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Scientists counter Bush view: Families varied, say anthropologists
SFGate ^ | Feb. 27, 2004 | Charles Burress

Posted on 02/29/2004 6:41:00 PM PST by DemWatch

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:45:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The primary organization representing American anthropologists criticized President Bush's proposed constitutional ban on same-sex marriage Thursday and gave a failing grade to the president's understanding of human cultures.

"The results of more than a century of anthropological research on households, kinship relationships and families, across cultures and through time, provide no support whatsoever for the view that either civilization or viable social orders depend upon marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution," said the executive board of the 11,000-member American Anthropological Association.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: academia; civilunion; delusional; homosexualagenda; marriage; subversives
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1 posted on 02/29/2004 6:41:01 PM PST by DemWatch
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To: DemWatch
Headline: "Liberal F-ggot snobs Bash Bush"
2 posted on 02/29/2004 6:44:18 PM PST by Betaille (Seeing through moral relativism since 2002)
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To: DemWatch
This is a bogus propaganda piece from the "Queer Mafia" (their term, not mine). It is a complete lie.
3 posted on 02/29/2004 6:44:35 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Man rises to greatness if greatness is expected of him)
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To: DemWatch
Lots of these anthropologists come up with these stories to justify themselves to the young women they are hitting on every time they get out in the bush working on a grant!

Guess that makes them experts on what the President ought to say. Seems like we just got rid of a President who spent all his time thinkin like an anthropoligist on a field trip.

4 posted on 02/29/2004 6:45:05 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: FormerACLUmember
Exactly. They just make this stuff up. There has never been such a thing as recognized Christian same-sex marriages. This is complete garbage.
5 posted on 02/29/2004 6:47:35 PM PST by speedy
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To: DemWatch
Segal pointed to "sanctified same-sex unions in the fourth century in Christianity" and to the Greeks and Romans applying the concept of marriage to same-sex couples, not to mention the Native American berdache tradition in which males married males.

Christianity NEVER sanctified homosexual unions. To imply that "blood-brother" relationships were sexual in nature is dishonest. The Greeks and the Romans were accepting of homosexuality, but NEVER considered marriage as other than heterosexual. The Native Americans were not part of Western Civilization.

So much for these "scientists".

6 posted on 02/29/2004 6:47:48 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Why the long face, John?)
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To: DemWatch
Maybe one of these pink doctors should run for office.
7 posted on 02/29/2004 6:47:48 PM PST by reed_inthe_wind (Vienna said the middlemen come from Ger, Nether,Belg, S Af, Jap,Dub, Mal,USA,Rus,Chin,and Pak.)
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To: DemWatch
oh rats rear .............
8 posted on 02/29/2004 6:48:33 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: DemWatch
Nader, who is an association member, said Bush's proposal "serves the views of the religious right, and that has to do with getting votes."

As opposed to appeasing members of the secular and immoral Left who won't vote for him regardless?

9 posted on 02/29/2004 6:49:00 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: DemWatch
Oh yeah, If someone from Berkeley says it's so, then it must be true.
10 posted on 02/29/2004 6:49:12 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Intellectuals exist only if you believe they do. )
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To: DemWatch
LOL! Tell the anthropologist that they wouldn't be anthropologist if the species couldn't procreate.

LOL.

5.56mm

11 posted on 02/29/2004 6:49:21 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: muawiyah
Anthropology is not a science, it is documented gossip! The most wonderful thing was learning that Margaret Meads' book "Coming of Age in Samoa (I think)" was based on tall tales the natives told her because they were embarrased by her questions!
12 posted on 02/29/2004 6:49:27 PM PST by SubMareener
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To: DemWatch
"Fabrication" is just not laudry detergent cleansing process.
13 posted on 02/29/2004 6:51:44 PM PST by sirchtruth
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To: DemWatch
And as everyone knows, scientists are never wrong.
RIGHT!!(sarcasm)
14 posted on 02/29/2004 6:52:15 PM PST by airborne (lead by example)
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To: DemWatch
gal pointed to "sanctified same-sex unions in the fourth century in Christianity" and to the Greeks and Romans applying the concept of marriage to same-sex couples, not to mention the Native American berdache tradition in which males married males.
Neither the Greeks nor the Romans applied the "concept of marriage to same-sex couples." And what heterodox proto-Christian, most likely grrr-nostic sect "sanctified same-sex unions?" And who ever heard of the Native American "berdache tradition?" Were these unions the norm? Or simply normal? Or what?

This academic rube is reaching, and his or her reach exceeds his or her grasp.
15 posted on 02/29/2004 6:53:10 PM PST by Asclepius (karma vigilante)
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To: speedy
Yes, homosexual marraige has been the bedrock of civilization throughout all of history. The Berkeley Queer Mafia has spoken the complete scientific truth. </bullfeces>
16 posted on 02/29/2004 6:53:29 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Man rises to greatness if greatness is expected of him)
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To: DemWatch
If any of this daydream were true, it would have been blasted on headlines thirty years ago. Nice try, you fagging twits, but no sale here.

