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Some 9/11 relatives angered by Bush ads
AP ^ | 3/04/04 | LIZ SIDOTI

Posted on 03/04/2004 3:56:07 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/06/2004 6:39:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON (AP) President Bush's campaign commercials on the air just one day have angered several relatives of victims of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, and a firefighters union that has endorsed Democratic rival John Kerry demanded the ads be pulled.


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To: kattracks
I have another question for the pacifists:

Suppose that Osama bin Laden were placed in a chair in the same room with you, and you were handed a gun and told that it was your job to make sure that he never planned another terrorist attack against the American people or anyone else.

What would you do, and why?

The pacifists need to be reminded if Osama bin Laden is released, he will go back to planning even more destructive terrorist attacks. If Osama bin Laden is given life imprisonment, he will probably use his attorney and other visitors to communicate orders to his terrorist cells.
51 posted on 03/04/2004 5:19:02 PM PST by punster
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To: Earl
"The libs must think these ads will be very beneficial to Bush otherwise they wouldn't be peeing in their panties."

Yes. The little liberals squeel and whine when they know they're being made to look like the ingrates they are.

Hit them harder, Rove. Do it!

52 posted on 03/04/2004 5:20:28 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: small voice in the wilderness
...he's not turning over. This playing ground is as level as it's gonna get. Get used to it. You fools chose kerry. Live with it. Just STFU and give it your best shot.

You said it. Nothing more to add.

53 posted on 03/04/2004 5:22:36 PM PST by radiohead
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To: small voice in the wilderness
I was just talking with a friend via phone. He is a democrat who lives in N.C. He said, "I wouldn't vote for kerry if he was the only person running." He thinks kerry has zero chance of winning. If a democrat thinks that way we may be in pretty good shape.
54 posted on 03/04/2004 5:24:44 PM PST by WVNan
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To: My2Cents
He is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. These family people did lose loved ones but the nation suffered also. President Bush pulled the USA through some of the toughest times in the last 60 years. So what if he used images from the WTC. He has the right to do so based on the results he has produced to defend this country and how he has led the effort to make those who planned 9/11 pay for what they did. I think that some of the complainers have an agenda that in truth is an insult to their loved ones and all who died on that day. All Americans shared in the trama of that day in September when our world changed. I say shame on some of those use this to attack our president.
55 posted on 03/04/2004 5:26:56 PM PST by Bombard
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To: Bombard
Where is the outrage when CNNBCBS and their ilk run footage of 9/11 or special reports or stories about 9/11 all to make a buck?
56 posted on 03/04/2004 5:30:31 PM PST by Homer1
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To: fight_truth_decay
I am sure that a lot of those who lost family feel like Mrs. Farrell. But guess what the media only see's fit to highlight the complainers. I am shocked!!!!! HA HA HA
57 posted on 03/04/2004 5:31:48 PM PST by Bombard
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To: kattracks
I don't know but I think I'd be miffed if 9/11 WEREN"T remembered in this campaign. I'd say the Firefighters Union doesn't represent the true feelings of many of it's members. JMHO

Well it's sundown on the unions
it was made in the USA
Surely was a good idea
till greed got in the way

Bob Dylan-


W'04
58 posted on 03/04/2004 5:32:06 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: WVNan
From your mouth to God's ear! Regards, SVITW
59 posted on 03/04/2004 5:35:08 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness (1)
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To: kattracks
This is all a bunch of whooie. The media is trying to create a controversy when there isn't one. It's amazing that these complaintants about Bush's ads came out in less than one day after the ads came out. The Kerry campaign had these few Demorats lined up with the media before The President's ads were released. The media loves McCain-Feingold.
60 posted on 03/04/2004 5:40:41 PM PST by freedom1st
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To: My2Cents
GWB's next ad should be at the World Trade Center speaking through the bullhorn with firemen standing in the background.

That will really get the DEMS growling!
61 posted on 03/04/2004 5:42:10 PM PST by Keen-Minded
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To: Howlin
Harold Schaitberger, the firefighter union's president uh oh:

Looks like a presidential candidate using firefighters for political gain.


62 posted on 03/04/2004 5:47:17 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Alberta's Child
Thank you! I've wanted to say that all day, but I keep erasing the words as I typed. It does appear that the wrong people were stuck on those buildings and airplanes that day, these ungrateful, sick pieces of garbage in the news today. I have NEVER been so disgusted, even by FL 2000, the funeral in MN, or any other crap they have pulled. I am so furious.

