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War Is Declared (Li'l Andy Sullivan Hissy Alert)
AndrewSullivan.com -- The Daily Dish ^ | 2/24/04 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 02/24/2004 9:41:45 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

WAR IS DECLARED: The president launched a war today against the civil rights of gay citizens and their families. And just as importantly, he launched a war to defile the most sacred document in the land. Rather than allow the contentious and difficult issue of equal marriage rights to be fought over in the states, rather than let politics and the law take their course, rather than keep the Constitution out of the culture wars, this president wants to drag the very founding document into his re-election campaign. He is proposing to remove civil rights from one group of American citizens - and do so in the Constitution itself. The message could not be plainer: these citizens do not fully belong in America. Their relationships must be stigmatized in the very Constitution itself. The document that should be uniting the country will now be used to divide it, to single out a group of people for discrimination itself, and to do so for narrow electoral purposes. Not since the horrifying legacy of Constitutional racial discrimination in this country has such a goal been even thought of, let alone pursued. Those of us who supported this president in 2000, who have backed him whole-heartedly during the war, who have endured scorn from our peers as a result, who trusted that this president was indeed a uniter rather than a divider, now know the truth.

NO MORE PROFOUND AN ATTACK: This president wants our families denied civil protection and civil acknowledgment. He wants us stigmatized not just by a law, not just by his inability even to call us by name, not by his minions on the religious right. He wants us stigmatized in the very founding document of America. There can be no more profound attack on a minority in the United States - or on the promise of freedom that America represents. That very tactic is so shocking in its prejudice, so clear in its intent, so extreme in its implications that it leaves people of good will little lee-way. This president has now made the Republican party an emblem of exclusion and division and intolerance. Gay people will now regard it as their enemy for generations - and rightly so. I knew this was coming, but the way in which it has been delivered and the actual fact of its occurrence is so deeply depressing it is still hard to absorb. But the result is clear, at least for those who care about the Constitution and care about civil rights. We must oppose this extremism with everything we can muster. We must appeal to the fair-minded center of the country that balks at the hatred and fear that much of the religious right feeds on. We must prevent this graffiti from being written on a document every person in this country should be able to regard as their own. This struggle is hard but it is also easy. The president has made it easy. He's a simple man and he divides the world into friends and foes. He has now made a whole group of Americans - and their families and their friends - his enemy. We have no alternative but to defend ourselves and our families from this attack. And we will.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andrewsullivan; civilunion; gaymarriage; marriage
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1 posted on 02/24/2004 9:41:46 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The ancient Hebrews channeling male sexuality into heterosexual marriage laid the cornerstone for Western civilization.

The antithesis is just that.

2 posted on 02/24/2004 9:47:05 AM PST by onedoug
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Hey Andy, shaaaddddup
3 posted on 02/24/2004 9:47:57 AM PST by Rokke
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Andrew has no real foundation to stand on.
4 posted on 02/24/2004 9:48:25 AM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Well, I am with Sullivan on this: however desirable or undesirable gay marriage is, it is up to the states to decide. Conservatives who are in favor of the Marriage Amendment are as guilty of anti-federalism as Liberals would be if they proposed an amendment mandating gay marriage.
5 posted on 02/24/2004 9:48:44 AM PST by Grut
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
He is proposing to remove civil rights from one group of American citizens - and do so in the Constitution itself.

Gov't recognized marriage is NOT a civil right. A gov't issued LICENSE is required. You can't just up and marry if you want to marry a child or more than one person or a goat. It's a PRIVELEGE in secular and constitutional terms. A religiously recognized marriage is out of the realm of the gov't, but there are few churches that recognize gay marriages, and those are not entitled to gov't recognition.

6 posted on 02/24/2004 9:50:05 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rokke
Rather than allow the contentious and difficult issue of equal marriage rights to be fought over in the states, rather than let politics and the law take their course.....

What do these arrogant bastards know about the law?!

It is their very contempt for the law that forces us to seek an amendment!!!

7 posted on 02/24/2004 9:50:49 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"The message could not be plainer: these citizens do not fully belong in America."

He has absolutely nothing with which to back this up. He is just using the most alarmist language possible out of desperation. And by the way how does this hurt the families of gay people?
8 posted on 02/24/2004 9:51:19 AM PST by Betaille
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Little Andy just wants Our President to agree with his ""lifestyle."" If Bush gets this country back to it's CHRISTIAN roots he will have no problem getting reelected.
9 posted on 02/24/2004 9:52:42 AM PST by Soundman4x4
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To: Grut
Conservatives who are in favor of the Marriage Amendment are as guilty of anti-federalism as Liberals would be if they proposed an amendment mandating gay marriage.

