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Missouri Supreme Court Upholds Constitutionality of Concealed Carry Law
KMBZ | Thursday, February 26, 2004

Posted on 02/26/2004 10:26:02 AM PST by TroutStalker

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To: Luke Skyfreeper; TroutStalker
Having read the entire opinion (but NOT being a lawyer) it strikes me that the our 'chief justice' was just plain trying to block the law any old way he could...am I reading too much into this, or is it time for us all to consider helping judge white find a new career?
41 posted on 02/26/2004 12:59:09 PM PST by ahadams2 (Anglican Freeper Resource Page: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican/)
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To: osagebowman; GulfWar1Vet; 300winmag; HairOfTheDog; Ramius
CCW Ping... I gets tuh start packin'... legally that is...
42 posted on 02/26/2004 1:03:38 PM PST by g'nad
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To: TroutStalker; Missouri; Agitate; El Conservador
YES!!! Big old Missouri Conceal and Carry Hooah Ping!

43 posted on 02/26/2004 1:06:58 PM PST by StarCMC (God protect the 969th in Iraq and their Captain, my brother...God protect them all!)
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To: TroutStalker
The states are doing so well with gun rights, but then you have schumer, feinstein, and boxer basically alone ruining it for everyone.

What a lousy system we have.
44 posted on 02/26/2004 1:07:56 PM PST by Monty22
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To: graycamel
ANYTHING to slap OTBob in the face. Gosh I am SO SICK of looking at him!!! Ugh!
45 posted on 02/26/2004 1:09:17 PM PST by StarCMC (God protect the 969th in Iraq and their Captain, my brother...God protect them all!)
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
Thank you guv-nor, for your concise erudition of the facts...good to know.
46 posted on 02/26/2004 1:14:37 PM PST by el_texicano
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To: g'nad
Legally is so much nicer! Welcome g'nad!
47 posted on 02/26/2004 1:16:44 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: TroutStalker
This is great news for Missouri. I hope they can get the funding issue for those 4 counties straightened out so the whole state can have CCW.
48 posted on 02/26/2004 1:30:13 PM PST by NRA2BFree (By working faithfully eight hours a day, you may eventually get to be a boss and work 12 hours a day)
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To: KC Burke; TroutStalker
Greetings, RE. #26 Sedalia is in Pettis County, Springfield is in Green County, IIRC

Regards

alfa6 ;>}
49 posted on 02/26/2004 1:53:43 PM PST by alfa6 (GNY Highway's Rules: Improvise; Adapt; Overcome)
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To: KC Burke
IIRC, the law also allows for both residents and non-residents over the age of 21 to possess a concealed firearm within their vehicle without a CCP.
50 posted on 02/26/2004 2:35:47 PM PST by TroutStalker (Whip me, strip me, tie me, fly me -- catch & release)
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To: Agitate; StarCMC; TheEngineer; Jesse from Missouri; FairWitness; deadmenvote; El Conservador; ...
PING.
51 posted on 02/26/2004 2:57:01 PM PST by Missouri
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To: TroutStalker
The Leftist at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and KC Red Star be crying a river over this.

Link to St. Louis Post-Disgrace article

Note that Ronnie White was one of the dissenting judges. No surprise here.

52 posted on 02/26/2004 3:07:11 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Missouri
From the Kansas City Star:


Concealed weapons OK in Missouri, but not Jackson County




The Kansas City Star

JEFFERSON CITY — The Missouri Supreme Court ruled today that most Missourians can apply for permits to carry concealed guns, but denied that right to residents of Jackson and three other counties.

However, the court's ruling in the contentious, decade-long battle over hidden handguns strongly suggested that a future lawsuit could block handgun permits in the state's other 110 counties and the city of St. Louis.

The Supreme Court voted 5-2 to overturn a lower court decision that had declared the state's new concealed weapons law unconstitutional. But, in an opinion written by Judge Stephen N. Limbaugh Jr., the court found that the new law violated the state Constitution on other grounds.

The high court's decision found that the cost of issuing permits violated the Constitution's Hancock Amendment by imposing an unfunded mandate on county sheriffs.

But the court ruled that it had evidence that the costs of issuing permits exceeded state funding only in Jackson, Camden, Green and Cape Girardeau counties. Therefore, the law regarding the issuance of concealed-gun permits is unconstitutional only in those counties, the court ruled.

The question of whether the permits are an unfunded mandate in other counties requires proof on a county-by-bounty basis, Limbaugh wrote. The court, he said, would not speculate about those costs and would not take up the issue of whether counties could voluntarily absorb the cost of issuing the permits.

In a dissenting opinion, Chief Justice Ronnie White wrote that the law should be held unconstitutional statewide because all counties will incur increased costs.

The law, enacted last September when the General Assembly overrode Gov. Bob Holden's veto, allows county sheriffs to charge applicants up to $100 for a permit to carry a concealed gun. But the law also allowed the money to be used only for training and equipment.

The Supreme Court ruled that the fee did not cover the costs of issuing the permits, which include additional personnel and the $38 charged by the Highway Patrol to check fingerprints and perform a criminal background check.

“Although some of the increased costs may be incurred for training and equipment and properly reimbursed from the (application fee), substantial costs may be incurred for other purposes, as well,” Limbaugh wrote. “If so, there is an unfunded mandate.”

Advocates on both sides of the issue called the decision a victory.

Richard Miller, a Kansas City lawyer who represented people challenging the law, said the decision means that all it takes is one person in each county to challenge the law. No county can avoid incurring significant costs in issuing the permits and the court has held that such costs are unconstitutional unless they are reimbursed by the state, he said.