By the end of this election, these freak Kerry people are going to be sorry, because we will all be so furious and disgusted, even the most disenchanted conservative will not only vote for Bush, but will be volunteering like never before.

63 posted on 03/04/2004 5:50:17 PM PST by ilgipper
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To: FreeReign
...looks suspiciously hypocritical, doesn't it? I'm SO tired of the one-sided B.S.
64 posted on 03/04/2004 5:53:07 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness (1)
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To: Liberty Valance
I'd say the Firefighters Union doesn't represent the true feelings of many of it's members.

It's an international union, the International Association of firefighters.

It most likely represents international feelings. That's why it endorses Kerry, the world's candidate for America, to make America weak.

65 posted on 03/04/2004 5:53:35 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: kattracks
There's nothing distasteful or negative about the President new ads. To the contrary, they're patriotic and uplifting. And that's precisely what bothers the Democrats. They can't stand ANY good mention of America or anything that might remind people of President Bush's accomplishments in the War On Terror. The other party needs bad news to win and so far isn't getting enough it to frighten the American people into voting for them.
66 posted on 03/04/2004 5:56:15 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Tamsey
"I would vote for Saddam Hussein before I would vote for Bush."

The guy who said that lost a son in the WTC.

That son was previously a political appointee of Mel Carnahan who lost his job to a Republican when he had to face the voters in a referrendum on his performance.

His father is a jerk, who is using his son's unfortunate death to score points for his political party.

But you'd never learn that if you only read the Reuters article. They didn't find any of that information relevant. You'd think he was merely a grieving father, rather than an opportunistic political hack scumbag.

67 posted on 03/04/2004 5:56:28 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
I watched one of these people. They had the talking points down pat. Bet they were coached for months in what to say.

Carville fingerprints all over this.

I hope Bush rams these ads up the dims, well you know.. Can't wait to see the aircraft landing ad. Salute the troops.

The louder the dims scream, the more you know it hurts. BTW, is it OK for Kerry to use the Vietnam dead as props?

68 posted on 03/04/2004 5:57:47 PM PST by snooker
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To: small voice in the wilderness
Here's a shot of a presidential candidate using the flag, the military and firefighters for political gain.

Source

69 posted on 03/04/2004 6:05:11 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
These scumbags are leftists activists, as can be seen on their idiot website. If bush never mentioned the 9-11 attacks he would be castigated by these rats as forgetting their loved ones, screw them, I am very angry my tax dollars went to these evil bastards.
70 posted on 03/04/2004 6:05:58 PM PST by BOOTSTICK
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To: ilgipper
I am sick of hearing about and seeing these people who are complaining about the ads. Today must be a letter-writing day for me - here's one I just sent off to the Families of September 11 organization, since their group was mentioned in an interview with O'Reilly and with Hissy Chrissy this evening. One thing we can probably all agree on: The Dummywits will do anything and everything to prevent highlighting the strengths of this President, since their candidate is very weak in the area of national security.

All of America shares your grief in the loss of loved ones on September 11. Your organization was organized to provide strength and support for fellow citizens and it is a noble cause.

Your recent media blitz to criticize the use of a brief reminder of that tragic day seems a bit disingenuous and you marginalize your cause by such criticism.

Regardless of your political affiliation, you cannot deny that George Bush was President at the time of the tragedy. The ads he is using, and I hope will continue to use, reminds everyone in this country that September 11 was a turning point in his Presidency and in this nation. It is an emotional nudge that too many Americans need, since so many of those polled in the recent election place the threat of terrorism as far down as 6th in their priorities. You are criticizing a man who is doing everything he possibly can to prevent another catastrophe. His opponent, John Kerry, in his own words thinks the threat of terrorism has been exaggerated. Do you think it has? I doubt very much if you do.

There is no exploitation for political gain. There ARE visual reminders of the loss we, as a nation, suffered and the enormous challenges this President and this country face every day. Your excessive rants are doing nothing more than minimizing your personal loss and emphasizing your personal agendas.

71 posted on 03/04/2004 6:09:02 PM PST by Use It Or Lose It
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To: FreeReign
Well, I just heard yet another "upset family member" on Debra Norville's show use the phrases "on his watch" and "while the Twin Towers burned, he was in a classroom reading to children."

