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Homosexuality and the Corruption of a Culture
California Republic.org ^ | 02/27/04 | John Mark Reynolds

Posted on 03/03/2004 11:22:00 AM PST by AreaMan

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John Mark Reynolds is the founder and director of the Torrey Honors Institute, and Associate Professor of Philosophy, at Biola University.

Homosexuality and the Corruption of a Culture San Francisco is only the beginning... [John Mark Reynolds] 2/24/04

“Traditional marriage is hard to defend. Why shouldn’t two people in love be allowed to get married? Aren’t we small government conservatives interested in maximizing liberty? Isn’t this just another civil rights struggle?”

The people asking these questions then propose an alternative reality. In this reality, children do not need fathers and mothers. We are told to imagine a libertarian paradise: small government that stayed out of our front and back pockets. Sexuality is deemed a private act, mainly centered in pleasure. Character is not formed by sexual action. This paradise will come to pass only if the law is defied and marriage is redefined.

As long ago as Plato, such utopian dreaming was evident as folly. The most important public act my wife and I have performed is to leave our nation four healthy, thriving children. Raising such children demands great sacrifice of time and treasure. For the nation to sustain itself, it must encourage such labor. To fantasize that anything other than a husband and wife will have the significant number of multiple births per couple a culture needs is to deny reality. Only a man and a woman can make a child without resorting to the expensive, and morally questionable, baby boutiques where homosexual couples can purchase their single designer baby.

In any case, it is difficult to see how it can be good for a child, overwhelmingly likely to be sexually normal, to be raised in a same-sex household. The transition to sexual maturity is difficult enough for most young adults without the added pain of being raised by persons who define themselves by their sexual proclivities.

Even if performed in private, sexuality is a profoundly public act, as San Francisco is once again proving. It is also one of the most powerful human impulses. It can elevate or corrupt men and women. Sexuality can turn into a trap or it can be a great blessing. The time consumed by millions of men on pornography saps the productivity of the nation while producing nothing, not even much pleasure in the end. Regulation of sexuality has been the cornerstone of every free society. Why? Free societies depend on the self-regulation of free men and women to allow government to remain small. Sexuality shapes men and women at a very basic level. Deviant sexuality produces character in need of social intervention and care. Big state governments and over regulation are not found in Alabama, but are found in San Francisco.

This explains in part why nations with “advanced” views of sexuality have become welfare states. Infantile adults who spend large amounts of time building their lives around their sexual preferences (whether biological or homosexual) will never make the time to grow up. Sexual libertines can never have full political liberty. Of course, regulation of sexuality by itself does not lead to liberty or Moslem societies would all be free. Sexual restraint is a vital, necessary, but not sufficient characteristic of free men and women.

A sign of a dysfunctional society is when one is asked to prove the obvious. Homosexuality is not natural. Sexual relations, and the body parts that go with them, are designed for reproduction and for pleasure. The two functions are joined. Males and females are quite literally made for each other. Any other form of sexuality is deviant in the sense that it is not natural, not part of God’s design plan for human beings. Humans are bi-sexual.

The usual response to this obvious fact is for someone to claim that biological sex is not natural to them. They are attracted to people of the same sex. However, this proves nothing. “Natural” is not determined by the inclinations of individuals, but by the obvious design plan placed in human beings by their creator. Homosexuality defies this design plan and is a sad deviation from it leading, as most deviations for design do, to a reproductive dead end. Such persons should be left alone, if they do not wish to be helped, but they should not receive social approval for their vice. There is no societal good to be gained from approving of actions that have no future.

But isn’t homosexuality harmless? How could we measure such harm? Studies on this topic are fraught with bias and political motivation. No matter what the result the study receives more scrutiny and critical attention than would be the case in normal science. However, there does seem to be some evidence that homosexuality is not good for most persons involved in it. (http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/homosexuality/maf/a0028248.cfm) Unlike race or ethnicity, homosexuality is defined by a behavior or a desire for a behavior. Therefore, outside of sexual expressions it seems incapable of producing any unique culture.

