Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Bush for Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage-Source
Reuters ^

Posted on 02/19/2004 10:11:50 AM PST by The G Man



Feb 19, 11:54 AM (ET)

By Alan Elsner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush's political director has told a group of prominent conservatives that the president would soon publicly endorse a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

Bay Buchanan, sister of former Republican presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, told Reuters she was one of several conservatives who heard the message from political director Karl Rove two weeks ago.

"We were told by Karl Rove that the president would support the constitutional amendment -- not just that he would endorse it but also that he would fight for it," Buchanan said.

Specifically, Rove told the alliance of conservatives known as the Arlington Group in a telephone conversation that Bush would back the amendment being put forward by Colorado Republican Rep. Marilyn Musgrave and that his statement would come "sooner rather than later."

The proposed amendment would reserve marriages solely for "unions between a man and a woman." It would allow state voters and legislatures to determine if they want to legalize civil unions between same-sex couples but would state that no court can require states to accept such civil unions.

Buchanan said she and colleagues were a little concerned that Bush had not yet spoken out in favor of the amendment.

"We had expected it by now. There have been several opportunities for the president to speak out since that time. We're not sure what he's waiting for," she said.

In his latest comment on the issue, Bush said on Wednesday he was troubled San Francisco was issuing marriage licenses to gays and lesbians "even though the law states otherwise."

"I'm troubled by what I've seen," Bush told reporters in his first public comments on the flood of City Hall weddings that have made San Francisco the focus of the gay marriage movement.

"I have consistently stated that I'll support (a) law to protect marriage between a man and a woman. And, obviously, these events are influencing my decision," Bush said.

Amending the constitution is a difficult task. It can take years to win the support of two-thirds of the House of Representatives, two-thirds of the Senate and ratification by three-quarters of the states.

But conservatives have made the constitutional amendment a litmus test for Bush. Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry, says he favors civil unions for gays but not marriage.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arlingtongroup; bush43; fma; gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; marriage; marriageammendment; prisoners; samesexmarriage
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 141-146 next last
To: quadrant
He did. See #68 for just one example. He addressed it in his SOTU Address.

I keep pointing to this as the most public pronouncement he made on it. But he had said as much before that January day, and of course since.

But some seem intent on ignoring him and pretending he hasn't said anything.

For shame.
81 posted on 02/19/2004 2:43:47 PM PST by cyncooper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: quadrant
I hope those of you who are in favor of this amendment understand that it will take a widespread grassroots effort to pass this amendment.

Remember, the North American Man/Boy Love Association is homosexual.
Homosexual pedophiles who like boys from birth up.
They call their sex with young boys "love", too.
If homosexuals can marry, so can homosexual pedophiles.
They can then legally adopt young boys. Because of the Texas sodomy law, no social worker or police officer would be able to stop the molestations.
They'd legally be able to adopt their very own sex toys, and there will be no limit.
How many NAMBLA members just "married" in SF?

82 posted on 02/19/2004 2:52:56 PM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: Semper Paratus
THE Wedge issue. Can't see how this can hurt Bush or help any 'rat that gets in the way.

For Bush 41 it was the Flag.

For Bush 43 it will be the fag

Homosexuality has a way of destroying anything it touches: intellectual credibility, one's identity, families, churches, institutions, and relationships of all types.

Why not the whole Democrat Party this time?

As a wedge I see it carving their party to bits. Let's pull up a chair, pop the popcorn, turn up the volume and just revel in watching it all happen! Let the gays stick the sword into them and twist it -- or whatever else it is that they might more convenient.

Maybe Rove believes that this issue, handed to the Republican's on a silver platter and around which America can rally against as a clear and present threat to our way of life, has the possibility of destroying thr identity of the Democrat Party the same way that activity detroys the identity of those who engage in it.

This election isn't about jusy re-electing Bush. It's about destroying the opposition about as thoroughly as it can be done, so that more conservatives will be elected to carry forward a solidly conservative mandate at all levels --- starting in congressional legislation and seeing it all the way to the judiciary.

83 posted on 02/19/2004 2:53:34 PM PST by Agamemnon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Agamemnon
As a wedge I see it carving their party to bits. Let's pull up a chair, pop the popcorn, turn up the volume and just revel in watching it all happen! Let the gays stick the sword into them and twist it -- or whatever else it is that they might more convenient.

Moms and dads are watching. They're seeing the perverse world their kids might have to grow up in.
If they've never voted before, they will now.
This homosexual issue will scare the hell out of them. They'll be running to the polls.

84 posted on 02/19/2004 2:57:34 PM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]

To: concerned about politics
Yes he did. He told them to be fruitful and multiply, and subdue the earth. He also told humans to have lots of kids. That leaves the fetishist out.

But being fruitful and multiplying can mean many things to many people, imposing your current western cultural views upon the text is wrong. You and God must evolve with the times. He wants us to be fruitful in all our endeavors and multiply our love among all people because God is love. < revisionist>

85 posted on 02/19/2004 3:17:37 PM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: conserv13
I don't think the full faith and credit clause would apply.

You are wrong. This is exactly the case where the "full faith and credit clause" applies.

In MA, the new law legalizing gay marriage specifically states that any other state does not have to recognize it.

