"My own viewing of the film" + "Mel does a Tarantino job on Christ"

My own viewing of the film ^ | 2004 | 2 authors

[Saturnalia]

WFTR: Often, the people who were the most "enthusiastic" for their faith were also the most ignorant.

What do you think about this guy then: http://www.timecube.com/

[.30Carbine]

Thanks Dennis. I'll definitely not go to see it now.

There has been so much fur flying in the air over this movie. I've read so many opinions of those who have seen it, those who have seen parts of it, and many who have yet to see any of it at all. I've read Dobson, I've read Harvey, I've read Drudge, and I've read Limbaugh; I've read the NYT, the ADL, the AJC, and I've read the unnamed sources of the article that heads this thread.

I will see and judge its merit for myself,
according to the standards I live by and the wisdom God has given me for discernment.
This is what I've done with every controversy, every person, and every testimony since I came of age.

[.30Carbine]

A Freeper Review of The Passion of Christ

[lavrenti]

There is a historical record of the times. The internal dynamics of the two Jewish revolts bear this out.

Also, a better understanding of the ways of Roman rule might be helpful.

[lavrenti]

Well, yeah. The Romans were the big dogs, weren't they? So of course the priests were going to drag Him to Pilate for final judgment.

The descriptions in the NT, and the historical record of how Romans ruled their subjects lead one to interpet that a Roman dictator is not one to rubberstamp the decisions of a religous cult he failed to really understand.

He left every avenue open to Christ to get out of his predictament. The moment Christ spoke in terms that Pilate felt threatening to his position, and Rome's control of the province was what killed Christ. Pilate still left an opening, but the mob demanded the thief.

A handful of corrupted, colloborationist Jewish priests and a Roman satrap killed Christ, not the "Jews". Finally, though, it is clear it was Pilate's decision--alone.

Too darn bad the Nicean Council failed to take in the scriptures that described what happened to Pilate afterward. Had they been included, history between Christians and Jews may have been considerably altered.

Might have been true, considering the realism of the psychological responses and conflicts described in the manuscript.

[lavrenti]

Of all the players in the drama of Christ's execution, Pilate was the most complex.

I think our Orthodox and Arian Christian brothers and sisters know what I mean.

[kosta50]

If the movie did not come out, we wouldn't be having this discussion and all the heated and hateful words that you can now find on behalf of and because of this movie would not have been exchanged.

So, it is the movie after all that's at the root of this.

Comparing Mel Gibson's version of the Passion to Jesus' own work is a bit pretentious if not blasphemous, don't you think?

So much blood has been spilled in the name of Gospels and Jesus, I really doubt that that's what He had in mind. You should too. Unless you think that spreading the good news is best done with a sword...or a .30carbine.

[kosta50]

I think our Orthodox and Arian Christian brothers and sisters know what I mean

There are Arian "Cristians" still around?

[WFTR]

I think that guy must be joking.

[.30Carbine]

Out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.

[Saturnalia]

No, he really IS that crazy. They even invited him to MIT to "explain" his theories to them.

[WFTR]

I hope it was the MIT psychology department wanting to study him and not the physics department taking him seriously. Otherwise, it doesn't say much for MIT.

[lavrenti]

Yep. More than I thought. Surprised me when I read up on them.

Then there are the various sects in Iraq.

[Saturnalia]

Oh no, it WAS the physics guys and they had a wonderful time
listening to the crackpot spout off while professors asked questions.
Think of it as the equivalent of a bunch of little boys poking
something with a stick.

[repub32]

The High Priest and yes The ROmans, I didnt say every Jew killed Christ but some did join in the humilation from the crowds and the reasoning for Christ not taking his chance for that way out is Because it was to be that christ was crucified he new he was to die for our sins to keep this simple enough. Is it not true Jews dont believe (not all because there are christian jews) That Jesus was not the Son of God for exactly that "not saving himself".

[lavrenti]

It's actually a more complicated issue. Jewish guilt over Christ can be laid at the feet of Paul who, for various reasons, busted a move on that moment in Christian history.

Jewish sectarianism in that period is a garden of surprises, only now becoming more clear due to the translations of the Dead Sea scrolls and other discoveries. Their world was turned upside down by the two Revolts, and anyhow, the Priesthood was destroyed, never to return.

A mob is mob. Doesn't matter who is in it. So your point is made.

Jesus had no opportunity to save Himself. He had no choice but to answer Pilate as he did. If He did not, it would be a crime against His Father.

Anyway, it was all preordained. That's why it should never be used as a blame issue and that when I die, after I kiss the love of my life where the wild roses bloom and I tell my mother to *&^%$ off, I'm looking for Paul and getting in his face about this.

I'm not kidding. I'm seriously ticked at how "blame the Jews" sullied Western civilization for so damn long.