1 posted on
02/27/2004 10:37:43 PM PST by
ambrose
To: ambrose
I get so sad when I think of all the children turned permanetly from the Chruch because of this kind of horrible victimization. How many go on to be gay as a result? How many more reject Christ? Will Hell be filled with these victims? I cannot believe it sometimes, I do not WANT to believe it, yet it happened.
To: ambrose
"Bishops are scapegoating gay priests and this is just a way for bishops to deflect tension from their inability to protect children in their care," he said. "Bishops are not using modern thinking when they say a gay man is more prone to having sex than a straight man." I tend to think a gay priest is much more likely to have sex with boys than a straight priest. But maybe I'm not up on all this "modern thinking" goin' 'round.
3 posted on
02/27/2004 10:46:16 PM PST by
ECM
To: ambrose
This can't be. After all, Leftists have told everyone for decades that homosexuality and pedophilia are totally separate. In fact, they've maintained that there's such a separation that anyone who would dare speak of a connection was himself a victim of a kind of crime, namely the crime of thinking untrue (and potentially emotionally damaging) thoughts.
You see, the truth about homosexual men isn't a pleasant one in many respects. It's better to leave certain details out, you know, so that the sexual revolution can advance, so that the Cause can continue. It's also best to frame the debate as one between "tolerance" and "intolerance." The truth doesn't matter. The agenda is what matters to Leftist liars and propagandists.
To: ambrose
Do we blame the institutions or those who compromise them? In the last 40 years I have seen a feminization of the church, beginning with the leftist activism of the 60's. Like other civil institutions the power structure was compromised as activists worked themselves into positions of responsibility.
To: ambrose
Wow. $650 million documented costs of buggery. It makes women look more and more like a bargain all the time!
Sounds like it's time for an exorcism. In all seriousness I extend best wishes for a recovery from, and rectification of, this scandal to my Catholic brothers in Christ.
The problem with the "Catholic Gay Group" and other "Christian" gay lobbies is this -- they daren't say it in public, but they believe that something good happened to those kids.
d.o.l.
Criminal Number 18F
To: ambrose
Bernard Goldberg, author of
Arrogance, writes about getting a call from a producer at CNN who called him about a problem with the way her network was covering the abusive priests scandal.
Over and over, as she told me, her colleagues insisted on calling the sexual molestations of teenage boys and young men pedophilia, which, in the common understanding of the term, it did not seem to be. Pedophilia is a mental disorder involving the sexual molestation of very young children. This was overwhelmingly the molestation of boys in their early to midteens.
Charlotte Iserbyt (sp?) author of
The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America writes
in 1999 the American Psychological Association (APA) felt comfortable publishing in its Journal a study suggesting that pedophilia is harmless and even beneficial if consensual. According to an article in the June 10, 1999 issue of The Washington Times, entitled Psychology Group Regrets Publishing Pedophilia Report: Practice Not Always Harmful, Article Said, the APA was taken by surprise when its report provoked angry public reaction, including a House of Representatives resolution condemning it. It followed up with an abrupt about-face in an apologetic letter to House Majority Whip Tom DeLay which expressed regretnot that it supported the idea of acceptable adult-child sexbut that the article had been published in a public journal.]
The CNN producer who called Goldberg made this point:
"It's not pedophilia," she said, emphasizing that this wan't some insignificant word game, that mental disorders wre one thing but what was going on in the church was quite another. "Sure, there were a couple of high-profile cases in the very beginning that were about pedophiles, a couple of men who raped eight-year-old boys. But that was completely different." What it was overwhelmingly about, she added, "was gay priests molesting fifteen- and sixteen-year-old boys. Those are the facts, and they are indisputable. It's just amazing how people around here are not getting it."
One can't help but wonder if all of the bells and whistles about gay marriage is the equivalent of a smoke grenade to obfuscate the question--since almost all of the priests involved were gay, and since almost all of the victims were adolescent boys, as the CNN producer suggested to Goldberg:
Our stories should ask the question: Why is that and could that be causing the molestation of these kids? And if so, then what do we need to do about it? Do we need to get rid of gays in the priesthood?
To: ambrose
Eighty-one percent of sex crimes committed against children by Roman Catholic priests during the past 52 years were homosexual men preying on boys,
Okay, I'll bite. Who committed the other 19%?
8 posted on
02/28/2004 12:40:23 AM PST by
Xenalyte
(NAKED!)
To: ambrose
The fact it was 80% homosexual encounters has been washed over by the media. They only are focusing on blaming the leadership. (both to blame but GEEEZ)
Will the catholic church now purge the homosexuals that remain?
To: ambrose
Gay priests cited in abuse of boysYou're kiddin'!
FMCDH
12 posted on
02/28/2004 1:39:11 AM PST by
nothingnew
(The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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15 posted on
02/28/2004 2:06:11 AM PST by
Mo1
(THE CUSTER CONSERVATIVES: "Not Smart... But Principled, Dammit!)
