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'Passion' shakes North Jersey clergy to the core
The Record of Hackensack ^ | 02.29.04

Posted on 02/29/2004 5:59:33 PM PST by Coleus

'Passion' shakes North Jersey clergy to the core


Sunday, February 29, 2004

One Catholic priest in Morris County was so appalled by Mel Gibson's "The Passion of The Christ'' that he described the film as "religious barbarism.''

But a Protestant minister in Harrington Park was so moved that afterward he drove to a park, where he prayed and sat silently for almost an hour.

Meanwhile, a rabbi from River Edge said the movie could bring Jews and Christians closer, despite the film's insistence that it was the Jews who pushed for the execution of Jesus.

Arriving in theaters last week on Ash Wednesday, "The Passion's'' harrowing vision of the final 12 hours of Jesus' life has struck a nerve in the landscape of American faith, inspiring countless believers, polarizing others, and giving fresh focus to interfaith activism.

The bloody, two-hour movie has outraged some Jews with its portrayal of the Jewish high priests as vicious, scheming power barons. And it has turned off some Christians who believe the film's sole focus on Jesus' violent death misses the essence of Christianity.

The film has also delighted millions of conservative Christians - who showed their growing clout by packing theaters coast to coast, helping make the movie a box-office bonanza.

Yet among clergy, the movie's supporters and critics can't be neatly divided along denominational lines.

The Rev. Jack Lohr, a pastor in Franklin Lakes who preaches a liberal brand of Christianity, said the movie startled him personally and raised fundamental questions for all Christians.

"For us who claim to have taken up the cross to follow Jesus, the film challenges any convenient or comfortable reading of the cost of discipleship,'' said Lohr, of the Presbyterian Church at Franklin Lakes. "I shall never again be able to sing the sweetly sentimental lines of 'The Old Rugged Cross' without a dreadful sense of irony.''

And the pastor at one of the most progressive parishes in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Paterson said the film woke him up to the realities of Jesus' death in a way that trumped years of Bible readings.

"It made me realize I've had a pretty sanitized view of what Christ did for me,'' said the Rev. Kevin Downey of St. Mary's in Pompton Lakes. "I've read the story so much, and felt I knew the story so well, that after a while, you take it for granted.''

One thing's for certain, "The Passion'' isn't going away. The movie took in $23.6 million on opening day, a box office showing that suggests the film could wind up in the same esteemed league as such screen classics as "Ben-Hur'' and "The Ten Commandments.''

But unlike those earlier religious blockbusters, "The Passion'' draws razor sharp theological lines that attract and repel.

The movie dwells almost entirely on Jesus' torture and execution, emphasizing that he chose death on the cross to bring salvation to mankind. The movie's violence is now notorious. Jewish leaders call for his death, mocking and spitting on him. Then Roman soldiers take over, whipping him over and over until the flesh is ripped from his back. Finally, his hands and feet are nailed into the cross.

The Rev. Kenneth Lasch, a veteran Catholic priest, said he was repelled.

"I saw it as religious barbarism ... in my opinion, God did not send his son to die,'' said Lasch, of St. Joseph's Church of Mendham. "God sent his son to live, to be faithful. And in being faithful, it cost him his life.''

Lasch, who saw the movie Thursday, also said the film's uncompromising, in-your-face approach reflects a growing divisiveness and belligerence within the major religions.

"As I was sitting at the end of movie I thought, 'This is not bringing us together,''' he said. "This is increasing the separation.''

Others share his fears.

Rabbi Neil Borovitz said he couldn't help but think about "Fiddler on the Roof,'' the classic musical about life in an Eastern European shtetl. The show, which had a revival open on Broadway the same week "The Passion'' reached the theaters, ends tragically with pogroms against the Jews.

"It was the claim of the Jews killing Jesus that inspired people to slaughter thousands of innocent people,'' said Borovitz, of Temple Sholom in River Edge. "I think Mel Gibson has taken a similar approach in this movie, and it's very bothersome.''