That they placed such a limitation in the law supports the case that they think such a "marriage" would otherwise have to be recognized by every other state in the Union, due to the "full faith and credit clause".

I live in Maryland where the age of consent laws are 16. If I went to Alabama where the age of consent is 15 (or whatever), married a 15 year old and brought her back to MD, my state would not necessarily recognize it.

Actually, due to the "full faith and credit clause", they would have to recognize it. That's why this is a federal issue.

86 posted on 02/19/2004 3:20:43 PM PST by TheDon (John Kerry, self proclaimed war criminal, Democratic Presidential nominee)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]

To: VRWC_minion
You and God must evolve with the times.

Nope. You're joking, maybe?
The word will never die. Gods laws are the laws of nature. All nature. He created everything.
The 10 commandments are the laws of human nature. When disobeyed, mans evil nature takes over, and mankind suffers.
Read the last page of Revelation. He warns people not to do it!

You read the Bible the way the liberals read the Constitution. Just change what you don't like.

87 posted on 02/19/2004 3:27:48 PM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 85 | View Replies]

To: DBrow
Assuming a Constitutional Amendment is ratified, what do you do with the many homosexual unions in existence?

Said unions would then simply become invalid.


88 posted on 02/19/2004 3:30:05 PM PST by rdb3 (Beware of the hand when it's comin' from the left; I ain't trippin' just watch ya step)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: DBrow
Assuming a Constitutional Amendment is ratified, what do you do with the many homosexual unions in existence?

Render them legally null & void.

89 posted on 02/19/2004 3:47:24 PM PST by Republic If You Can Keep It
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: quadrant
Getting this amendment passed the Congress and ratified by the states is going to be difficult

It should get an easy 2/3 in both U.S. houses.

As for the states, why wouldn't the same 38 states with DOMA/State Amendments also pass the federal amendment?

What would be the problem?

90 posted on 02/19/2004 3:51:57 PM PST by Republic If You Can Keep It
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: conserv13
The Constitution should not be amended over the definition of marriage.

The Constitution will be amended over the definition of marriage, it is just a question of whether unelected judges or democratically elected representatives do the amending. No written amendment means judicially imposed gay marriage sooner or later.

91 posted on 02/19/2004 3:52:03 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Fishing-guy
This ban on gay marriage can easily be done on the State level or in Congress.

Dream on. There's no stopping activist judges intent on imposing their agenda. The judges will change the Constitution whether you like it or not, and will make mincemeat of any statute on the matter, trumping it with a constitutional right, as they have done in Massachusetts.

92 posted on 02/19/2004 3:55:09 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: longtermmemmory
This is about recieving a public sanction of their private sexual behavior.

Thanks for being one of the few people who recognize the real issue at stake. I have said this over and over -- the issue is not freedom or discrimination but government promotion of behavior that many have differing moral views about.

93 posted on 02/19/2004 3:58:31 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Agamemnon
I can't be as sanguine about this issue for Republicans as you. I believe the government should not promote homosexual activity but should remain neutral, as there is no social consensus on its morality. However, there will be ugliness in this fight on both sides, with Democrats trying to paint any opposition as hatred, "homophobia", discrimination and denial of freedom. This is not accurate of course, but there will be some among the Republicans who will also use exagerrated rhetoric and despise the sinner and not just the sin. Maybe a majority of the country is for us, but I don't relish being wrongfully classified by liberals as a hater, which I don't believe I am. I simply have moral and religious objections to homosexual activity and don't think the government should encourage it. I don't wish to deny the freedom to act of anyone else who feels homosexual activity is fine.
94 posted on 02/19/2004 4:07:53 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]

To: concerned about politics
Nope. You're joking, maybe?

You must be missing my closing tags.

God doesn't change but like any science, theology changes and makes new discoveries all the time. What we Moses thought he heard God say and what the disciples heard Jesus say and what the prophets were told to write may not be really what God meant. After all, the cell phone service wasn't all that good back then. < /revisionism>

95 posted on 02/19/2004 4:52:15 PM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 87 | View Replies]

To: VRWC_minion
for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled.
28
And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
96 posted on 02/19/2004 4:55:52 PM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 95 | View Replies]

To: The G Man
I think this is a dumb idea. What we should do instead is an amendment to allow the House of Representatives to annul any decision of the Supreme Court like a parliamentary system.

It could only do so on issues involving a governmental conduct. Civil cases would be exempt.
97 posted on 02/19/2004 5:09:22 PM PST by GulliverSwift (Keep the <a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/">gigolo</a> out of the White House!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dog
Yeh and probably those 35% where the heathen DimRATS.

But I will totally support amending the constitution for this!
WTG. This will get him tons of votes come november.
98 posted on 02/19/2004 6:21:33 PM PST by stopem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Republic If You Can Keep It; rdb3
Perhaps. I suspect it will be settled in court unless the amendment spells it out.

The homosexuals have spent lots of time and effort getting the "correct" people in the courts.

I read somewhere that the Boston Globe and NYTimes lobbied hard to get three Mass judges seated, years ago, just for the dabacle we are facing now.
99 posted on 02/19/2004 6:58:52 PM PST by DBrow
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: The G Man
The President really needs to get some balls and start fighting for his constituents.
100 posted on 02/19/2004 7:02:26 PM PST by Conservative til I die
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 141-146 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson