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Woman Dies Weeks After Cop Shoots Guide Dog
theINDYchannel.com ^ | Thu Mar 4, 3:59 PM ET

Posted on 03/04/2004 9:17:35 PM PST by hookman

A Madison County mother believes her daughter's death could have been prevented if an Anderson police officer had not shot her dog to death last month.

Andrea Hill, 26, died after suffering an epileptic seizure Saturday, RTV6's Jennifer Carmack reported.

Hill's mother, Linda Hall, said her medically trained black lab, Max, alerted her whenever her daughter was having a seizure.

"My dog wasn't here to let me know she had a seizure and she suffocated," Hall said.

Max was shot to death by an Anderson police officer Feb. 6. It all started when Hill's 6-year-old son didn't come home, so she called police to help with the search.

"When they first went to the house, there was a very vicious dog within the home," Anderson Deputy Chief Mark Yeskie said.

Hall said she put Max in a bedroom and left with another officer to look for her grandson, but when Officer Phil Allen re-entered the home to check for the child inside, police said Hill had opened the bedroom door, letting the dog out.

"Basically he came out and started attacking the officer. He got to the degree where he was growling, had his mouth open trying to bite the officer," Yeskie said. "You have an officer that's being viciously attacked by a 60-pound dog, and he had no choice."

According to the police report, the officer kicked the dog and shot it several times, Carmack reported, but Hall said the dog didn't pose a threat.

"He opened that door and he shot the dog in the face. The dog came at his shoe, but he didn't bite him. He didn't hurt him. He was getting at his shoe to try to get him to leave," Hall said.

Police said they were not told that the dog was medically trained.

"Through this entire incident we were never told anything special about this dog. It was a 60-pound black lab, is all we knew at the time," Yeskie said. "We're sorry for her death, for the destruction of the dog, but I think we reacted properly."

The Hall family said they are considering filing a lawsuit against the city and police department, Carmack reported.

"I explained to the officers when they came to interview us that the dog was a medical trained dog for epilepsy," Hall said. "If Max would have been alive, we wouldn't have buried my daughter today (Wednesday). Yes, I'm angry."


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1 posted on 03/04/2004 9:17:35 PM PST by hookman
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To: hookman
Scumbag cop. I am sick of these donut eaters with 80 IQs shooting at anything that moves.
2 posted on 03/04/2004 9:28:51 PM PST by ambrose ("John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands" - Lt. Col. Oliver North)
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To: hookman
ah man, that's a rough situation
3 posted on 03/04/2004 9:29:02 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: hookman
"I explained to the officers when they came to interview us that the dog was a medical trained dog for epilepsy," Hall said. "If Max would
have been alive, we wouldn't have buried my daughter today (Wednesday). Yes, I'm angry."

Police said they were not told that the dog was medically trained.

He opened that door and he shot the dog in the face. The dog came at his shoe, but he didn't bite him. He didn't hurt him. He was
getting at his shoe to try to get him to leave," Hall said.

"Basically he came out and started attacking the officer. He got to the degree where he was growling, had his mouth open trying to bite
the officer," Yeskie said. "You have an officer that's being viciously attacked by a 60-pound dog, and he had no choice."

According to the police report, the officer kicked the dog and shot it several times, Carmack reported,

but Hall said the dog didn't pose
a threat.

The police said they werent informed ....the victims family says otherwise
The police say the officer was "viciously" attacked
The family says otherwise
The officer kicked the dog...and shot it several times
The family says the dog went after the officers shoe...
4 posted on 03/04/2004 9:32:42 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: joesnuffy
Ya, them Labs are one vicious breed.
I've seen one attack a frisbie that was trying to just get away.
5 posted on 03/04/2004 9:40:44 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: hookman
"When they first went to the house, there was a very vicious dog within the home,"

Some hyperbole, perhaps?

6 posted on 03/04/2004 9:43:52 PM PST by zoyd (Hi, I'm with the government. We're going to make you like your neighbor.)
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To: ambrose; hookman
Scumbag cop. I am sick of these donut eaters with 80 IQs shooting at anything that moves.

Scumbag dog. I am sick of these kibble eaters with 8 IQs biting at anything that moves.

Ambrose, your "analysis" of the police officer's actions are as biased and irrational as my satirical statement about dogs. No, I take that back: yours are more biased and less rational. It is far easier to prove that dogs are governed by a basic instinct to fight and attack, than it is to prove that any significant number of police officers wantonly shoot "anything that moves."

