The Nation-State Is Finished

thenewamerican.com ^ | February 23, 2004 | William F. Jasper

[mrsmith]

It's just intriguing as a traditional way of handling an uncooperative dependent nation.

Annexation would require some force IMO, but that's beside the point.

[B4Ranch]

Dictators do not want to open their countries up to internationalists. Nor do they wish to support other countries unless there is immediate benefit for them which in most cases the United Nations is already providing with any criticism.

[tacticalogic]

Hey, lookie there, you've got dictators Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, and Robert Mugabee on your side:

"Guilt by association" - textbook propaganda ploy based on logical fallacy.

[jpsb]

I don't remember him even addressing the issue of illegal immigration. His campaign was based on reforming the federal government. Taxes, trade and SS. All of which are badly in need of reform. And none of which are being reformed by the current administration. Forbes would have been a great conservative president, and we badly need a conservative president. I still have not forgiven the bustbots or the Keys supporters for their unfounded attacks on Steve Forbes. Well they wanted Bush and they got Bush and we went from almost 300b in surplus to 500b budget deficit. 500b dollar trade deficits, new entitlements and jobless recoveries. Thats a lot bushbots.

[Sabertooth]

The nation-state is obsolete, eh? Good to see the author has channelled Strobe Talbot.

You didn't read the article, did you?

[glock rocks]

Steve Forbes: "We are a nation of immigrants, but our government is doing a terrible job on the immigration issue. As President, I will provide real conservative leadership on this critical issue. I do not support increasing legal immigration, except in the area of H-1B visas for high-tech workers to work side-by-side with American scientists and engineers. The real issue, however, is that the federal government is not protecting our borders and should compensate states as a result. The INS is rife with dismal mismanagement and badly needs drastic reform. We should more rapidly deport illegal immigrants. The Border Patrol needs to be beefed up and provided more manpower and state-of-the-art, high-tech equipment."

AP questions to candidates

... pretty close to W's answer.

[Helms]

Internationalist alert, ping !

[KC_for_Freedom]

Well, no doubt he would have been a great president, along the lines of Bush, (I believe, but with even beter financial credentials.)

As to his immigrant approach, I don't know how you can ascertaing them at this point, since he is not running for anything but I stand by my experience at the convention. Perhaps if can be verified that he was consulting Jack Kemp on this issue, we know Jack's position well. Was Kemp associated with the Forbes campaign? I think he was.

[tpaine]

It's just intriguing as a traditional way of handling an uncooperative dependent nation.

Annexation would require some force IMO, but that's beside the point.
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'Annexation' may be the wrong word, as many of its connotations imply a taking..

Why do you think a invitation for Mexican states to join the United States would require force?

[Ohioan]

Thank you for posting this thought provoking essay. My only complaint is that the writer treats the proponents of this form of the compulsive pursuit of an undifferentiated humanity, as "intellectuals." They suffer from a slightly different form of tunnel vision than the compulsive egalitarians--these folk mostly motivated by a desire for Corporate opportunities and profit, rather than the fear and compulsion driven pursuit on the Left--but their analytic powers are almost as defective.

Anyone with a modicum of common sense, can quickly perceive all sorts of long term problems, that will inevitably arise, to turn this new pursuit of a tower of babel concept into another total disaster. What they have already damaged, and damaged terribly, is the sense of a generation to generation continuum in many human societies. They are so lost in the perceptions of immediate advantage, they totally ignore the necessity for community--I mean real communities of real people, not the abstractions involved in conceptutalizing a "community of nations," etc..

For an obvious example of what I mean, the antidote to class warfare, which has always been the goal of demagogues who see it as a path to power, has always been in a sense of community, of common heritage, etc.. The small town industrialist, might have had problems with his work force, but nothing like the problems that the absentee mine owner had in the Kentucky or West Virginia coal mines. But when the neat little model of the Globalist Conglomerates starts to come apart, the chaos will be unlike anything seen, not even after the November Revolution in Russia, in 1917.

To say these pathetic theorists have a tiger by the tail, is the understatment of human history.

This is indeed the life or death issue of our century. We can humor the politically correct crowd and pretend that every body is really the same; that it is prejudice to prefer our own peoples over others; that we need a new racial and ethnic sensitivity to prepare for a brighter future, etc., etc., ad nauseum. Or we can wake up.

The Left screaming "xenophobia," "racism," "bigotry," has conditioned many Americans to try to avoid this issue. It is that reluctance which these non-ideological representatives of managerial avarice, on a Leftward tangent, are exploiting to destroy our societies. We need to wake up! The intellectually blind, combined with the old enemies, combined with the stupid, resentful and neurotic in our midst are going to destroy the America we inherited, if we don't.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
The Resource Center For Those Who Intend To Fight Back!

[KC_for_Freedom]

Why do you think a invitation for Mexican states to join the United States would require force?

I don't think force would be required. Some consideration that the ruling elites would not suddenly lose their empires maybe, but force? hardly. There is a lot of pride in Mexico, the people would need to be convinced that joining with America would not cost their states their pride.

[tpaine]

Needless to say, that question was directed at Smith..

It would be interesting to see the reactions of the Mexican ruling elite to a serious proposal to join our union.
-- They might consider just the idea to be an act of war, imo..

[Tailgunner Joe]

Give me a break. What makes you think they would vote to pay taxes into the pot when they can sit back and collect from our welfare state without lifting a finger?

[KC_for_Freedom]

Give me a break

Point taken, but they keep coming. It they were told that with a vote they could come here without border hastles what would they do? And don't forget all those people who have never tried to rush the border would believe they would be qualified for welfare where they are. It would be a lot like the reunification of Germany. Lots of problems, lots of costs but they did it.

That said, I am certain the problems associated with statehood for the nation of Mexico would not be minimal.

[Tailgunner Joe]

If the whole nation of Mexico could vote in our elections, what party do you think they'd vote for?

[William McKinley]

I was unclear on which author.

[KC_for_Freedom]

You know I don't know that Joe, I believe they would vote for an ammendment to stop gay marriage. I suspect poor people would suck over to the democrat party like they usually do, but a lot of people could be persuaded to support capitalism and a lot of values we believe in. Of course they would be coming in as states and could be democratic states at that but it would result in changes to the process of immigration. If it would work, better people than me would have thought of it. Don't you think?

[Joe Hadenuf]

Beware of HUD Secretary Jack Kemp. He's nothing but an open border, elite, liberal socialist, and spoke out against CA Prop 187.

Least we forget you Kemp. Spit!

[Paul C. Jesup]

We argue the emotional hot-button conservative issues while the foundation of the republic itself is lost to the stroke of a pen.

Bump.

[537 Votes]

We know Bush to be a man of character and compassion.

Read what the above article says about how Bush hid his immigration agenda from conservatives.

On what do you base the claim that Bush is a man of character and compassion? Do you know that for a fact, or are you going on . . . FEEEEEEELINGS.

Illegal immigration isn't honest policy disagreement. It's literally the collapse of civilization. And Bush is on the wrong side, and he deceived us. That's not honorable or compassionate in my eyes. That's a political sell-out, and there's no recovery.