“If counties start issuing permits, there is a plan to (challenge the law) if we are asked by any citizen in those counties,” Miller said. “We have the right to ask for costs and attorney fees from any county that loses. So (county officials) should be very careful about incurring unnecessary expenses before they attempt to issue any permits.”

Rep. Larry Crawford, the Centertown Republican who carried the bill through the legislature last year, said the decision simply allows some counties to choose not to issue permits to their residents. But residents of other counties who have permits will be able to carry concealed guns statewide.

In addition, the court found constitutional a provision of the law that allows anyone over the age of 21 to carry concealed weapon within the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle.

“We always said the car carry provision will take care of 90 percent of the people who want a concealed weapon,” Crawford said. “It will send a message to criminals that they ought to go to Illinois where citizens can't carry a (concealed) gun in their cars.”

Source: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/8048882.htm


Missouri's concealed guns law at a glance


Associated Press

Key elements of Missouri's law allowing most adults to seek permits to carry concealed guns:

APPLICANTS

Missourians at least age 23 may apply to their county sheriff for a permit to carry concealed guns. Based on Thursday's Missouri Supreme Court ruling that otherwise upheld the constitutionality of the law passed last year, permits aren't required to be issued in four counties that argued to the court that the permit process was an unfunded mandate: Jackson, Cape Girardeau, Greene and Camden. An applicant must be a U.S. citizen and either live in Missouri for six months or be stationed in the state with the U.S. military. Applicants must undergo state and federal criminal background checks and pay $100 for a three-year permit, with a renewal cost of $50.

DISQUALIFICATION

Permits are denied to anyone who has been charged with or convicted of a felony; convicted of a violent misdemeanor; or twice convicted of driving while intoxicated in the previous five years; dishonorably discharged from the military; is mentally incompetent; or is believed by the sheriff to be "a danger to himself or others."

TRAINING

Applicants must complete an eight-hour training course on handgun safety and marksmanship, as well as the safe care, cleaning and storage of firearms. The course must include a live firing exercise during which applicants must hit a silhouette target placed seven yards away with at least 15 of 20 shots.

LOCATIONS

Concealed guns are prohibited in police stations, prisons, courthouses, hospitals, airports, amusement parks and sports arenas that seat at least 5,000. Guns also are prohibited, unless those in charge grant exceptions, at schools, colleges, child-care facilities, churches, casinos and bars. Concealed guns are allowed elsewhere, unless private property owners conspicuously post signs prohibiting them.

VIOLATIONS

People with concealed gun permits who carry weapons into off-limits places cannot face criminal charges but can be asked to leave. If they refuse to leave, law officers can cite them with a $100 fine for the first offense. A second offense within six months is punishable by a $200 fine and a one-year suspension of the permit. A third offense within a year results in a fine up to $500 and a three-year revocation of the person's concealed guns permit.

RECORDS

Applications for concealed gun permits are closed to public inspection, and sheriffs are barred from releasing the information.

VEHICLES

Missourians at least age 21 can conceal guns within the passenger compartment of their vehicles without having to satisfy any of the requirements for carrying a concealed gun.

53 posted on 02/26/2004 3:24:25 PM PST by TroutStalker (Whip me, strip me, tie me, fly me -- catch & release)
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To: BOBWADE; Mrs Zip
Now what is OneTerm Bob going to do?
54 posted on 02/26/2004 3:39:47 PM PST by zip
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To: Mrs Zip
just saw your ping.. thx
55 posted on 02/26/2004 3:42:00 PM PST by zip
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To: TroutStalker
Of course the dissenting opinion was made by Chief Justice Ronnie White. White is the infamous subject of the so called racist accusations during the Ashcroft confirmation hearings for USAG, saying Ashcroft unfairly denied White an appointment on the Fed Court of Appeals because White opposed the Death penalty. But the contentions of the opponents was Ashcroft was racist. Of course we know Ashcroft was confirmed dispite the rants of the leftists rats in congress.

This ruling in favor of CCW is good news for Missourians.
But sounds like there will be a need for some funding in tough times, which one term Bob Holden is sure to block. Holden has already said he will issue exec orders to prohibit CCW on state property. There are more battles to be fought, but the news is finally positive.

56 posted on 02/26/2004 4:39:21 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: All
Bump
57 posted on 02/26/2004 4:57:10 PM PST by Politically Correct
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To: g'nad
CCW Ping... I gets tuh start packin'... legally that is...

Congrats. But wait until you see all the back-stabbin' and lyin' the liberals will be doing to make CCW seem like a failure. They're still at it here in Michigan four years after "shall issue" passed.

One avenue of attack here in Michigan is the list of disqualifications the new law has. Any misdemeanor conviction, even for littering, will disqualify. So will any hint of "mental illness". The RATs want to give the county gun boards the power to investigate applicants medical records, looking for even a single Xanax pill that a doctor might have prescribed.

58 posted on 02/26/2004 6:34:14 PM PST by 300winmag (FR's Hobbit Hole supports America's troops)
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To: TeleStraightShooter
"The words of the last clause are plain and unambiguous. Read in proper grammatical context, and giving the words their common usage, this clause does not prohibit wearing concealed weapons."

ROTFLOL!

Gotta love it. Bump

59 posted on 02/26/2004 6:43:43 PM PST by RJL
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To: zip
gotta love it!
60 posted on 02/26/2004 6:58:25 PM PST by BOBWADE
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