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To: Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
"Since the founders of our Republic saw the wisdom of granting congress the power to levy tariffs and excise taxes … Are you saying the founders were protectionist?"

Then your accusation implies that you think that any potential abuse of Congress’s power to wage war makes the founding fathers aggressors, and abuse of the “general welfare” and the “interstate commerce” clauses makes the founding father’s socialist. Brilliant…

"But don't come around here lecturing the rest of us about freedom to choose"

Say the same to the minority if we turn into another social democracy after we elects to tax us to the verge of economic stagnation. Judges found it constitutional, so it must be proper by your reasoning.

" our independence and security, which is rooted in our manufacturing base. "

Nonsense, our independence and security is rooted in our freedom and courage to defend it from shortterm gain. If you believe that the “highest paid jobs are going overseas” you’re falling for the deception of our political opposition.

" What,pray tell, are we giving them? "

Opportunity to compete. A few contracts. Lets see if they can complete them.

" Ha! Ha! You should hear what the average Chinese person has to say about America and Americans "

I wonder if they “average Chinese person” could distance himself from his emotions long enough to see that this thread is about India and Taiwan, not China which is a different issue. If so, you could learn something from him.

102 posted on 03/03/2004 6:41:38 PM PST by elfman2
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To: elfman2
Then your accusation implies that you think that any potential abuse of Congress’s power to wage war makes the founding fathers aggressors, and abuse of the “general welfare” and the “interstate commerce” clauses makes the founding father’s socialist. Brilliant…

Congress' exercising their specifically inumerated power to levy tariifs is not an abuse of power, and you know it. Nice try, but you look like a blathering fool now.

Nonsense, our independence and security is rooted in our freedom and courage to defend it from shortterm gain. If you believe that the “highest paid jobs are going overseas” you’re falling for the deception of our political opposition.

Ha! Ha! You're funny! What do you propose we defend uour freedom with, once our mfg. base has been wiped out? Defend it from short-term gain? You mean like the short-term gain of trading our manufacturing and technology base for some short-term cheap labor bucks? Try steering smart bombs with hamburgers. The US is now 100% dependent on Chinese suppliers of high magnetics for smart bomb servo components. The patent for the most efficient magnetic production methods was sold off to the Chinese, and the Americans who used to make our smart-bomb servos were given a pink slip for their patriotism. Angry jobless people are not a political deception, they are a reality from which you are hiding.

Opportunity to compete.

But they are not competing, they are cheating. India has a slave-based economy wherein basic services are provided by people who live in shacks and are denied an education. That, and currency manipulations makes indian labor costs 1/10 the labor costs here. Real competition would imply a productivity and intelligence contest. That ain't happening.

this thread is about India and Taiwan, not China

This thread is also about outsourcing and foreign trade, a picture in which China looms large.

110 posted on 03/04/2004 6:51:27 AM PST by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
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