7 posted on 03/04/2004 9:45:43 PM PST by SpyGuy
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To: hookman
Never seen a vicious Lab. First time for everything maybe, I dunno. Kinda doubt it though.
8 posted on 03/04/2004 9:45:55 PM PST by squidly (Money is inconvenient for them: give them victuals and an arse-clout, it is enough.)
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To: hookman
I just hate cops like that. I bet the dog hardly growled.
9 posted on 03/04/2004 9:48:43 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: squidly
We have a lab that would never harm another animal, or human but on very few occasions I have heard him growl at certain strangers. One just happened to be a cop sneaking around in the shadows.
10 posted on 03/04/2004 9:52:32 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: hookman
"Basically he came out and started attacking the officer. He got to the degree where he was growling, had his mouth open trying to bite the officer," Yeskie said. "You have an officer that's being viciously attacked by a 60-pound dog, and he had no choice."

Does anyone notice anything about this paragraph? How does a dog *basically* attack an officer?

What do they mean he was growling? All dogs growl.

How does a dog try to bite an officer? Either the dog bit the officer or it didn't. Why did the article fail to address this critical piece of information?

Why did if fail to say how many times the officer was bit?

What kind of medical attention did the officer require?

If the officer was being viciously attacked, why did they fail to say if the officer was even bit?

How can one be viciously attacked by a dog, and not be bit?

According to the article, the only one doing the attacking was the officer, kicking the dog, and then shooting it in the face, in it's own home.

This story stinks bad.

11 posted on 03/04/2004 9:58:30 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: squidly
I've seen surly Goldens, Labs, and Chesapekes. They're just a lot rarer than in other breeds.

Even my Golden, (who is really nice and well trained) will growl at people who flip her switches the wrong way. My habitually drunken neighbor can't go near the animal, and if homeless people try to talk to me they get a message.

12 posted on 03/04/2004 10:02:07 PM PST by Threepwood
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To: squidly
Never seen a vicious Lab. First time for everything maybe, I dunno. Kinda doubt it though.

Our Lab has turned vicious only once against a human and that was a man that followed me home and was peeping through my window. His entire appearance changed from the sweet pup that normally licks strangers to one mean looking dog. Scared the heck out of me because I had no idea the guy was out there until our neighbor called me up to tell me that they saw him run out of our yard around the corner to his car. Good Dog.

13 posted on 03/04/2004 10:02:56 PM PST by armymarinemom (The family reunion is moving to Iran this year-Central location and a shorter trip for the kids)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
This story stinks bad

it sure does

14 posted on 03/04/2004 10:07:20 PM PST by paul51
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To: paul51
You bet. The article says the officer was being "viciously attacked" yet it never states once if the officer was even bit, or if the officer even needed medical attention.

I'd bet good money, the dog never layed a tooth on the officer. This story reeks bad.

15 posted on 03/04/2004 10:11:44 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Yep. Have you noticed they always say "the officer was in fear for his life"?
16 posted on 03/04/2004 10:23:16 PM PST by ambrose ("John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands" - Lt. Col. Oliver North)
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To: hookman
I'm not buying it. That officer was a sadistic b*st*rd who should not be wearing a badge. I don't blame all cops for this (as some like to) any more than I blame all drivers because some aim for animals to run them over. This officer, and the officers who are lying to cover for him need to be fired and sued. The police department needs to be sued. They all need to be held accountable for the death of the dog and the woman. Some may argue that they aren't responsible for the woman's death, but what if they had taken away medicine that she needed to survive, and couldn't replace before it was needed? What if they had deliberately destroyed an ambulance's equipment, and their next patient died as a result? They need to be held accountable for their actions.
17 posted on 03/04/2004 10:39:19 PM PST by BykrBayb (Temporary tagline. Applied to State of New Jersey for permanent tagline (12/24/03).)
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To: squidly
I haven't either. I have seen jerk cops before though, more than once or twice.
18 posted on 03/04/2004 10:53:43 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: hookman
"Basically he came out and started attacking the officer. He got to the degree where he was growling, had his mouth open trying to bite the officer," Yeskie said. "You have an officer that's being viciously attacked by a 60-pound dog, and he had no choice."

Is it just me, or does this sound like the "vicious attack" consisted entirely of growling?

19 posted on 03/04/2004 10:56:24 PM PST by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: BykrBayb
I agree. It's just sad to see "Woman dies
and "Cop Shoots Guide Dog" in the same headline.
Look out for "Angry Dog Shoots Vicious Cop"!!!
20 posted on 03/04/2004 11:01:14 PM PST by hookman
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To: hookman
The cop lied. Labs are excellent protectors but don't lunge and bite...unless of course perhaps someone tries to kick it!! Now WHAT was a good way to PO the dog!!