17 posted on 02/29/2004 6:55:08 PM PST by whereasandsoforth (tagged for migratory purposes only)
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To: DemWatch
Right! There's evidence in literature for marrying you mother and in history for marrying your sister, but it's still not a good idea to model your life after Oedipus or Caligula.
18 posted on 02/29/2004 6:56:06 PM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: FormerACLUmember
Funny how he did not name any of these famous same-sex couples. As the old saying goes, "Behind every great man is -- uh, er -- another man."
19 posted on 02/29/2004 6:56:45 PM PST by speedy
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To: DemWatch
What a bunch of goof-balls!
20 posted on 02/29/2004 6:57:21 PM PST by eeriegeno
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To: airborne
And as everyone knows, scientists are never wrong. RIGHT!!(sarcasm)

It's a well known fact (at least to me) that scientist are clueless just about everything

21 posted on 02/29/2004 6:58:13 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: DemWatch
Well, another professional organization down the drain.

Along with the APA, and ALA, and ....

Is there anything they haven't invaded? The Jackson Mississippi Police Association, maybe?
22 posted on 02/29/2004 6:58:30 PM PST by squarebarb ('The stars put out their pale opinions, one by one...' Thomas Merton)
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To: Asclepius
These people invent history.

Oh, well. They satisfy my thirst for knowledge....I'm off into the 'net to find about about these Native American berdache traditions.

I may be wrong, but I don't think this was ever addressed in any John Wayne movies.
23 posted on 02/29/2004 7:02:14 PM PST by baltodog (So, can we assume that a job that an illegal alien won't do must be REALLY bad?....)
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To: squarebarb
LOL.
24 posted on 02/29/2004 7:02:35 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: DemWatch
"Rather, anthropological research supports the conclusion that a vast array of family types, including families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies,"

Wonder why he doesn't mention any? The Greeks and Romans, both collapsed civilizations, are hardly good examples, and certainly not ones that would be considered 'stable and humane' by todays standards at all.

25 posted on 02/29/2004 7:04:09 PM PST by templar
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A Kucinich supporter... Well that fact certainly isn't relevant to the article LOL!

26 posted on 02/29/2004 7:07:14 PM PST by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: DemWatch
"The statement was proposed by Dan Segal, a professor of anthropology and history from Pitzer College in Claremont (Los Angeles County)"

Impressive academic credentials.
27 posted on 02/29/2004 7:10:00 PM PST by Redcoat LI ("If you're going to shoot,shoot,don't talk" Tuco BenedictoPacifico Juan Maria Ramirez)
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To: DemWatch
It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!
28 posted on 02/29/2004 7:14:20 PM PST by GaltMeister
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To: DemWatch
Why is it after three days Bush moved to protect marriage that homosexuals can research ancient Rome and come up with definitive answers that family was phucked up since time immemorial, but after three decades they still don't understand their promiscuous affairs shorten their lives by decades? That the male side. On the female side they get meaner and meaner until a junkyard dog looks like a pussy cat by comparison. The more that homos do promos, the more I get disgusted.
29 posted on 02/29/2004 7:16:47 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: DemWatch
Yeah Anthies we is talking about the history of civilized man not some collection of bones proving how savages lived
31 posted on 02/29/2004 7:20:07 PM PST by uncbob
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To: DemWatch
Wow! Go figure a bunch of athiest, leftist, intellectual elitists used skewed "proof" to disagree with the President. Who'd a thunk it?!
32 posted on 02/29/2004 7:20:29 PM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: Kaslin
Anthropology, especially at Berkeley, has no relation to science. You should hear my son the engineer get apoplectic at some of the socialist liberal arts professors he has had to stomach.
33 posted on 02/29/2004 7:21:18 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Man rises to greatness if greatness is expected of him)
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To: DemWatch
The anthropologists might be right that Bush has made an incorrect statement abut the universality of heterosexual marriage. Bue even if so, they don't really have a point that's relevant to the marriage debate. At least, not unless they're willing to concede to the slippery slope argument that once marriage is treated as a mere contract made by and for consenting adults, then other forms, more disruptive to the social order, such as polygamy, will have to be permitted. (Polygamy is of course far more common than same-sex marriage, found in almost half of all studied cultures.)

Also, the fact that some other culture permits something shouldn't mean much of a prescriptive nature to people who would of course object to the notion that we should change some other culture by imposing our values and lifestyle upon it.

34 posted on 02/29/2004 7:21:38 PM PST by DWPittelli
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To: DemWatch
sarcasm on ----It is amazing how well-timed such a "finding" is for those who wish to assail the institution of marriage. -----sarcasm off
35 posted on 02/29/2004 7:22:22 PM PST by ontos-on
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And a Nader supporter to give the story 'balance' LOL!

36 posted on 02/29/2004 7:24:43 PM PST by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: DemWatch
INTREP
37 posted on 02/29/2004 7:28:13 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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"families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies,

The society in Sodom and Gomorrah is still thriving isn't it.

