Irreducible Complexity is an Obstacle to Darwinism Even if Parts of a System have other Functions

Discovery Institute ^ | February 18, 2004 | Michael J. Behe

[realpatriot71]

More "peer-review" nonsense - read it - it either is correct or not, scientifically, I don't need a group of a-holes telling me what is and is not science. Do you? Perhaps you need some more book time then?

[realpatriot71]

Miller's point was that the parts do have functions.

So? You can ascribe any function to anything, as Behe stated ANYTHING with mass could be a paper weight - therefore - no IC, right? Behe's point is that is doesn't matter if one of the proteins is also a proton pump - get rid of said protein and the flagellum ceases to work. It's simple, but much too honest for most.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Behe's point is that is doesn't matter if one of the proteins is also a proton pump - get rid of said protein and the flagellum ceases to work. It's simple, but much too honest for most.

You make my point for me. You've now defined everything in the universe as irreducibly complex.

Therefore by definition evilution can't be true.

[realpatriot71]

You make my point for me. You've now defined everything in the universe as irreducibly complex. Therefore by definition evilution can't be true.

Hmmmmmmmm, ya think?

[biblewonk]

Boy this is a very religious thread, especially on the evo side.

[edsheppa]

What a pile.

[whattajoke]

Spank'em Behe! Want to know why I believe what I do from a scientific point of view pick up Darwin's Black Box

Actually, I think your tagline better demonstrates why you believe what you believe, but that's just my opinion:

("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))

[whattajoke]

Behe is NOT a creationist. He's an honest biochemist - few and far between these days.

Oh yes, that's readily obvious by his ICR-published articles. Give me a break.

[whattajoke]

We should start a pool trying to guess which odd organism, morphology, or mechanism the ID crowd will pick up on next.

bombadier beetle, check
Eye, check
echo-location, check
flagella, check

Notice the bar keeps getting raised as they whittle their irreducible complexities down to nittier and grittier things. We'll be at Prions in a couple years. My guess is some sort of "mitochondrial energy source" nonsense next.

[Doctor Stochastic]

I this case, the bar isn't so much being raised as being moved to another place. Behe is changing his definition of "irreducible complexity" again.

[whattajoke]

Yeah... about the only irreducibly complex thing I know of is irreducible complexity itself!

Neat trick Behe has going.

[Doctor Stochastic]

I this case... should be In this case..

The spell checker said the sentence was ok.

[RightWingNilla]

bombadier beetle,

Was this a childhood favorite of yours too?

[whattajoke]

It's sad to see the indoctrination starts so young.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

You make my point for me. You've now defined everything in the universe as irreducibly complex. Therefore by definition evilution can't be true.

Hmmmmmmmm, ya think?

So we agree that ID is not science.

[balrog666]

by the by - Behe is NOT a creationist. He's an honest biochemist

He's a nutcase or a conman, take your pick.

[Jeff Gordon]

Any time you see Evolution Theory called "Darwinism" you know that a Crevo Crapper is around.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

They could just as easily recycle old arguments.

To Buckland Megatherium was an excellent creature to demonstrate the design of God for reasons which shall become apparent. Some years earlier, an almost complete skeleton of the extinct Megatherium had been brought back from the Pampas in South America. Its very grossness and bizarre structure made it remarkable. It was a good twelve feet in length, stood eight feet high, and had enormous feet a yard long. Being covered in bony armor with an unusual snout and interlocking teeth, it could not fail to attract attention. The Megatherium also gave a considerable challenge to any who wished to demonstrate design from its odd anatomy. That was a challenge Buckland could not resist.

From here:

Buckland

[Michael_Michaelangelo]

Festival of trolls placemarker.

[qam1]

We should start a pool trying to guess which odd organism, morphology, or mechanism the ID crowd will pick up on next.

bombadier beetle, check
Eye, check
echo-location, check
flagella, check

Hey, How could you forgot another IDers favorite?

My prediction is they will stick with the Flagellum because there are so many similar abbrevations like FliP, FliR, FliQ, FliH, FliJ, F0b, FliH, FliO, mota, motb that it makes it really sounds scientific and blinds the followers by confusion which makes it hard to come up with a counter arguement that the laymen can understand.