What a woosie cop. I've had labs all my life I ought to know.

21 posted on 03/04/2004 11:07:57 PM PST by Indie (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.")
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To: SpyGuy
Guide dogs are specially trained. They go through a long period as a puppy, being socialized, and then, if they pass "entrance exams," they are given more specialized training. Vicious dogs DO NOT get to be guide dogs.
22 posted on 03/04/2004 11:27:48 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: ambrose
Scumbag cop. I am sick of these donut eaters with 80 IQs shooting at anything that moves.

that's right. He should have let the dog bite his arm off instead.

Medically trained dog? Sorry, I don't buy that. Dogs that are formally trained don't go around snapping and biting at people. They are chosen for their calm temperament.

Indeed, a dog "trained" to get help when a person has an epileptic attack would be no good if it attacked people who came to help the victim.... sounds like they trained the dog to attack strangers, and now want money...
23 posted on 03/04/2004 11:32:08 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Travis McGee
your "Officer Friendly" in action...
24 posted on 03/04/2004 11:43:17 PM PST by ambrose ("John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands" - Lt. Col. Oliver North)
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To: ambrose
I live right next to Anderson. One part of the town has a claim to fame of being one of the biggest ticket writers in the state. It's called Edgewood. If you go to court to fight the ticket, the judge will not take any excuse, and he keeps you there for two hours before your initial hearing even begins. Aside from tickets, I haven't been pushed around too much by the cops over there. I would say that Anderson isn't as bad as Indianapolis, where there is currently an all out war on local music venues being conducted by the police.

Sorry for getting off topic. The cops that shot the dog should be fired, and the city should have to pay a hefty sum. Shooting guide dogs is inexcusable.
25 posted on 03/04/2004 11:43:39 PM PST by mysterio
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To: capitan_refugio
Vicious dogs DO NOT get to be guide dogs.

that's my point. This was NOT a "guide" dog. It probably wasn't a trained dog. they would not have had to put a trained dog in a room to prevent it from biting a visitor. Why did they do that? Maybe because it was not a "trained" dog at all, merely a housepet with a little training. And Labs don't attack, unless they are trained to attack strangers.... want to bet there is something "missing" in this article? Like illicit drugs also hidden in the bedroom, where they just happened to find the dog? And death in an epileptic seizure is extremely rare...would love to see the autopsy.

26 posted on 03/04/2004 11:44:15 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Our Lab helps with medical also.
Our Lab is very protective and times EMT has had to come out we put the labs in the van.

If her daughter was in such need to bad mom didn't share a room or had closer eye on daughter untill more help could come.

My son can suffacate very easily with his trach and being a quad so we share a room and the dog alerts me when he needs suctioning.

It sounds unfortunate but the dog should have been restrained. We had a black lab and she was way too protective have 2 yellows now and they are rumored to have better tempermants.

Really unfortunate for all involved but dog owners needs to have control at all times.

When EMT comes for resp. distress we get a crew of volenteer FD show and everyone know I put all the boys in the van so no one is at risk. They always ask if the boys will be ok, yes they are use to travelling daily in the van and it is a secure den like area for them when they are nervous with all the bells and whistles.

We have had bad guys come through the area and the Sherriff dept. always calls if they need to come on our property so I will have the dogs put in a secure setting before they get out of their cars.

27 posted on 03/04/2004 11:48:24 PM PST by oceanperch (`It's A Boy Address:http://community-2.webtv.net/YaquinaBay/LangleyPortar)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I'm seeing more and more people nowadays don't know (or weren't taught when they were children) how to behave around strange dogs. Dogs are territorial creatures. Some of them will growl at a stranger who enters their turf. But the ^%$#^*()!!!! cop should have allowed the homeowner to control the dog. Where I live there have been too many cases of "cops gone wild" who have sensely and stupidly shot dogs other than allowing the dogs owners to get them under control. I hope this lady can sue that cop for everything he has!!
28 posted on 03/04/2004 11:56:43 PM PST by proudofthesouth
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To: philetus
My black Lab who died 4yrs ago was over protective. We went to LA once and someone tried breaking into the van didn't get far.

But Waui did get aggresive when people came inside our gated property. It does happen with some Labs.

She was never viscous in our presence but enough people experienced her when we where gone.

Our Chocolate (can barely walk) and our eight year old we rarely ever leave home alone, now our new baby 10wks started training at 7weeks and we expect to travel with him too but for now he travels in a crate untill he matures.