That makes about 50 today so far.
72 posted on 03/04/2004 6:13:23 PM PST by Howlin (Just another unrepentant Bush supporter.)
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To: Liberty Valance
Schaitberger is just another useless pinky ring,rolex wearing union hack.Jerks like that only care about themselves and their fellow dead weight useless hacks.They look down at the hard working dedicated firefighters as chumps.Union leaders only fight for the useless workers.I was Teamster for about 5 years and worked hard.The business reps only cared about the union members who never showed-up on time,took drugs or drank and general screw-ups.The only time they knew me was when they need my vote.
73 posted on 03/04/2004 6:43:25 PM PST by dancusa
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To: FreeReign
If you enlarge that picture,I bet you can see the rolex and pinkie ring on that union hack.You will not see dirty work hardened hands.
74 posted on 03/04/2004 6:47:55 PM PST by dancusa
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To: Keen-Minded
This should be the next Bush ad --


75 posted on 03/04/2004 6:49:38 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: FreeReign; jwalsh07
This morning I was listening to a talk show on my way to work. A NYC Firefighter called in and spoke of the Firefighters who are supporting Kerry. He said that he would guarantee that there weren't any signs with NYFD on them showing support for Kerry. He said you could go to any Firehouse in New York City, and you will find the Firefighters support President Bush.

I am very sorry for the families that lost loved ones that day. America was attacked on 9/11. President Bush has gone after the terrorists, unlike the previous administration. All this Bush bashing makes me sick.

76 posted on 03/04/2004 6:51:33 PM PST by deadhead (God Bless Our Troops and Veterans Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: Dacus943
I like your statement better.
77 posted on 03/04/2004 6:52:17 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: kattracks
Nice catch -- the article is significantly different, and actually includes a few voices in support of the ads. The media must be getting some flak for their totally biased spinning of this story.
78 posted on 03/04/2004 7:18:46 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: faithincowboys
I am amazed by this. After all the money and support (emotional and otherwise) that has been given to these families-- the way that some are acting so nakedly partisan and petty is sad. We didn't give the people of OKC anything and they have never behaved in this manner. It's a real shame how some 9-11 families are behaving.

And the more we do for them, the more they demand. If they have their way, nothing will ever be built again anywhere near Ground Zero.

79 posted on 03/04/2004 7:23:17 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: Alberta's Child
This may get a lot of people upset, but I've been saying for some time now that by the time this is all over we're going to wish those 3,000 people were still alive and many of their family members were in those buildings instead. New Yorkers always have a way of pointing out to us that the city is filled with professional malcontents.

I reached my limit with paying attention to anything these professional victims had to say when Lisa Beamer wrote a New York Times op-ed defending Robert Torricelli.

80 posted on 03/04/2004 7:27:26 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: NYCVirago
How many of these survivors have offered to help out the wives and children of dead Marines and Grunts whose only compensation was 10 grand and a knock on the door from by one of their fellow warriors?
81 posted on 03/04/2004 7:29:17 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: dead
Thanks for the info, very helpful!

I'm bookmarking your post for when this gent pops up again....

82 posted on 03/04/2004 7:31:35 PM PST by Tamzee (The Democrat Party...... Kerrying water for Communism since 1971)
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To: kattracks
>"It makes me sick," said Colleen Kelly, who lost her brother Bill Kelly Jr., in the attacks and leads a victims families group called Peaceful Tomorrows. "Would you ever go to someone's grave site and use that as an instrument of politics? That truly is what Ground Zero represents to me."<

Gee, where was Colleen when Clinton was milking the Oklahoma bombing site for all it was worth?
83 posted on 03/04/2004 7:32:58 PM PST by Darnright
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To: jwalsh07
How many of these survivors have offered to help out the wives and children of dead Marines and Grunts whose only compensation was 10 grand and a knock on the door from by one of their fellow warriors?

I thought soldiers' families who died in wartime got 250,000 grand, but I could be wrong -- anybody know what the answer is? Anyhow, your point is well-taken -- these victims have been compensated a heck of a lot more than military families ever have been, yet they're still so bitter. And they're bitter at the wrong people, too -- nobody could blame them if they were bitter at Osama bin Laden, but instead, they blame Bush!

