Gunmaker Liability Bill Goes Down in Defeat

Fox News ^ | 3/2/2004 | Fox News

[GrandEagle]

WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats gunning for a ban on assault weapons forced down a bill preventing gun manufacturers from liability after the bill's sponsor said the amendment made the measure too unpalatable.

[GrandEagle]

Looks like there has been some confusion on this one today.
The two ammendments passed but the bill as a whole failed.

[IYAS9YAS]

Someone posted earlier that one of my senators (Craig, R - ID) had asked for it to be voted down precisely because of all the riders.

[cripplecreek]

Could this be the beginning of a republican shock and awe campaign. First the massive failure of a gun bill expected to pass and then charges against the NY state mayor for handing out illegal marriage licenses.

This will certainly rattle the cages of the candidates on their big night.

[RedQuill]

Looks like Fox is a little confused too. I did a double-take on this one:

Nonetheless, Democrats accused the bulk of Republicans of kowtowing to the National Education Association after Executive Director Wayne LaPierre sent a letter to GOP leaders announcing that the NRA opposed passage of the bill with its amendments and note recorded votes for future use.

[SauronOfMordor]

I'm glad it failed. Even without AW renewal, it had some ugly amendments

[GrandEagle]

This will certainly rattle the cages of the candidates on their big night.
Yes, but it is still a big Democrat win.
If it had passed: the AWB was renewed
If it failed you can sue firearms manufacturers out of existence.

[marty60]

That's what I heard. But the reader said it was intereting that now everyone was on record in their vote, including Monsieur Kerry.

[GrandEagle]

National Education Association
LOL! I misssed that one too!

[The KG9 Kid]

Your Senator Craig should be doing Bill 'Shifty' Frist's job as Senate Majority Leader.

[goldstategop]

The bill's defeat is a blessing in disguise.

[GrandEagle]

it had some ugly amendments
Yes it did. I was just reading them.

[SauronOfMordor]

Ten Republicans broke party ranks to extend the ban: Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, Susan Collins of Maine, Mike DeWine of Ohio, Peter Fitzgerald of Illinois, Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, Richard Lugar of Indiana, Gordon Smith of Oregon, Olympia Snowe of Maine, George Voinovich of Ohio and John Warner of Virginia.

Ten Republicans to be defeated at the polls, at whatever cost, when their times come.

Better an avowed enemy at the gates, than a traitor in the camp

[GrandEagle]

Better an avowed enemy at the gates, than a traitor in the camp
AMEN!!!

[aomagrat]

With republicans like these, who needs democrats?

[SauronOfMordor]

If it had passed: the AWB was renewed If it failed you can sue firearms manufacturers out of existence.

A bad trade. The trial lawyers would have figured a way around the anti-lawsuit part, but the AW ban would stand.

Once the AW ban sunsets, even for a month, people will stockpile magazines, and pre-ban-type weapons so that a temporary resumption of the ban would be irrelevant for a long time

[facedown]

Ten Republicans to be defeated at the polls,...

Fortunately, Fitzgerald is not running for reelection.

[cc2k]

marty60 wrote:

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That's what I heard. But the reader said it was intereting that now everyone was on record in their vote, including Monsieur Kerry.

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Kerry and Edwards were both there for many of the amendment votes.

However, I'm not sure about the final passage vote. All of the earlier votes totalled 99 Senators voting. The final vote was 90-8, or 98 Senators voting. I think Kerry might have been the one that left. We'll have to wait for the senate server to be updated with the roll call vote info (It might be there now, but the server is so swamped, I can't get the results).

Just checked again, Kerry was there for the final vote. He was one of the 90 Nays.

[GrandEagle]

A bad trade.
Its always a bad trade! But I agree with you on this one. It's better with it failing to pass.

[marty60]

I'm sorry, I meant the amendments. not the final vote. When Craig pulled the rug out, everyone headed for the tall grass.

[Cboldt]

If it failed you can sue firearms manufacturers out of existence.

I don't have a precise handle on it, but the preponderance of "stupid" cases have been getting thrown out. The people have many levels to work on, and not every matter requires a Congressional solution.