But Borovitz also holds out hope. He attended the movie Wednesday with Catholic and Protestant clergymen that he has known for years. And he points to a fresh round of interfaith activism in Bergen County that will make "The Passion'' the main topic of conversation. On Thursday in Teaneck, for example, two scholars, one Catholic and one Jewish, will speak to religious educators and clergy on the complexities of the crucifixion story and how to explain them to students and other lay people.

Borovitz said he respects the story of the Resurrection as the central narrative of Christianity. But he said Gibson has told the story in a provocative, manipulative, and mean-spirited way.

"I feel much more comfortable with the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops or the National Council of Churches teaching this story than I do with Mel Gibson,'' Borovitz said. "But Mel Gibson is going to reach more people than they will, and that's what concerns me.''

Many pastors found the movie so compelling they're seeing it again.

The Rev. George Kaden, of Community Church in Harrington Park, saw the movie Wednesday and drove to Van Saun Park in Paramus for 45 minutes of reflection. He is seeing the movie again today with his family.

"It's a film that challenges us to look in our own hearts and ask ourselves about our relationship with God,'' Kaden said. "Each person has to come to grips with what they are seeing and what they are wrestling with in their personal life.''

Others said the movie is transforming the season of Lent, the period of introspection that began on Ash Wednesday and culminates on Easter Sunday.

The Rev. Steve Giordano will preach about the movie in his sermon today. Giordano, of Clinton Avenue Reformed Church in Bergenfield, cited the movie's opening scene in which Jesus decides to face the cross rather than run from it.

"That's the same question that we face at the beginning of the Lenten season,'' Giordano said. "Are we going to accept the challenge of making a significant spiritual season, or is it just going to be business as usual?''

This article contains material from The Associated Press.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; christianlist; crucifixion; gibson; kennethlasch; lasch; melgibson; mendham; movie; priest; thepassion; thepassionofchrist
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To: per loin
I also liked the music. I didn't stay to watch the credits...my stomache was bothering me and I needed to go get some fresh air. Had I stayed, I would have wanted to know about that...but I figured that that info. could be easily found out later. Sounds like the movie, and every aspect, made a deep impression upon you, per loin.
221 posted on 03/03/2004 5:24:35 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Yes. Aesthetically, a masterpiece. Kinda like spending the afternoon at drift through the daydream visions of a Gaulli or a Raphael.
222 posted on 03/03/2004 5:37:08 PM PST by per loin
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To: per loin
or van Gogh or Monet? : )
223 posted on 03/03/2004 6:04:09 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: CyberCowboy777
This guy is a pastor? Death was an absolute must, core to the concept of the Messiah and foretold by the prophets.

I think he's losing it, probably why he is retiring.
224 posted on 03/03/2004 8:35:54 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus
in my opinion, God did not send his son to die,'' said Lasch, of St. Joseph's Church of Mendham.

For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many - Jesus.

Apparently the good reverend hasn't read much of the good book?
225 posted on 03/03/2004 8:37:52 PM PST by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: Preachin'
Thanks, make sure you e mail him and the bishop those bible quotes.
226 posted on 03/04/2004 7:55:04 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: SunkenCiv
"The Jews did not kill Jesus. Period. The Romans did. Anyone who at this late date thinks that anti-Jewish propaganda wasn't written into (or simply included in) the New Testament ex post facto is living in a dream world.

Furthermore, as Reverend Hagee says, the Jews are the people of the First Covenant, and are already saved -- "If He is a God who breaks his covenants, you can take this book and throw it out!"