84 posted on 03/04/2004 7:33:36 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: kattracks
Ok, so there are a few people who are offended. That's to be expected. However, the following statement by the former Mayor of New York should be thrown right back in the media's lap:

New York, NY - Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani issued the following statement:

"September 11th is the defining event of our times. This was a shared experience that the American people have all been through together. The war that the terrorists began on September 11th continues today.

"President Bush has provided the steady, consistent and principled leadership to bring our country through the worst attack in our history. His leadership on that day is central to his record, and his continued leadership is critical to our ultimate success against world terrorism."

85 posted on 03/04/2004 7:49:07 PM PST by Darnright
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To: NYCVirago
The 250,000 is a life insurance policy paid for by soldiers. The 12 grand is the compensation from the government. It used to be 6 pre Bush.

COmpared to the millions the government is giving to the family of 9/11 victims it is piss.

86 posted on 03/04/2004 7:53:04 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: deadhead
HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN
87 posted on 03/04/2004 8:01:46 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
The 250,000 is a life insurance policy paid for by soldiers. The 12 grand is the compensation from the government. It used to be 6 pre Bush. COmpared to the millions the government is giving to the family of 9/11 victims it is piss.

Thanks for the clarification -- I thought the 250,000 was standard compensation from the government, and I didn't realize it was a soldier-paid life insurance policy. And you're right that it is nothing compared to what the 9/11 victims got.

88 posted on 03/04/2004 8:14:47 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: kattracks
Let me guess. The people who are "sickened" by Bush's ads are democrats?
89 posted on 03/04/2004 8:15:40 PM PST by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: scoopscandal
skeletal remains

Nice touch, eh?

91 posted on 03/04/2004 9:42:12 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Why the long face, John?)
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To: ilgipper
By the end of this election, these freak Kerry people are going to be sorry, because we will all be so furious and disgusted, even the most disenchanted conservative will not only vote for Bush, but will be volunteering like never before.

W's getting a lot of bang for his buck with that ad!

92 posted on 03/04/2004 9:45:27 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Why the long face, John?)
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To: kattracks
(many) new yorkers and liberals won't like the ad, but they wouldn't have voted for bush anyway. conservatives will think the ads are good.
but the real issue is: will the ad get noncommitted swing voters to vote for bush, or will it turn them off? that is the only real criterion for a political ad, in my mind.
hopefully karl rove pre-tested this ad on swing voters.
93 posted on 03/04/2004 10:55:41 PM PST by drhogan
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To: kattracks
"...John Kerry demanded the ads be pulled.

Kerry can exploit the Viet Nam war to his hearts content about things that likely didn't ever happen and yet sweep the strike on America under the rug? 9/11 was Perl Harbor all over again - America was attacked, not just those that lost someone that day - America was attacked each and every one of us was attacked. The media is going to side with the left regardless of what Bush or anyone else says about his ads.

94 posted on 03/05/2004 6:03:12 AM PST by yoe (WMD come in small containers/vials...)
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To: Howlin; Constitution Day; mykdsmom
Us Yankees prefer to call it "Contained Away from Redneck Yokels"
95 posted on 03/05/2004 8:17:41 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Phantom Lord
You're NO Yankee, man!
96 posted on 03/05/2004 8:23:33 AM PST by Howlin (Just another unrepentant Bush supporter.)
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To: Phantom Lord
You need to come up with a clever acronym for Apex. ;)
97 posted on 03/05/2004 8:27:00 AM PST by Constitution Day ("The germ of dissolution of our federal government is in the constitution of the federal Judiciary.")
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To: Phantom Lord
LOL.....works for me ; )

MKM

98 posted on 03/05/2004 9:21:43 AM PST by mykdsmom (Tolerance is the last virtue of a degenerate society)
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To: Constitution Day
We don't need an acronym. We are the Peak of Good Living!
99 posted on 03/05/2004 9:26:23 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: kattracks
Anyone listening to Rush?

He's connected the dots with all the relatives of 9/11 victims appearing on the talk shows last night. He played clips of what each was saying. Low and behold most are word for word repeats of each other.

In fact, Katie Couric and a few elected dems have used specific catch phrases in their criticism of the President.

They have been coached by the DNC. There is no doubt when you hear the montage of their rants.
100 posted on 03/05/2004 9:31:35 AM PST by Republican Red (Karmic hugs welcomed!)
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