R&D Starts to Move Offshore - Outsourcing evolves beyond low-wage programming jobs

ComputerWorld ^ | 3/1/2004 | Patrick Thibodeau and Sumner Lemon

[elfman2]

"The "free trade" that you are for has been entirely engineered by the bureacracy called the WTO."

I’ve seen your rants before. You copied and pasted several thousand words of rambling text to justify your paranoia after I specifically asked you for something succinct. Life’s too short to read every kook rant.

[elfman2]

"Like I said I know too many people that have lost jobs to out sourcing. The fear is real as are the reasons for that fear."

And I know people who lost their jobs to all kinds of freedom, freedom that makes America great. The difference between you and I is that I analyze it with courage and you just fear it.

[oceanview]

correct. and this is coming right out of what is a republican voting demographic. you don't see the Dems taking actions to blow away public school teachers, they know who not to step on. its our side who are the idiots, they have a big edge in middle and upper middle class private sector workers, so they allow them to be trashed, and slide down the wage scale into service jobs where they are more likely to become democrats.

[hedgetrimmer]

I don't know how more succinct you can get.

As long as there is a WTO there is no free trade. No rant, just fact.

[elfman2]

"I don't know how more succinct you can get. As long as there is a WTO there is no free trade. No rant, just fact. "

You at least have to demonstrate the ability to differentiate between an unsupported opinion and a fact if you want to persuade people

[lewislynn]

Send all the lowly jobs overseas so every American can raise their standard of living to CEO status...The sooner the better...I can't wait!

[sweetjane]

We all need to stick with the facts.

The U.S. needs to be able to sustain its own infrastructure. That means we need to be able to produce everything we need HERE.

The other countries of the world needs to be able to sustain their own infrastructures THERE. If the countries in question lack the infrastructure to begin with, it's a problem they could start to tackle by taking on a constitution of government that creates an infrastructure in the first place.

Most of the countries we outsource and offshore to don't have the infrastructure to support themselves. I'm all for helping them, but I'd rather help them do it politically, governmentally with the right constitution, by showing them what works.

After they develop their infrastructures, we could all trade our excesses. Or special commodities - labor should not be one of them. Food should not be one of them. Hopefully in the future, energy will not be one of them either - and ESPECIALLY.

What will it take to stop the craziness?! We all need food, we all need homes with utilities, we all need health care, we all need.

With that much need, there should be plenty of jobs - worldwide. What is the problem? Why are so many despots in power? Why do we support the despots?

Rant over.

[Cronos]

Sometimes languages have similar words

Possibly if they belong to the same linguistic family or have borrowed from each other. But Koren does NOT belong to the Indo-European linguistic family and there are no Korean influences in India.

[Lazamataz]

Possibly if they belong to the same linguistic family or have borrowed from each other. But Koren does NOT belong to the Indo-European linguistic family and there are no Korean influences in India.

ooooo WEE.

I got a live one here.

[Cronos]

Indonesia had a very protected economy with high tariffs. Their fundamentals were flawed, so when Soros engineered a currency crash, the Indonesian economy died. Also, a military dictator-- Suharto was ousted from power and islammic fundamentalism spread.

[Lazamataz]

The U.S. needs to be able to sustain its own infrastructure. That means we need to be able to produce everything we need HERE. The other countries of the world needs to be able to sustain their own infrastructures THERE. If the countries in question lack the infrastructure to begin with, it's a problem they could start to tackle by taking on a constitution of government that creates an infrastructure in the first place. Most of the countries we outsource and offshore to don't have the infrastructure to support themselves. I'm all for helping them, but I'd rather help them do it politically, governmentally with the right constitution, by showing them what works.

Marry me.

[Cronos]

If trade were "free" and each trader able to make the decision who he wants to trade with and under what terms, why does the WTO even exist?

THe WTO serves as a forum for economic disputes, so countries can thrash it out in an agreed framework and not impose trade wars. It is also actively working to bring down trade barriers in the developing world, so US goods can be sold there.

[Cronos]

The WTO was formed to shift the economic balance of power away from the US, and its working.

More conspiracy theories?? The WTO is purely a forum to work out international trade disputes.

[Walkin Man]

Freedom to trade with who we choose is the worst.

"Free trade" with a giant communist country that has threatened the USA with nuclear annihilation more than once is not a good idea!

"Free trade" with a slave labor country will import the slavery right here to our shores.

Marx was right about "free trade" screwing the workers so hard that it makes communist revolution more likely. Of course then America itself would be one giant slave labor camp, perhaps that is the free traitors end game, eh?