Everything you have said is contradicted by Jesus in the book of Matthew. Jesus cursed the Jews....read for yourself. If you think this is all ex post facto propaganda then check out the O.T. It was all foretold there too. If you think the Jews are already saved then you do not understand sin or the gospel and 'who killed Christ' is the least of the issues you need to deal with.
227 posted on 03/04/2004 10:05:47 PM PST by vigilo
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To: Krodg
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Do you take this to mean that Jesus was not murdered? If you do, you are mistaken. He was murdered, and he layed down his life. There is no contradiction. Both can be true.
228 posted on 03/04/2004 10:09:12 PM PST by vigilo
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To: All
Lasch, who saw the movie Thursday, also said the film's uncompromising, in-your-face approach reflects a growing divisiveness and belligerence within the major religions.

"As I was sitting at the end of movie I thought, 'This is not bringing us together,''' he said. "This is increasing the separation.''

Matt 10:34-36 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. "For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; and A MAN'S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.

229 posted on 03/04/2004 10:14:52 PM PST by Terp (Retired US Navy now living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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To: Jeff Chandler
"Saved a very special and unique individual like me."

LOL - funny comment ; ). Unfortunately, it is very disturbing that a priest has so little understanding of the price Jesus paid for our salvation. Scary.

230 posted on 03/04/2004 10:17:40 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Lashing out" at Democrats since 1990.)
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To: Coleus
I wonder if this priests considers the sodomizing of altar boys to be barbaric as well? I seriously doubt that any man ever crusified, was crusified with the intense barbarism that Jesus endured.

The same voices that demand that the events of 9-11 be sanatized and kept from view, to keep the cattle placid, the news media, politicians, liberals, apostates, Hollyweird, now demand that the crisifixtion of Jesus be kept sanitized as well.

Of course they do, for in viewing reality, unsightly emotions might be stirred, and it's best to keep such emotions under tight control, lest one view himself as a sinner, or patriotic. Why, some in the population might reject moral relativism.

Others fear conversion of their own little herd. Well the horse is out of the barn now.
231 posted on 03/04/2004 10:28:21 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: winstonchurchill
My reply to: "You have a peculiar idea of how 'legends' are formed. For example, my wife and I were married for 39 years before she passed away last year, but I assure you that there are no 'legends' relating to our marriage. Why? Because too many people remember the events."

I'll take this to a ridiculous extreme to make a point.

So, no one at the time of your marriage considered that event to be worth reporting at the time? Everyone had to wait forty years to decide that you were married, because there was no written record that you got married - for forty years? There was no documentation produced at the time of your "alleged marriage"? And, no one ever heard of you or your wife, until forty years after your "marriage"? What kind of marriage is that? For forty years neither you nor your wife had a birth certificate, or even any other record that either of you ever even existed at all? And then, some forty years later, suddenly there were lots of people that remembered?

Things were different in antiquity.

Then, you stated, "BTW, the best scholarship supports the fact (my comment: the word "fact" is used rather loosely in this context) that the Gospels were written down within the same range of time from the events as the time frame of our marriage. Sorry, there are no "legends" in the Gospels. Too many eye-witnesses get in the way."

Really? I don't see a single one of them anywhere near me. Why didn't anything get written down at the time? Why did it take forty years for anyone to think this subject to be worth recording at all?

The bottom line is this: As in any event in antiquity for which there is no solid documentary evidence, we must go on the scraps of evidence that we have. And the only evidence we have is the four canonized Gospels, and fragments of a few more (commonly known as the "Lost Books of the Bible"). Actually, at one time, there were close to two hundred Gospels. Some of course, were pure fiction, and had to be discarded by the early Church.

I have no doubt that you have faith that the four canonized Gospels are for the most part correct, but it is in no way comparable to the evidence that we have today for current events. Most people today can read and write, and events are recorded for legal purposes. That was simply not the case in antiquity.

This is not to say that the events did not occur. But to think that current methods of recording events today are in any way comparable to the case in antiquity is quite a stretch of the imagination.

Judaism is a religion that is not based so much on faith. It is a religion based more upon our actions while we are alive in the universe that the Lord has created for us.

Jews believe that we will be judged by our actions, and not upon our beliefs or faith in any particular event.

