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Uprising Against U.N. Grows in States and Congress
NewsMax.com ^ | Wednesday, March 3, 2004 | Wes Vernon

Posted on 03/03/2004 5:59:11 PM PST by RickofEssex

Uprising Against U.N. Grows in States and Congress

WASHINGTON – Threats to U.S. security and sovereignty in recent years have spawned a widening grassroots movement to get the United States out of the United Nations and the United Nations out of the United States. The effort has gained a political respectability it did not always enjoy. A “people’s rebellion” against internationalist elites is coming straight from Heartland America.

Once relegated to the outer fringes of the conservative movement, skepticism of and hostility to the U.N. in recent years are the result of several factors, not the least of which is concern for safety in an increasingly dangerous world.

The war against terror in general, and against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq in particular, have caused debate over America’s once assumed right to defend itself without seeking “permission” from the so-called “international community.”

President Bush has been ridiculed in the halls of the United Nations for taking seriously his No. 1 constitutional duty: to protect Americans from harm. Sept. 11 was the wake-up call that brought Americans face to face with the prospect of personal danger. They do not take kindly to U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan and others who challenge our right to self-defense.

Legislatures in some of the same Rocky Mountain states that rebelled against the excesses of the elitist “environmental” movement a quarter of a century ago are now leading the anti-U.N. charge.

The Utah House of Representatives last month approved a resolution urging Congress to withdraw the U.S. from the United Nations.

The measure had been proposed a year ago, but was put on hold while President Bush was unsuccessfully seeking U.N. backing for an invasion of Iraq.

Now in 2004, the Utah House voted 42-33 in favor of “freeing the nation from a large financial burden and retaining the nation’s sovereignty to decide what is best for the nation and determine what steps it considers appropriate as the leader of the free world in full control of its armed forces and destiny.”

The measure has divided the top leadership of the Republican majority in the Utah House.

House Speaker Marty Stephens, who is also a gubernatorial candidate in the Beehive State, voted with the majority, reflecting a popular concern among some conservatives over such issues as “world government” and a global tax.

On the other hand, House Majority Leader Greg Curtis voted against the measure, saying, “I don’t want it to be said, ‘Well, he must not be a conservative, he must not be a true Republican if he doesn’t support this.'”

That Curtis would be defensive about his GOP credentials because of this issue reflects the political reality that the world organization’s approval among the general public, particularly among Republican voters in the 2000 “red states,” has taken a dive in recent years.

The tarnished reputation of the U.N. persists despite the left-tilting establishment’s best efforts to define the issue as something that is “settled” and beyond the boundaries of reasonable debate. But the ranks of the skeptics are growing. Similar anti-U.N. efforts are under way in the legislatures of neighboring states Idaho and Arizona.

On Jan. 17, the chief congressional proponent of the anti-U.N. effort, Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, visited Salt Lake City to outline his case for America’s sovereign right to assert its best interests over whatever objections United Nations might have.

Gains in Congress

Last year, Paul’s campaign to free the U.S. of U.N. constraints made a significant leap forward in Congress, though it still lost by a comfortable margin.

In contrast to previous up or down votes on the issue that netted fewer than 40 supporters, a recorded vote on this issue on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives on July 22, 2003 garnered 145 votes: 141 Republicans and four Democrats.

Rep. Paul sees that as progress. The final vote against the proposal was 279-145. But just as the left has attained ultimate victories by revisiting its issues year after year, so too does the Texas lawmaker intend to apply the same strategy here.

Paul's spokesman Jeff Deist told NewsMax.com that timing was of the utmost significance in this latest vote. The proposal picked up support because of resentment over the anti-U.S. rhetoric in the U.N. General Assembly, which intensified with the run-up to the war with Iraq. Also, unlike previous measures, this vote, on an amendment to an appropriations bill, merely called on the U.S. to cease all funding for the United Nations. It stopped short of calling for outright withdrawal. The idea is to advance the cause in steps.

Included among those favoring Paul's amendment were such heavy hitters as House Majority leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas; House International Relations Committee Chairman Henry Hyde, R-Ill.; and Rep. Christopher Cox, R-Calif., best known for his bipartisan probe several years ago of communist China's espionage in the U.S.

The resentment against the United Nations did not develop in this country overnight. It has been building up for years. NewsMax has been following that every step of the way. We’ll take a closer look next in our second of two installments.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: un; unitednations
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To: DakotaGator
Difference is the South attempted to secede from a sovereign nation which had assets, such as; people, money, territory, armed forces, etc. The UN has nothing and is nothing.

Do no be so quick to dismiss the U.N. Most of the member of the U.N. loath the U.S. and would love for a reason to openly attack us. Plus we have our own military forces streched very thin throughout the world.

41 posted on 03/04/2004 10:03:22 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: DakotaGator
Difference is the South attempted to secede from a sovereign nation which had assets, such as; people, money, territory, armed forces, etc. The UN has nothing and is nothing.

Do no be so quick to dismiss the U.N. Most of the members of the U.N. loath the U.S. and would love for a reason to openly attack us. Plus we have our own military forces streched very thin throughout the world.

42 posted on 03/04/2004 10:03:29 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: RickofEssex
Maybe we should be 'warm' toward the UN?


43 posted on 03/04/2004 10:11:45 AM PST by hardhead ("English spoken here")
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To: Tom Jefferson; backhoe; Militiaman7; BARLF; timestax; imintrouble; cake_crumb; Brad's Gramma; ...
Now in 2004, the Utah House voted 42-33 in favor of “freeing the nation from a large financial burden and retaining the nation’s sovereignty to decide what is best for the nation and determine what steps it considers appropriate as the leader of the free world in full control of its armed forces and destiny.”