Of course, at the moment no one is talking about making wicked sexual practices illegal in California. There is an argument to be made for laws against adultery and public homosexual practice, but this is not what is at stake in California. California is being asked to confer benefits on homosexual couples. Californians are being asked to approve of homosexuality, not tolerate it. This places a much higher burden on the homosexual couple to prove why society should grant them this approval.

“Love” is usually taken as the justification for giving benefits to couples. However, “love” is not why biological couples are given benefits. In fact, if love is defined as a passion, then it is hard to see why the fact that someone loves someone else shows that it is good that they do so. It would not be hard to cite examples of “loves” that are deemed inappropriate by everyone, including the homosexual activist. Great crimes, as well as great goods, have been done in the name of love.

The state has no reason to give benefits to people in love as love does no societal work. In the end, it will be biological couples that will carry the great burden of securing the future of California and civil marriage benefits are designed to help them do so. Nothing stops homosexual couples from getting religious marriages, by far more meaningful, if they desire to join a church that allows them. In fact, this already happens. Most of the benefits of “couples” most pushed for by homosexual couples, such as hospital visitation rights, should be granted on grounds other than the relationship in question. For example, hospitals have for too long been insensitive to patient needs and wants. A signed card giving permission for hospital visitation in the event of emergency to anyone chosen by the cardholder would alleviate such concerns. State marriage is not necessary.

A lack of natural desires, in fact deviant desires, in a person in one area may not lead to deviant desires in any other area. Persecution of people burdened with the sterile love of homosexuality is not conducive to their healing. However, giving public approval to it is even more unlikely to help. This is as true of “special rights” as of the sanction of marriage.

Giving “homosexuals’ protected status, and marriage rights, under the law will prove impossible. Homosexual activists must prevent themselves from being defined by their sexual actions. Therefore, many have argued that they “are homosexual” in the same way people are male or female. Homosexuality is not something one does, but that one “is.” Only then can their status even remotely be compared to race or ethnicity. People may even engage in biologically normal sexuality and still be “repressed homosexuals.”

However, this means that anyone can simply declare that they are homosexual, marry anyone else, and gain the rights of marriage and protected legal status. One need not engage in homosexual behaviors, in fact would could never have homosex, and still declare oneself to be “homosexual.” Homosexuals make a great point that one cannot “pick out” a homosexual person by external factors (as one can with race). What if every person in California opposed to protected status for homosexuals simply began to declare on state forms that they were homosexuals? How would a court determine that they were not, in fact, homosexuals? If two men wanted to “marry” to protect the other from testifying about a business partnership in which they were engaged, then how could the court determine if their marriage was a sham? Sex as a test is out, or homosexuality is reduced to what iis, a behavior. The state will accept the declared sexuality of the partners. Gay marriage and protected status for homosexuals depends on the questionable notion that non-homosexuals will not think of such tricks.

Usually, at this point, some hapless soul brings up laws forbidding interracial marriage in the United States. These laws were always unnatural. The very arguments I have been using show this to be the case. The biology of persons of color is not different in any relevant manner to that of Caucasians. Unlike “male” and “female” the distinctions between races were arbitrary and artificial. However, the very internal and genetic structure of men and women are different. Here is no small basis on which to reasonably discriminate.

Finally, religion is also not a private thing. Traditional religions like Christianity claim to know things, to be knowledge traditions. This means that they make assertions about reality that can be tested.

Christianity claims to have heard from God. One may reject these claims, but should do so only with study and care in the same manner that one would choose to reject the authority of scientists when they proclaim in their areas of specialization.