Huh, I guess you are in favor for Mass. same sex marriage licenses to be valid in Idaho, where they are against same sex marriage.

10 posted on 02/24/2004 9:53:31 AM PST by Dane
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I wouldn't worry about him. I think he'll gain more people on this issue than he'll lose.
11 posted on 02/24/2004 9:53:43 AM PST by GiveEmDubya
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To: Grut
"Conservatives who are in favor of the Marriage Amendment are as guilty of anti-federalism"

Absolutely not true. Even the strictest federalists agree that some things are so fundamental that they must be put in the constitution. If the founding fathers had even the foggiest notion that marriage would be under attack the way it is now, this wo uld already be in the constitution.
12 posted on 02/24/2004 9:54:32 AM PST by Betaille
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Sorry Mr. Sullivan. I agree with you on some things, but with this you can't spin it to suit your own agenda. Homosexuals started this assault--they drew first blood. Traditional marriage defenders are doing just that--they are defending what is in the best interest of this country.
13 posted on 02/24/2004 9:54:48 AM PST by beaversmom
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Someone please help! I have steam coming out of my ears after a 15 min gay fest,Bush-bashing session by my coworkers. It took every bit of patience I had (and I don't have much) not to explode in anger. I would have lost my job!
I think it's going to be a 2 martini lunch.
14 posted on 02/24/2004 9:56:32 AM PST by sandpit
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Somebody has to say it:

Homosexuals are not being discriminated against. They are as free to marry a person of the opposite sex as anybody else is.

They are not free to marry a person of the same sex anymore than a person who doesn't like corners is free to draw a square without them. A square has to have corners to be a square. A marriage has to have two persons, one each of either sex, to be a marriage. Corners aren't enough to make a figure a square, and two persons, one each of either sex aren't enough to make a marriage. But without corners there is no square ... and so forth.

As it happens, some heterosexuals find themselves sexually attracted to people who are their spouses. This is not always the case. Kings often have not been permitted to marry those for whom they felt romantic affection. I wonder what per centage of all marriages in history were entirely at the choice of the couple who chose on the basis of affection. My guess is not many were like that.

But, it seems, for homosexuals, sexual attraction and affection are the most important thing. What they call marriage and what we know to be marriage are two very different things.

15 posted on 02/24/2004 9:57:06 AM PST by Mad Dawg (S&W 686P, Cougar 8357, Sigs - P226, P239, Taurus snubbie, Marlin carbine in .357 magnum.)
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To: Rutles4Ever
That's what I was thinking--it's not a civil right.
16 posted on 02/24/2004 9:58:29 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The president launched a war today against the civil rights of gay citizens and their families.

Andrew is simply wrong.

The secular religion of liberalism continues to attack the laws of this nation.

The flatheaded mayor of San Francisco breaks the laws of the state because liberalism protects him.

A rogue court in Massachussetts orders the legislature to make law.

Looks like it's high time for a revolution in this country.

When the rule of law starts to break down a shakeup of the troublemakers is far overdue.

Time to remove the bums who disobey their oaths of office!

If the silent majority were to get pissed enough to riot, the cathartic cultural cleansing that followed would be a work of art.

17 posted on 02/24/2004 9:58:36 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Sorry, Sullivan, the Constitution is no refuge for the likes of you leftists.

It rings hollow when you invoke it.

Leftists only feign respect for the Constitution when they try to use it to justify their consequence free abberant behavior - otherwise they treat it with utmost contempt and disdain.

They are nowhere to be found when it comes to respecting the Constitutional limitations on the powers of government and the rights of the individual over the rights of the state.
18 posted on 02/24/2004 10:00:10 AM PST by MrB
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Here!

Some cheese to go with his WHINE!

You labelled this article right. Hissy-fit indeed! What a crybaby! Hey, Andrew! You have the right to marry. No one is stopping you from marrying a person of the OPPOSITE GENDER so stop your whining!

19 posted on 02/24/2004 10:00:31 AM PST by Sister_T (Democrats AND The Lamestream Press are the REAL enemies to freedom in the world!)
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To: sandpit
"Someone please help! I have steam coming out of my ears after a 15 min gay fest,Bush-bashing session by my coworkers."

I am already moving back down south. I just don't understand the way people think in some parts of the country. On that note however, I think that if this becomes a major wedge issue between kerry and Bush... Bush will win a significant portion of the black vote. Why were there no African-Americans at the "African Americans for Dean" rally? Why are there so few African Americans at Kerry rallies? Face it, most African Americans have never hated bush the way most democrats do.
20 posted on 02/24/2004 10:00:52 AM PST by Betaille
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