38 posted on 02/29/2004 7:28:49 PM PST by daffyduct
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
You think they might start running commercials with testimonials -- I was raised in a Christian family and it was hell, just plain living hell, until at the age of 12 I ran away, I found a new family, they took me in, and I want you to meet my new family, Jim and Joe, who have been lovers for 10 years, Joe's mother and her lover of 30 years, Barb, and Barb's youngest son Eddy and his lover Mary who used to be a man but is now a women, and all our cats and dogs and.... I have never been happier and had more joy in my life, tears... I tell you this true story today, because right next to you in your neighborhood are children who you can reach also, who are trapped in Christian families, who have been taught to limit the possibilities of whom they can love, they are lonely, sad and - well it is time to reach out and spread the love around. .....
39 posted on 02/29/2004 7:31:38 PM PST by Esther Ruth ( We like the children all pink you know!)
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To: DemWatch
"Bush has cast the union between male and female as the only proper form of marriage, or what he called in his State of the Union address "one of the most fundamental, enduring institutions of our civilization."

Actually it is God who has cast the union between male and female as the only proper form of union. He commanded this through his REVEALED world. People without benefit of his word or those who ignore it, deny it or twist it, will form all kinds of improper sexual unions. No surprise there.

You can't force people of the same gender who want to get married, not to do it even though God forbids it. So IMO the legal recognition of gay marriage is inevitable.

I worry that if gay marriage is LEGALLY recognized it is going to be dangerous to teach your own children that regardless of what others are doing, God forbids it. I fear that it will be seen as the moral equivalent of racism. And people's freedom to pass their moral values down to their own children will be supressed.

40 posted on 02/29/2004 7:31:51 PM PST by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: DemWatch
So wealthy Romans considered their house slaves "family"? Not exactly a new discovery. I wonder how the slaves felt.

What exactly does this have to do with 'gay marriage'?

41 posted on 02/29/2004 7:36:10 PM PST by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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To: DemWatch
The "Greek vice" was popular in ancient Greece, and in some circles in ancient Rome, but that doesn't mean there was same-sex marriage; both cultures had prostitution too, but prostitutes were not wives. Nero apparently went through marriage ceremonies with two men, but that seems to have been regarded with bemused contempt by his contemporaries. The notion that Christianity has ever endorsed same-sex unions comes from a book written by an American homosexual scholar who is generally acknowledged to have misread the evidence.

Sodomy was practiced in some American Indian cultures--Bernal Diaz mentions it with disgust in his narrative of the conquest of New Spain. There's a "berdache" character in the movie Little Big Man. They existed, but that doesn't mean there were same-sex "marriages" in these societies.

42 posted on 02/29/2004 7:37:01 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Jeff Chandler
"Christianity NEVER sanctified homosexual unions."

Right and neither did Jews. What we are seeing is the deconstruction of the Judeo-Christian traditions of 1000's of years in favor of doing what pagan cultures have done. I don't think a lot of it can be stopped. The constitution did not anticpate this onslaught.

43 posted on 02/29/2004 7:39:44 PM PST by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: DemWatch
This is from the same people who told us in the 60's and 70's that divorce does not hurt children. We lost a whole generation over that one. So we are embarking on another grand experiment... gay marriage. Let's see how that one screws up the world we are leaving our children.
44 posted on 02/29/2004 7:43:31 PM PST by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: DemWatch
Anthropology, like psychology and psychiatry is pseudo-science and fit only for the dustbin.
45 posted on 02/29/2004 7:44:41 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: templar
Wonder why he doesn't mention any? The Greeks and Romans, both collapsed civilizations, are hardly good examples, and certainly not ones that would be considered 'stable and humane' by todays standards at all.

All dead. Wiped of the face of the earth. Exterminated.
Gosh, let's be just like them - NOT!!!!

46 posted on 02/29/2004 7:50:19 PM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: daffyduct
"The society in Sodom and Gomorrah is still thriving isn't it. "

No it isn't, but the lesbian society from which Wonder Woman came prospered for four seasons.

47 posted on 02/29/2004 7:55:40 PM PST by bayourod ( Kerry's 1st wife: $250M; 2nd wife: $700M; Mistress: priceless.)
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To: DemWatch
"a vast array of family types, including families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies,"

"Can", not "have". And only if there are a "vast aray" of heterosexual families to offset the perverts.

48 posted on 02/29/2004 8:01:03 PM PST by bayourod ( Kerry's 1st wife: $250M; 2nd wife: $700M; Mistress: priceless.)
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To: DemWatch
(LIBERAL COMMIE GREEN WEENIE) Scientists counter Bush view: Families varied, say (DISGUSTING HETROPHOBE) anthropologists
49 posted on 02/29/2004 8:12:03 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: DemWatch
Pagan marriage vs. Christian marriage.
 
Same old same old.
 
Ps 106:35-39
35 but they mingled with the nations and adopted their customs.
36 They worshiped their idols, which became a snare to them.
37 They sacrificed their sons and their daughters to demons.
38 They shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters,
     whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, and the land was desecrated by their blood.
39 They defiled themselves by what they did; by their deeds they prostituted themselves.
 
 

50 posted on 02/29/2004 8:36:19 PM PST by VxH (This species has amused itself to death.)
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