubt about it. Cleland gets no sympathy from me because he has marginalized himself by becoming this poster boy for the far left. He lost in Georgia because he voted against the Dept. of Homeland Security at the request of big labor and because 2002 was a GOP landslide in Georgia. Instead of acknowledging that he lost because he put big labor ahead of America, he blames GOP "attacks" and seeks sympathy for his injuries. He already has been given his sympathy by the people of Georgia who elected him to a job he wasn't qualified for, US Senate. One only gets so much sympathy for blowing oneself up. He voted against America and was punished by losing re-election.
89 posted on 02/18/2004 2:42:57 PM PST by wylenetheconservative
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To: paulsamuel1
Looks like you picked the wrong day of the week to start sniffing glue.
90 posted on 02/18/2004 2:45:47 PM PST by SaveTheChief
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To: TheBigB; Zavien Doombringer; jriemer; MeekOneGOP; Constitution Day; mhking; ctlpdad; timpad; ...

Wrawr! Get 'em!

92 posted on 02/18/2004 3:04:37 PM PST by 4mycountry (If new people are newbies.... does that make me an oldbie?)
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To: paulsamuel1
Cleland was a worthless dip who voted against defendiung the nation. He is of Kerry's ilk, who were heroes, yes, but whose patriotism is, nevertheless, of very low quality.

I do not trust Cleland, and I trust Conason even less. I'll take Coulter's interpretation of events, which I've read elsewhere as well, as the truth.

93 posted on 02/18/2004 3:13:03 PM PST by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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To: paulsamuel1
Ann Coulter's vitriolic views may give conservatism a bad name.

Whoops! You're gone- but I'll answer you anyway.

We on the Right have been routinely, reflexively slandered, slurred, and villified for so long that the statement is meaningless to me. I'm tired of your childish nonsense.

I like Ann well enough, though she doesn't necessarily speak for me- her standing up to the Loony Left is always welcome, however.

Far as Joe goes? He's among this August Company:

-Liars-- and Sleaze, Incorporated... ( my files on the clintons and friends )--

94 posted on 02/18/2004 3:18:47 PM PST by backhoe (The balance of Common Sense is tipping toward Non-sense...)
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To: paulsamuel1
An article by Joey "Sink" Conason. LOL. Such an angry man. I almost feel sorry for him as his peers laugh at him behind his back....
95 posted on 02/18/2004 3:19:55 PM PST by eureka! (Hey Rats and Presstitutes, how's the turnout in the primaries? *snicker*)
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To: paulsamuel1
If Joe Conason
opens his mouth without saying a word, is it still a lie?
96 posted on 02/18/2004 3:24:32 PM PST by js1138
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To: paulsamuel1
Funny how Joe Conason had no problem smearing a war hero (George H.W. Bush) in 1992.
97 posted on 02/18/2004 3:25:54 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: Toonces T. Cat
I have no problem with her lambasting him for his policies as a Senator. But to suggest that he was sitting back at Saigon getting ready to grab a brew when his horseplay with a grenade cost him three limbs - which, btw, is exactly what she suggests - is an affront to this man's service. Of course, she also doesn't mention that the mission that took Cleland to Khe Sanh, and that led to the fateful helicopter ride, was one that he volunteered for. She owes him a correction and an apology. If she wants to paste liberals for playing fast and loose with the truth, she needs to show a bit of responsibility about printing the truth herself.
98 posted on 02/18/2004 3:27:24 PM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: paulsamuel1
"But Ms. Coulter considers him deserving of scorn and denigration -- and lies about his service, despite his sacrifice -- for one reason alone: Mr. Cleland is a Democrat who dares to speak out against the President."

This is the mantra. But as will soon be revealed she did not post a single lie. Everything she said in her column was quite true.
99 posted on 02/18/2004 3:30:43 PM PST by Hon
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To: Rummyfan
No, but I did. As has everyone who has actually looked into the matter. Go read Cleland's Silver Star citation for starters. Then go check where he lost his limbs. And check your history books and read up on a place called Khe Sanh.
100 posted on 02/18/2004 3:31:11 PM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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