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To: ejdrapes
To those Christians who seriously believe "the Jews killed Christ":

1. The Crucifixion. Was it, or was it not, PREORDAINED?

2. Where would your religion be today if Jesus had died at the age of 75 of a heart attack?

3. Do you even have the slightest conception of what the crucifixion means? (If you answer yes, and you also believe that "the Jews killed Christ", then you're wrong, you don't have the slightest idea of what it means.)
15 posted on 02/27/2004 3:52:45 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
3. Do you even have the slightest conception of what the crucifixion means? (If you answer yes, and you also believe that "the Jews killed Christ", then you're wrong, you don't have the slightest idea of what it means.)

You really have no clue do you?

25 posted on 02/27/2004 4:00:22 AM PST by sirchtruth
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To: samtheman
Not exactly preordained - because humans have free will. The people involved in the Crucifixion didn't have to do it, they chose to do it.
34 posted on 02/27/2004 4:12:08 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: samtheman; kstewskis; lonevoice; GirlShortstop; Victoria Delsoul; Dr. Scarpetta; formerDem; ...
This is just breathless in its scope of pure hatred.

Here is someone who is lost spiritually.

"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do!"


35 posted on 02/27/2004 4:15:22 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( Freedom needs a soldier...)
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To: samtheman
(If you answer yes, and you also believe that "the Jews killed Christ", then you're wrong, you don't have the slightest idea of what it means.)

Please enlighten us...

133 posted on 02/27/2004 5:15:54 AM PST by carton253 (I have no genius at seeming.)
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To: samtheman
It was truly all of us who crucified Jesus - BUT....

It was the Jews that God chose, as his chosen people, to actually carry out the sentence. Does that mean we should "blame the Jews" ? Of course not. But any denial that the Jews had anything to do with the Crucifixion is just plain misguided.
162 posted on 02/27/2004 5:32:13 AM PST by TheBattman (Miserable failure = http://www.michaelmoore.com)
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To: samtheman; sirchtruth; Qwinn; Future Snake Eater
1. The Crucifixion. Was it, or was it not, PREORDAINED?

The statements made on this thread that "the Jews killed Jesus" I think ignore the above question.

If Jesus was God in human flesh (and I think he was) then it is just silly to think that ANYONE could do ANYTHING to him without his consent. when Jesus was carrying that cross up to Golgotha he wasn't shocked or surprised. When he was hanging there and stated "Father forgive them...", he WAS in that very event - the crucifiction - fulfilling the very reason that he was on earth.

Take a look at the Last Supper, or his last night in Gethsemane - he knew what was coming.

Knowbody hilled Jesus, He gave himself willingly - for us - for the entire world.

IMHO, any suggestion that ANYONE killed jesus is ignorant of the above.

Regards,

255 posted on 02/27/2004 6:32:15 AM PST by jonno (We are NOT a democracy - though we are democratic. We ARE a constitutional republic.)
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To: samtheman
To those Christians who seriously believe "the Jews killed Christ":

Don't even go there. The number of people who would dwell on this sort of thing are vanishingly small in the United States, and the film is not about that, in spite of the protests of Hitchens and his ilk.

They are merely trying to divert attention from the real point of the film to a manufactured side issue.

270 posted on 02/27/2004 6:40:28 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: samtheman
See the movie. This is all very clear in the movie. Jesus knows what will happen and always knew it and Mary knew it. The Jews are instruments of God's will, as is Pontius Pilate, as are the Romans who do the actual scourging of Jesus.
317 posted on 02/27/2004 7:39:30 AM PST by OneCitizen
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