So, to a Jew, whether Jesus ever existed or not does not matter much at all. What matters is whether we follow the commandments given by G-d, or if we were not made aware of them by our education, by our righteousness.

This leaves the pathway to the Lord open to all.

Even Muslims, Buddhists, and Polytheists. Judaism does NOT teach that it is an exclusive pathway. Maybe you can reach the Lord through Jesus (I bet you can!). That's not for me to say though, I don't know for sure.

A Jew believes that it is going to be what you do with your life that you will be judged by. And Jews are not even worried about going to Hell, which is a New Testament concept.

Jews have plenty of room for Christians, after all, Christians follow the teachings of a Jew. A pretty famous one, actually.

It's really to bad that Christians, Muslims, etc, don't believe in the multiplicity of pathways to the Lord that Jews believe in.

So, are the Gospels correct? I don't think it matters. What matters is what you do with your life, not how well or vehemently you propagate your particular religious teachings.
232 posted on 03/05/2004 4:07:19 AM PST by RonHolzwarth ((Jewish viewpoint here))
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To: winstonchurchill
The Jews DID kill Christ. That's part of what makes His death so hideous, He was done in my his OWN PEOPLE!!! The people who should have recognized Him and followed Him KILLED HIM!! I'm sad to see how little so many 'Christians' understand.

Well and truly said. The historical record speaks for itself.
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Jews under the influence of corrupt leadership.
Comparable to right now, the Corrupted Church, Home to over 10,000 pedophiles.

I am certain Jesus would head for that temple to break a few things. You know? Change is overdue there.

I believe this movie plays a role in a reassessment, towards reunification of Christian thinking. A "roots" movement, if you will.

The Church has become a symbol, and actual assistant to evil, on a wide scale.
This is not an indictment of the Christ, faith or the truth.
It is an idnictment of the failure of its human hierarchy, a beaureacracy determined to maintain its socio-economic status and power above all.

Jesus said they were not necessary, they were corrupt.

They are now, both.
as at the time of Jesus.

It is not about "who" or which religion, it is what indivduals chose, in error.
233 posted on 03/06/2004 5:06:01 PM PST by pending
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Y'know, I have more traditional Christian belief than this guy does, and I'm not even Christian... Not everyone Christ calls attends what is termed a "church", nor, at times, have they called themselves Christians. I know, as I am one such. Even today if pressed I at best call myself a "small c Christian"...

the infowarrior

234 posted on 03/06/2004 9:46:14 PM PST by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: sarasmom
How can one be a priest of any faith, and disbelieve? Read Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky.
235 posted on 03/06/2004 10:16:50 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: Bonaparte
I am apalled that a priest who makes an ignorant statement like this is allowed to preach to a parish. Doesn't he listen to the profession of faith as his parish recites it during every mass?
236 posted on 03/06/2004 10:44:13 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: VOYAGER
I personally think this guy is a moron.
237 posted on 03/06/2004 10:47:04 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: pending
Jews under the influence of corrupt leadership. Comparable to right now, the Corrupted Church, Home to over 10,000 pedophiles.

Stop it.

People see what they are in this movie. Those who see bigotry are bigots.

Those who see God's love and mercy are loving and merciful.

And the ones who point one finger have four pointing back....

238 posted on 03/06/2004 11:42:29 PM PST by freebilly
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To: jospehm20
Ken Lasch is far from ignorant. He's not just a parish priest, he's a canon lawyer. IOW, he understands the Word and the canon fine. He just doesn't accept it. It's my guess that he's altered the profession of faith his flock recites, bringing it into line with his heresy.

One thing in his favor is that he immediately reports every abuse allegation to the police. But that won't count for much when God asks him why he denied His Word and knowingly led his flock astray.

239 posted on 03/06/2004 11:53:33 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: freebilly
Three pointing back. Just a technicality.
240 posted on 03/06/2004 11:56:27 PM PST by Bonaparte
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