To: ambrose
I hate to see the pain in the face of my Catholic friends who are crushed by the infiltration of their church by deviants who's sole objective is to destroy it from within. In the process, those deviants are feeding upon as many innocent souls as they can get their hands upon. Whoever thinks Satan doesn't exist needs to open their eyes, he's open active thse days.
The Catholics I know are the most decent, kind and loving people I have ever met, period. I pray for them and that their fatih will remain unaffected no matter what the enemy does to their church.
17 posted on
02/28/2004 2:48:12 AM PST by
Caipirabob
(Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
To: ambrose
Decades of abuse + decades of multiple bishops moving multiple priests around + decades of cover-ups = CONSPIRACY at the Church's highest levels.
Seems obvious to me.
20 posted on
02/28/2004 5:10:36 AM PST by
AngrySpud
(Behold, I am The Anti-Crust ... Anti-Hillary)
To: ambrose
The Blue Army maintains that the third secret revealed to Sr. Lucia at Fatima was that the Church would experience a great apostasy and crisis of faith of a magnitude unseen since the Reformation began; and that this apostasy would be perpetrated on the Church from within, caused by a deviant one-third of the clerical class. I see more and more evidence of this happening every year.
Consider the damage to the Church that liberal clerics and their misguided policies have done with Vatican II. Consider the theological upheavals against traditional practice that are undermining the Church caused by this failed ecumenical attempt. Consider that the greatest charge leveled against Gibson and his "Passion" is his love for the Tridentine Mass.
Consider that so many of the most repugnant political figures in our country claim to be Catholics (Daschle, Leahy, Biden, Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi). Consider that the Catholic Church has always been in the pocket of the Democrat Party, which is the party of abortion, euthanasia, homosexual perversity, cloning, and so many other social pathologies. And that the Church continues to allow itself to be used by these people to legitimize themselves for political purposes.
The clerical class of the Catholic Church has certainly made a mess of things. We are definitely witnessing the iniquity of the mystery of evil in the Church today.
To: ambrose
"Bishops are scapegoating gay priests and this is just a way for bishops to deflect tension from their inability to protect children in their care," Welcome to Bizzaro world again. The only sure fire way for the church to "protect children" from homosexual abuse is to de-frock and expel the predatory homosexual priests---and that is precisely what they will not even allow to be discussed or considered.
Pathetic.
23 posted on
02/28/2004 5:41:18 AM PST by
SkyPilot
To: ambrose
What is truly shameful is that every catholic in America was unwittingly complicit in this pattern of behavior.
Every time a donation was given it enabled the crimes to continue. Over a half Billion dollars was squandered on the sexual lusts of 4,392 men.
24 posted on
02/28/2004 7:11:27 AM PST by
ijcr
(Age and treachery will always overcome youth and ability.)
To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.
Finally an article that tells it like it is - it's HOMOSEXUAL priests who molest boys, not pedophiles. And why? Because homosexuals notoriously are attracted to young adolescent boys thoughout history. It's part of the perversion. That's why celibacy is not the issue, homosexuals infiltrating the Catholic Church is the issue.
Let me know if you want on or off this ping list.
25 posted on
02/28/2004 7:26:50 AM PST by
little jeremiah
(...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
To: ambrose
There are "many outstanding priests of a homosexual orientation who live chaste, celibate lives," Mr. Bennett said, "but ... more than 80 percent of the abuse at issue was of a homosexual nature." "There's an incredibly incongruity of a man of the cloth engaging in this type of conduct. How did they get into the priesthood?" Mr. Bennett states a theory-that "There are many outstanding priests of a homosexual orientation", which contains two unproven antecedents, first, that "homosexual orientation" can be used to classify persons in the same manner that "male" and "female" can, and second, that the existence in a person of something called "homosexual orientation" is not a bar to being an outstanding priest.
The theory of #1 has to be true in order for #2 to be true.
If instead the teaching of the Catholic Church that a homosexual "orientation" is gravely disordered is correct, then persons laboring under this burden cannot possibly be outstanding as priests.
The 50 years of misbehavior exposed in this report is not encouraging for Mr. Bennet's theories.
30 posted on
02/28/2004 10:38:21 AM PST by
Jim Noble
(Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
To: ambrose
So married priests is obviously 80% not the answer.
32 posted on
02/28/2004 10:56:40 AM PST by
pax_et_bonum
(Always finish what you st)
To: ambrose
The review board does not advocate barring homosexuals from the priesthood... Respectfully, this is a mistake. A repentant homosexual who is free from the lifestyle, sure, but not an unrepentant homosexual, active or otherwise.
To: ambrose
Should anyone dare after looking at the results on this study question the Boy Scouts policy on homosexual Scoutmasters?
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