Ethics is uniquely unfit for science to determine “right and wrong.” Just because humans want to do a thing, and can do it, does not mean they should. The end of human action is hard for humans, mixed up in the passion of it, to see. Human behavior is not easy to study. Science has made certain proclamations that things are “harmless” or “bad” in the past. Scientist who posture in public on this issue are talking outside their area of expertise. Priests and pastors are not.

If God who made humans has spoken to us, then this knowledge would be invaluable. Christianity has always taught that homosexual relations are sinful. Is Christianity really hearing from God on this issue? (Since traditional Judaism and Islam agree, with almost all the other world religions on homosexuality, the question is of more than parochial importance.)

If Christianity is true, then God views homosexuality as wicked. He judges wicked nations as well as wicked men. For a nation to allow private wickedness is one thing. For it to call it good and reward it is another. It may be old fashioned to say it, but America runs the risk of falling under the wrath of God.

To what end? The couples being married in San Francisco do not look to be underfed or oppressed. Unlike poor Judge Roy Moore who tried to place the Ten Commandments in the courthouse in Alabama, the mayor of San Francisco does not face impeachment for defying the law. Then why press on an unwilling state, homosexual marriage? And do not be deceived. The demands will not end there. Soon religious colleges will lose the right to student money for their students, if they do not approve of homosexuality. Canada demonstrates that even in the pulpit, traditional religious teachings will not be safe. Anti- homosexual “rights” will not long be tolerated, but will soon be officially proclaimed as evil in public school textbooks. The sad case of the Anglican Church shows the steps clearly. The process is all too familiar to those who have seen their own church fall to the spirit of our age. First, Californians are asked to tolerate the homosexualist. Second, they are cajoled into muting condemnation of what once had been wrong. Finally, they are forced, even in their own institutions, to applaud homosexuality. The love that used to dare not speak its name will now force all of us to talk about it ceaselessly and with politically enforced care. Soon all California will be shaped after the pattern of San Francisco. The left will prosper and the right decline. Libertarians obsessed with simplistic slogans and thinking will approve at first from their fringe, but look in terror as the nanny state grows as it always does. They will not have meant to do so, but the libertarians will have delivered California to the libertines. All so that a small, wealthy, but influential segment of the California public can still for a moment their own consciences and defy nature and nature’s God.

copyright 2004 John Mark Reynolds


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; US: California
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; homosexuality; marriage; prisoners; ruleoflaw
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To: Motherbear
Within twenty years--possibly ten--religious persons who oppose homosexuality will be looked upon as white supremists. It probably won't be illegal as in Canada, but Christians will be marginalized and on the fringes of society.

Doubt it. Homosexuality will always carry with it the biological revulsion it warrants. Even cultured pagans look at the assembly of sickos on the San Francisco court steps as freaks. That's not going to change.
41 posted on 03/03/2004 2:37:20 PM PST by farmer18th
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To: doodlelady
worth boldly repeating

Even a blind pig stumbles upon a truffle now and then.

42 posted on 03/03/2004 2:38:32 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: Motherbear
Within twenty years--possibly ten--religious persons who oppose homosexuality will be looked upon as white supremists. It probably won't be illegal as in Canada, but Christians will be marginalized and on the fringes of society.

If we as a people don't turn from our wickedness, this will become reality, Motherbear. The threat of another civil war looms large on the horizon.

43 posted on 03/03/2004 2:42:16 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It is not , however, coincidence that they expect other people to pay for a lifestyle that results in such elevated physical and mental problems.
44 posted on 03/03/2004 2:45:27 PM PST by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
You really need to take a look at this comic and think about where your priorities should be directed:

If our priorities were properly "directed", NONE of this would be happening, Clinton would never have been elected...TWICE...and activist judges would not be tolerated.

People are finally waking up. Maybe it's too late. I don't care which alarm is finally ringing loudly enough, but it's great to see that folks have HAD it with terrorists of every ilk, at home and abroad.