No more UN for US-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

44 posted on 03/04/2004 10:12:18 AM PST by knighthawk (Live today, there is no time to lose, because when tomorrow comes it's all just yesterday's blues)
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To: knighthawk
Thanks knighthawk......The word is spreading, no more UN for the US.
45 posted on 03/04/2004 11:36:40 AM PST by BARLF
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To: BARLF
Yeah, let them go to France.
46 posted on 03/04/2004 11:38:43 AM PST by knighthawk (Live today, there is no time to lose, because when tomorrow comes it's all just yesterday's blues)
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To: knighthawk
Included among those favoring Paul's amendment were such heavy hitters as House Majority leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas; House International Relations Committee Chairman Henry Hyde, R-Ill.; and Rep. Christopher Cox, R-Calif., best known for his bipartisan probe several years ago of communist China's espionage in the U.S.

Oh, yeah, I vaguely remember Chris Cox's "bipartisan probe" - that big, long report that never was opened for public perusal. Wasn't that around the time that Newt Gingrich resigned as Speaker, someone else stepped in for a short while, then we got that marvel of brilliance, Hastert?

47 posted on 03/04/2004 6:13:15 PM PST by lakey
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To: hardhead
It doesn't seem like the Senate is really all that eager to dump the UN:

Law of The Sea By Dark of Night

Global nightmare: Saving the LOST

John Kerry’s Treaty - Outsourcing sovereignty

48 posted on 03/05/2004 5:27:00 PM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: knighthawk
Have you seen these stories I've linked in post #48?
49 posted on 03/05/2004 5:32:11 PM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: RickofEssex
U.S. out of the U.N. A communist institution. Represented by dictators around the world. Kick them out of New York. The U.N. was sckewed against the U.S. from the beginning. Out of here! And pay your parking tickets.!
50 posted on 03/05/2004 6:05:32 PM PST by jslade (People who are easily offended, OFFEND ME!)
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To: RickofEssex
Too bad republicans at the federal level don't have a problem with the UN.

Senator Lugar (republican) has pushed the UN "Law of the Sea" treaty thru his foreign relations committee where it has been bottled up since Reagan (correctly) declared it dead on arrival.

Well its not only alive now, senate majority leader Frist (Republican) is considering scheduling it for a "unaminous consent" vote.

With friends like these....

Regards

J.R.
51 posted on 03/05/2004 6:18:37 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: TigersEye; hedgetrimmer
Do treaties have bill numbers

According to Henry Lamb the Law of the Sea treaty is known in the senate as:

TREATY DOC 103-39

Regards

J.R.

52 posted on 03/05/2004 7:09:56 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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Global nightmare: Saving the LOST
53 posted on 03/05/2004 7:34:06 PM PST by Mikey
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The following is from a response from me Post # 56 to Post #9

"Both parties are globalist, elitist pukes with an agenda that does NOT include the absolute sovereignty of the U.S. or the protection of the rights and welfare of it's citizens."

Yep. I've been saying that for years. The republicans and democrats have merged into one party which I call the Republicrats.

"They don't even try to hide it."

At least not any more. 25-? years or so ago many brave, knowledgeable patriotic Americans did research and found these international "treaties" and tried to bring it forth to the American people, only to be laughed at and called kooks, wacko's, etc.
The CFR (Counsel of Foreign Relations) has been around for many years and the government denied it existed. Now they're in your face on the TV and people still shut their eyes.

When many of these patriotic Americans were talking about CFRFEMA and its rolls, they were again laughed at. Now the CFR and FEMA is in your face on TV and in the movies. etc.

When I hear people say things like, well I'll vote for the "lesser of two evils" and I point out to them that the "lesser of two evils" is still EVIL , I get this blank stare and comments like, well what are we supposed to do? I tell 'em simple, don't vote for evil in any form.

Instead vote Constitution Party

A vote for "lesser of two evils" is like saying, do I vote for Stalin or Hitler? either one is UNacceptable.

Naturally I hear stuff like, 'well if I don't vote for a rep or dem I'll be wasting my vote'. I say if you do vote repub or dem its definitely a wasted vote. Its a wasted vote for America.

Do you really want to see a change in the government to where it once again becomes OUR government, then don't waste your vote on any Republicrat and vote Constitution Party

54 posted on 03/05/2004 7:42:08 PM PST by Mikey
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To: TigersEye
Yes, nr 2, the rest I am checking now.
55 posted on 03/06/2004 6:10:06 AM PST by knighthawk (Live today, there is no time to lose, because when tomorrow comes it's all just yesterday's blues)
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To: RickofEssex
I wouldn't mind if this organization stuck to being a place where the elected representatives of the people of the world could sit down, air their differences, and promote understanding between the Nations of the world. In a practical sense we DO need to keep the 'lines of communication' open between nations, IMHO.

However:
The institution has expanded over the years into having dreams of being a 'governing' body rather than solely fulfilling a communicative function.

Unfortunately:
1) The representatives are NOT elected. Instead, they are appointed, and.....................
2) Those doing most of the appointments (ie. Third World Hell-Holes) are not elected either.

Like most bureaucracies, it has expanded well beyond it's original mandates and doesn't represent the people. So what good is it? Ans: Nothing; Other than to promote and ensure the survival of ITSELF.

Furthermore:
It should be moved to some neutral site, like the Canary Islands or Elba. The UN's closeness to the centers of US banking and commerce BREEDS envy and corruption in its members large and small.

Anti-UN Bump.

56 posted on 03/06/2004 6:52:33 AM PST by DoctorMichael (What the %$#&!)
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