So How Far Did The Phoenicians Really Go In The Region?

Daily Star ^ | 2-23-2004 | Peter Speetjens

[keithtoo]

Know any Lebanese guys? My friend fits this description, so does my son's soccer coach, also from Lebanon. Its only a half-joke anyway, not to be taken too seriously.

[Sabertooth]

The account here of the journey of Hanno does not make sense to me.

After passing out of the Mediterranean through the Pillars of Hercules, he comes to Cerne, which is supposed to be Somalia? That's on the wrong side of the continent. Then he goes to Western Africa (Gambia or Cameroon) and captures gorillas? Did he take the trans-African highway?

[FreedomFarmer]

So how far did the Phoenicians really go in the region?

Nashville, where they made that album.

Hooked on..

[blam]

The Voyage Of Hanno

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

Excuse me, Cornwall is not England.

[2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten]

I had a friend from Rumania...he said there is an old Rumanian expression ... someone does a favor for someone else and the statement "How can I ever thank you" is made.

The reply is something to the effect of "not a problem, ever since the Phonecians invented money".

[blam]

"The reply is something to the effect of "not a problem, ever since the Phonecians invented money". "

So, what does it mean?

[Chris Talk]

LOL.

Cornishmen still a breed apart, eh? However, Cornwall has been legally a part of England for many centuries now.

If you have a good Pahsti (sp) recipe, you may freepmail it to me.

Best, c.

[2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten]

It means that if someone ever says to you "How can I ever repay you" your are basically saying "cash is good" - reference to the Phonecians supposedly coming up with the concept of cash (which may or may not be historically accurate).

[farmfriend]

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[JimSEA]

The Cousin Jacks may not have conquered the world but stoped and timbered it. :>

[COBOL2Java]

What furthermore speaks in his favor, is that no one believed his accounts of Amazons and a man-made canal between the Nile and the Red Sea, until archeologists proved both actually existed.

Archeologists proved that Amazons existed? Great Hera!

[Fedora]

Thanks, very interesting post. I have become increasingly convinced that the Phoenicians and Carthaginians are a key to putting together some of the missing pieces in the story of pre-Columbian America. One question I have on that which I'm hoping you or someone else out there may have some info on: are there any American Indian tribes that scholars have suggested have linguistic or cultural similarities to the Phoenicians? I've noticed a few things among the American Indians that stike me as reminiscent of Scythian/Celtic culture, which has led me to wonder if possibly these traits may have been transmitted to America via Phoenician trade. Any thoughts/links?

[Cronos]

Wasn't there something about one of the sources of King Solomon's temple treasures (Ophir) being on the West coast of india -- a land traded through the Red Sea? I think it would be pretty certain that the Phoenicians would have had trading posts in the Gulf of Aqaba to trade with Yemen, Ethiopia, East Africa and West India.

[Cronos]

There are web sites that claim they might have reached England as well. Vikings and Pheonicians were marvelous boat builders and accomplished sailers.

The phoenicians reaching Britain seems highly possible and regular trading seems equally likely -- after all the Phoenician legends DO talk about the islands of tin. As for them reaching America, possible, but not a regular trading occurence (though I'm again looking at it from a modern perspective -- the ancients would have thought nothin of a 3 to 4 year trading journey, carried out once in say 20 years or longer, like the Old Kingdom traded with Ethiopia c 2000 B.C.).

The Viking ships were more built for speed and attack, not trade. but they were great ship builders -- for different reasons than the Phoenicians -- getting away from their miserable, infertile, northern lands.

[Fedora]

Yes, the archaeological proof of Amazons continues to receive increasing corroboration:

[Cronos]

Yes, Carthage was originally a colony of Tyre.

[Cronos]

He says, that whenever you see a man from the Mediterranean region, whether from Lebanon, or Greece, or Italy, or France, Spain, Egypt etc. If he is short, pudgy and bald, "he is one of us", says my friend. It's kinda funny, but it may be true.

Very true. The Phoenician genes are supposed to be exceptionally strong in Sicily and Corsica.

[Cronos]

Excuse me, Cornwall is not England.

Ah, a West country man, eh? But Cornwall was 'officially' part of England. Cornwall would be the last refuge of the Brythons -- Arthur's forts are supposed to be there.

[No Truce With Kings]

"So How Far Did The Phoenicians Really Go In The Region?

Rigel 4; but only during the tourist season"

Actually, I got it from the head Phonician hisself that he regularly got to 2nd base on the first date, occasionally got to third, and once, even got a home run.

But I think that was with Dido. Everyone knew she was easy.