45 posted on 03/03/2004 2:47:02 PM PST by b9
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To: AreaMan
And do not be deceived. The demands will not end there. Soon religious colleges will lose the right to student money for their students, if they do not approve of homosexuality. Canada demonstrates that even in the pulpit, traditional religious teachings will not be safe. Anti- homosexual “rights” will not long be tolerated, but will soon be officially proclaimed as evil in public school textbooks. The sad case of the Anglican Church shows the steps clearly.L

I think it's worse that that. The rebellion that manifests itself as homosexuality will seek other forms once homosexuality is normalized. Prostitution, beastiality, Pedophilia, Polygamy will follow. Eventually, even the German sicko who ate the person he met from the internet will be celebrated and his activity will be normalized.

46 posted on 03/03/2004 2:48:45 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
And do not be deceived. The demands will not end there.

Maybe I should re-post that thing on Necrophilia?

47 posted on 03/03/2004 2:53:04 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan
We can handle the Persians AND the radical left. We are multitaskers, not insects.

Again, the best! LOL

and it ain't no truffle, neither!

48 posted on 03/03/2004 2:55:05 PM PST by b9
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To: AreaMan
BTTT
49 posted on 03/03/2004 3:09:51 PM PST by SW6906
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To: AreaMan
Soon religious colleges will lose the right to student money for their students, if they do not approve of homosexuality. Canada demonstrates that even in the pulpit, traditional religious teachings will not be safe. Anti- homosexual “rights” will not long be tolerated, but will soon be officially proclaimed as evil in public school textbooks.

I think this is the endgame. The suppression by government force of dissenting opinions on homosexual behavior. Just my opinion.

50 posted on 03/03/2004 3:31:42 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: AreaMan
Good article, but the writing sags at a couple of points.
51 posted on 03/03/2004 3:54:44 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: AreaMan
We can handle the Persians AND the radical left. We are multitaskers, not insects.

What about illegal immigrantion, outsourcing of jobs, corruption in government, high taxes and massive regulation.

52 posted on 03/03/2004 4:06:01 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: FormerLib
Er, you complained (correctly) about the error of conflating the state with society. That error was made by the article author, not by BurgessLau.
54 posted on 03/03/2004 5:35:14 PM PST by steve-b
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To: FormerLib
Do the people have a right to decide which contracts their government courts will enforce?

The people have a right to decide that a contract to violate the rights of a third party (e.g. a "hit" contract) is unenforceable.

The people do not have a right to decide that certain individuals have a "special right" to enter into contracts that are unavailable to other people (e.g. a zoning prohibition against home purchases by a disfavored ethnic group).

Simple, really.

55 posted on 03/03/2004 5:39:53 PM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b
The people do not have a right to decide that certain individuals have a "special right" to enter into contracts that are unavailable to other people (e.g. a zoning prohibition against home purchases by a disfavored ethnic group).

This does not apply in this case as any homosexual has the same right to marry a member of the opposite sex that any other citizen has. Nice try and thanks for playing.

56 posted on 03/03/2004 7:06:33 PM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
What about illegal immigrantion, outsourcing of jobs, corruption in government, high taxes and massive regulation

Look, I agree, if you HAD to take on one issue at a time then yes, I would deal with the Persians trying to nuke us. But, you know that realistically we don't have to deal with just one thing at a time.

Look at it this way, what good would it do to have all the foreign bad guys under control and have an efficient and effective military only to collapse from within, a la Rome.

We have to address both (or all) the issues threatening this society.

57 posted on 03/03/2004 10:07:14 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan
Look at it this way, what good would it do to have all the foreign bad guys under control and have an efficient and effective military only to collapse from within, a la Rome.

Actually high taxes, regulation, government corruption destroyed Rome from within; that is why I think they should take top priority over homosexuality.

