Posted on 03/02/2004 3:55:47 AM PST by ZeitgeistSurfer
Then your accusation implies that you think that any potential abuse of Congresss power to wage war makes the founding fathers aggressors, and abuse of the general welfare and the interstate commerce clauses makes the founding fathers socialist. Brilliant
"But don't come around here lecturing the rest of us about freedom to choose"
Say the same to the minority if we turn into another social democracy after we elects to tax us to the verge of economic stagnation. Judges found it constitutional, so it must be proper by your reasoning.
" our independence and security, which is rooted in our manufacturing base. "
Nonsense, our independence and security is rooted in our freedom and courage to defend it from shortterm gain. If you believe that the highest paid jobs are going overseas youre falling for the deception of our political opposition.
" What,pray tell, are we giving them? "
Opportunity to compete. A few contracts. Lets see if they can complete them.
" Ha! Ha! You should hear what the average Chinese person has to say about America and Americans "
I wonder if they average Chinese person could distance himself from his emotions long enough to see that this thread is about India and Taiwan, not China which is a different issue. If so, you could learn something from him.
I admire your ability to differentiate economic crisis from election year exploitation of xenophobic emotions.
Thats very Nixonian. Why bother gathering the courage and stamina to explain it to the (historically low 5%) unemployed when you can simply get into a tariff bidding war with the anti-capitalist opposition and hope that the people fall for your feigned sincerity?
Or zero percent depending on the field. I never met a foreign IT consultant in Healthcare, and next to no vendors. Its too coupled with too dynamic of a business. (Though I once paid a ex-pat in Thailand $70 an hour for 10 hours work, not wanting to pay an American $200 per hour for the same.)
" Hint 2: It's not 5% in Silicon Valley. My EA lost 25% of his clients this year because they had NO earned income in 2003. "
As I wrote a few weeks ago , Silicon Valley is about as reflective of the American economy as Sutter Valley in the 1840s, and that has next to nothing to do with outsourcing.
" Hint 3: Most elections are swayed by ~5% of the vote. "
There are always about 5% or more unemployed. The Democrat party is the one that panders for their votes.
I read your profile up to the point that you said you were a a hard core card carrying member of the Libertarian Party. Please, if there is anything that should define a Libertarian its free trade. Ive heard that Libertarian politics are intrinsically unstable and free to morph into anything fashioned by their emotions. But Ive never seen such a profound example as this today.
Congress' exercising their specifically inumerated power to levy tariifs is not an abuse of power, and you know it. Nice try, but you look like a blathering fool now.
Nonsense, our independence and security is rooted in our freedom and courage to defend it from shortterm gain. If you believe that the highest paid jobs are going overseas youre falling for the deception of our political opposition.
Ha! Ha! You're funny! What do you propose we defend uour freedom with, once our mfg. base has been wiped out? Defend it from short-term gain? You mean like the short-term gain of trading our manufacturing and technology base for some short-term cheap labor bucks? Try steering smart bombs with hamburgers. The US is now 100% dependent on Chinese suppliers of high magnetics for smart bomb servo components. The patent for the most efficient magnetic production methods was sold off to the Chinese, and the Americans who used to make our smart-bomb servos were given a pink slip for their patriotism. Angry jobless people are not a political deception, they are a reality from which you are hiding.
Opportunity to compete.
But they are not competing, they are cheating. India has a slave-based economy wherein basic services are provided by people who live in shacks and are denied an education. That, and currency manipulations makes indian labor costs 1/10 the labor costs here. Real competition would imply a productivity and intelligence contest. That ain't happening.
this thread is about India and Taiwan, not China
This thread is also about outsourcing and foreign trade, a picture in which China looms large.
Pure speculation. Where's your proof?
Well done! Probably the best body slam of the current "free" trade system I've ever read.
After decades of second rate education in public schools this has happened. But the public schools are free and let the parents, the ones who accept second rate for their children, escape the responsibility and financial obligations of educating their children properly.
Then by your own feelings, Congress' exercising their specifically inumerated power to declare war in an unwise way is not an abuse of power. You need to learn to control your emotions.
" You mean like the short-term gain of trading our manufacturing and technology base for some short-term cheap labor bucks? "
This reminds me of the end of the worlders crying here that Armageddon was coming at the turn of the millennium. Just like how in every generation there were people who feel the end of the world was in there times, every generation of Americans thought that tariffs were the answer to international trade and competition. Same panic, same song, different day.
People at a certain level of desperation are always prone to being called slaves by people unable to succeed in even in an environment of great excess.
" This thread is also about outsourcing and foreign trade, a picture in which China looms large "
No, because of Chinas international aggression, all the rules change. A discussion of training dogs cant be applied to razing a tiger. If you cant transcend your knee jerk emotionalism to see that, start another tread on China.
BUMP
It says in part:
"Since January 2001, a three-year period during which the economy has experienced one year of recession and two years of recovery, the U.S. economy has lost 2.6 percent of its private-sector jobs. These losses are not evenly distributed. Construction employment has declined by only 0.1 percent, and employment in oil and gas extraction by 0.7 percent.
Employment declines in manufacturing and knowledge jobs, however, have been dramatic.
Tables prepared by Charles McMillion of MBG Information Services from government data show employment in
primary metals down 24 percent;
machinery 21.6 percent;
computer and peripheral equipment 28 percent;
communications equipment 38.8 percent;
semiconductors and electronic components 37 percent;
electrical equipment and appliances 22.8 percent;
textile mills 34.1 percent;
apparel 37.3 percent;
chemicals 8.3 percent;
plastics and rubber products 13.8 percent;
Internet publishing and broadcast 40 percent;
telecommunications 19.4 percent;
ISPs, search portals, data processing 22.6 percent;
securities, commodity, investments 6.8 percent;
computer systems design and related 17 percent."
Please note that many of the industries listed are not Silicon Valley industries. Not much primary metals, textiles, apparel, plastics or rubber work in this area.
I continue to be astonished by your steadfast unremitting unwillingness to observe your surrounding reality.
I read your profile up to the point that you said you were a a hard core card carrying member of the Libertarian Party. Please, if there is anything that should define a Libertarian its free trade. Ive heard that Libertarian politics are intrinsically unstable and free to morph into anything fashioned by their emotions. But Ive never seen such a profound example as this today.
That profile was written quite some time ago. You may be incapable of adapting to new environments, that doesn't mean I have to be.
Frankly I'm not surprised you stopped reading my profile in the first paragraph. It seems a pattern for you to only go as deep into any subject as it takes to find a single data point that supports your preconceived prejudices.
Sad.
Angry jobless people are not a political deception, they are a reality from which you are hiding.
You got one point right.
However, I wasn't clear in my point that you were answering. My bad, sorry.
The real unemployment/gross UNDERemployment rate is at least 5% higher than the usual percentage the dems have as their unemployed "base".
This is plenty enough to throw a normal election, let alone a close one.
HOWEVER, this doesn't have to be done at the short term cost of beggaring America and Americans.
That's the part I have a real problem with!
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