[elfman2]

"Marx was right about "free trade" screwing the workers so hard that it makes communist revolution more likely. Of course then America itself would be one giant slave labor camp, perhaps that is the free traitors end game, eh?

There’s a phrase that, “Generals are always fighting the last war”. Even armchair generals. India and Taiwan (the subject of this article) are not our military or ideological opposition.

Out greatest goal in this new kind of war is to unify the world in recognition of good and evil. Good is in its best position when Western civilization inspires hope everywhere. If East and South East Asia see theocracies or socialist-fascism as viable alternatives, they’re potential obstacles to our fight.

Giving them a path into the first world also benefits us. Not just by denying fascism fertile soil, but by setting ourselves up at the panicle of world trade and culture. A nation of desperate and compelled workers is no long term threat to us. If they don’t develop democratically, they can’t adjust to modern markets and eventually stagnate. That’s what happened in the USSR. We did not import slave labor from them; we enveloped them because our system is intrinsically better.

In the unlikely event that we inspire the development of a freer and better nation than us that takes our place at the top, like our end around Brittan, I say more power to them. The English people did not suffer by our progress. “All boats are lifted by a rising tide.”

[Orbiting_Rosie's_Head]

Maybe you’re right that it will affect the vote, but I don’t think that the solution is European style protectionism.

Since the founders of our Republic saw the wisdom of granting congress the power to levy tariffs and excise taxes (see Article I, Section 8, US constitution), please explain how tariffs constitute "European style protectionism". Are you saying the founders were protectionist?

[Orbiting_Rosie's_Head]

Freedom to trade with who we choose is the worst.

Our "freedom to trade with who we choose" is governed by the power granted to the US Congress to regulate trade with foreign nations, and to levy imposts and excise taxes. Since this is a democratic constitutional republic, the act of placing tariffs on imported goods and services is an act of choice by the people, through their elected representatives. If those who want to put a stop to the destruction of our manufacturing and technology bases outnumber you; tough luck, fella. We are well within our power to tax trade with slave-based economies. Conversely, if you believe so much in your "free" trade, then by all means, vote your conscience. But don't come around here lecturing the rest of us about freedom to choose.

We know what the score is. We are aware of the sorry state of schools. We recognize the burdensome nature of our regulatory state. But that's no reason to chuck our independence and security, which is rooted in our manufacturing base. One problem at a time, man. That's what the people here are trying to tell you. How do you suppose we fix the problems with doing business in the US with the highest paying jobs fleeing overseas? Can't you see the Democrats look upon your attitude and worldview with glee? Heck, man, people like you are their number one campaign issue. Boy, talk about the "Dumb Party". The destruction of America's manufacturing and technology base, millions of high-quality jobs lost, Democrats with a huge campaign issue in battle ground states during and election year. Yesiree, ain't "free" trade grand?

[Orbiting_Rosie's_Head]

Giving them a path into the first world also benefits us.

Giving?!? What,pray tell, are we giving them? I thought we were just free trading. Now you say we are giving them something? Huh. If what we are giving them are American jobs, I'll keep the jobs, thank you.

Out greatest goal in this new kind of war is to unify the world in recognition of good and evil.

Ha! Ha! You should hear what the average Chinese person has to say about America and Americans ("Americans", to a Chinese person, means white person from America). They recognize evil alright, but not in the way you might like. Evil to them is George Bush. To them, the "best president" was Clinton, even though he bombed their embassy. Sad to say, but it is a fact. Yep, we give them our manufacturing base, they hate Bush and the Republicans. Sounds like a fair trade to me.

[hedgetrimmer]

Have you read the charter of the WTO? The WTO are not merely forum. They are have a legal system and a court and last summer started funding lawsuits so that "least developed countries" can sue the "rich countries".

They impose rules on trade that are not fair, but a one way street. They often give the advantage to "least developed countries" in their trade decisions, instead of fairly determining trade rules. That is, when it comes to a trade policy that pits a "least developed countries" against a "rich country", they will allow the "least developed countries" to impose tariffs to protect their producers, at the same time fining "rich countries" for having tariffs against the "least developed countries" goods.

They have set up many programs, structural convergence funds, millenium challenge funds, infrastructure development funds, all of which take money from the US taxpayer and gives it away to "least developed countries" in a massive redistribution of wealth.

Finally,it is unConstitutional for the WTO and its system to make any rules about US trade policy, but no one wants to talk about that.

This is _not_ working out international trade disputes. It _is_ forcing a system of socialism on global trade,however.

[Cronos]

Giving them a path into the first world also benefits us

Quite right, and what better proof than our ally in Asia -- Japan?