58 posted on 03/03/2004 10:16:13 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: AreaMan; DrDeb
Please excuse this long read (it probably deserves a thread of its own), but DrDeb posted this on another thread, and it sure seems to apply here also:


. . . another EXCELLENT article from Dennis Prager:


San Francisco and Islamists: Fighting the same enemy
Dennis Prager (archive)
March 2, 2004

America is engaged in two wars for the survival of its civilization. The war over same-sex marriage and the war against Islamic totalitarianism are actually two fronts in the same war -- a war for the preservation of the unique American creation known as Judeo-Christian civilization.

One enemy is religious extremism. The other is secular extremism.

One enemy is led from abroad. The other is directed from home.

The first war is against the Islamic attempt to crush whoever stands in the way of the spread of violent Islamic theocracies, such as al Qaeda, the Taliban, the Iranian mullahs and Hamas. The other war is against the secular nihilism that manifests itself in much of Western Europe, in parts of America such as San Francisco and in many of our universities.

America leads the battle against both religious and secular nihilism and is hated by both because it rejects both equally. American values preclude embracing either religious extremism or radical secularism. As Alexis de Tocqueville, probably the greatest observer of our society, wrote almost 200 years ago, America is a unique combination of secular government and religious (Judeo-Christian) society.

Not only has this combination been unique, it has been uniquely successful. America, therefore, poses as mortal a threat to radical secularism as it does to Islamic totalitarianism. Each understands that America's success means its demise.

This is a major reason why the Left so opposes anti-Islamism (just as it opposed anti-communism). In theory, the Left should be at least as opposed to the Islamists as is the Right. But the Left is preoccupied first with destroying America's distinctive values -- a Judeo-Christian society (as opposed to a secular one), capitalism (as opposed to socialism), liberty (as opposed to equality) and exceptionalism (as opposed to universalism, multiculturalism and multilateralism). So, if the Islamists are fellow anti-Americans, the Left figures it can worry about them later.

All this explains why the passions are so intense regarding same-sex marriage. Most of the activists in the movement to redefine marriage wish to overthrow the predominance of Judeo-Christian values in American life. Those who oppose same-sex marriage understand that redefining the central human institution marks the beginning of the end of Judeo-Christian civilization.

Let us understand this redefinition as clearly as possible:

With same-sex marriage, our society declares by law that mothers are unnecessary, since two men are equally ideal as mothers and as the creators of a family; and that fathers are unnecessary, since two women are equally ideal as parents and as the creators of a family.

With same-sex marriage, our society declares that there is nothing special or even necessarily desirable about a man and a woman bonding. What is sacred to the proponents of same-sex marriage is the number of people marrying (two, for the time being), not that a man and woman bond.

With same-sex marriage, when taught in school about sex, marriage and family, children will have to be taught that male-male and female-female sex, love and marriage are identical to male-female sex, love and marriage. And when asked, "Who do you think you will marry when you grow up?" thanks to the ubiquitous images of media, far more children will consider members of the same sex.

With same-sex marriage, no adoption agency will ever be able to prefer a married man and woman as prospective parents. Aside from the tragedy of denying untold numbers of children a mother and a father, this will lead to a drastic diminution in women placing children for adoption, since most of these women will prefer something that will then be illegal -- that agencies place her child with a man and woman, not with two men or two women.

With same-sex marriage, any media -- films, advertisements, greeting cards -- that only depict married couples as a woman and a man will be considered discriminatory and probably be sued.

With same-sex marriage, those religious groups that only marry men and women will be deemed beyond the pale, marginalized and ostracized.

There have been many Christian countries, and they are no longer. They have been replaced by secular countries, and they are weakening. Only American civilization remains strong, and it does so because of its unique amalgam of values rooted in Judeo-Christian morality.

This civilization is now fighting for its life -- as much here as abroad. Join the fight, or it will be gone as fast as you can say "Democrat."

©2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20040302.shtml
59 posted on 03/03/2004 10:39:15 PM PST by b9
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To: AreaMan
bump for later
60 posted on 03/03/2004 11:40:05 PM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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