Leash in public no matter what except for the Chocolate as he can barely walk more than four steps and has always been a loving crotch sniffer.
29 posted on 03/04/2004 11:57:54 PM PST by oceanperch (`It's A Boy Address:http://community-2.webtv.net/YaquinaBay/LangleyPortar)
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To: LadyDoc
Men in uniform who are trained as PO sometimes come across as calous and hard maybe the dog took that the wrong way.

Why didn't Mom keep closer tabs on her daughter after the dogs death knowing her medical needs?

I agree with you someone is looking for money. The cop did not cause or stop the treatment of the daughters seizure.

Before I open my door I put the boys up...period.
30 posted on 03/05/2004 12:05:03 AM PST by oceanperch (`It's A Boy Address:http://community-2.webtv.net/YaquinaBay/LangleyPortar)
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To: LadyDoc
I remember a story about a young lady who was quad Cerebral Palsy and the parents loaded her up in the van for church went back in to close up and came back to find a plastic bag had flew in the kids face and suffucated her.

I know make sure no debris/burger wrappers ect. are left in the van esp. when on the road and I run in to go potty.

Unfortunate story but money is not going to take away the pain of losing a disabled child.
31 posted on 03/05/2004 12:09:27 AM PST by oceanperch (`It's A Boy Address:http://community-2.webtv.net/YaquinaBay/LangleyPortar)
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To: LadyDoc
Like illicit drugs also hidden in the bedroom, where they just happened to find the dog?

Or the bodies of three dozen prostitutes, missing Nazi treasure or Osama bin Laden...

If we're going to accuse them of crimes with absolutely no evidence, we might as well make them interesting crimes...

32 posted on 03/05/2004 1:58:29 AM PST by gd124
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To: gd124; LadyDoc
If we're going to accuse them of crimes with absolutely no evidence, we might as well make them interesting crimes...

Cop was looking to loot a supposedly empty house, and panicked when he found the dog in the bedroom.

33 posted on 03/05/2004 3:18:10 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one telling the truth)
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To: mysterio
Particularly on private property
34 posted on 03/05/2004 3:27:34 AM PST by dobberkcd
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To: SpyGuy
No trained aid dog is vicious. They are screened for personality much more carefully than cops are. The cop is a scum. And either a coward for killing a harmless useful dog or a vicous thug who killed because he could, for fun.
35 posted on 03/05/2004 3:46:23 AM PST by Rifleman
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To: joesnuffy
I agree. They are CTA (Cover Their A$$es) on this one. No reason for their actions.
36 posted on 03/05/2004 4:06:56 AM PST by moonman
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To: Oztrich Boy
Cop was looking to loot a supposedly empty house

They were looking for a missing kid. First place the cops do is search the house, to make sure the kid isn't in the closet, under a bed, etc. hiding from his mom...happens all the time with "missing kids"

...even Jon Benet Ramsey wasn't found for hours because careless cops didn't search every closet and open every door in the house because they assumed she was kidnapped. These cops were following procedure.

again, I point out that these people are after money for a "trained" dog who was killed. But the dog was so vicious he was locked in the bedroom when the cops came. Sorry, but trained dogs don't have to be locked up. Guidedogs are picked for their patience with strangers.

As I said in an earlier post: Follow the money.

And do an autopsy to see why a person died of a simple seizure: even when I worked at a retarded institution with a couple hundred seizure patients, we lost only about two a year during seizures--and this was thirty years ago, when we just didn't have many medicines to control seizures, unlike now when we have much better medications...yes it happens, but it's rare.

37 posted on 03/05/2004 4:09:13 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: hookman
Idiot. Some morons should not have guns. I'm glad my family is not being "protected" by this imbecile.
38 posted on 03/05/2004 4:09:16 AM PST by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: LadyDoc
"But the dog was so vicious he was locked in the bedroom when the cops came. Sorry, but trained dogs don't have to be locked up. Guidedogs are picked for their patience with strangers."

My dogs are certainly not "vicious" either. But I do put them up in the bedroom when there are strangers in the house. To say that locking a dog up in a bedroom proves the dog is "vicious" is to say that using a leash in public also "proves" the dog is vicious.

Today, police are trained to protect themselves in any situation. Rightly so, but part of that training is to kill dogs when there is the slightest indication that an officer might be in danger. (There was even a special dog team at Waco whose mission was to kill the dogs that were locked in a fenced enclosure. The first thing shot at Ruby Ridge was the family dog. There have been numerous reports of police officers killing dogs upon entering houses.) I suppose it would have been too much trouble to close the door.
39 posted on 03/05/2004 4:20:12 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: DugwayDuke
I have to put my Boxer outside or in another room when strangers come over. He tends to annoy them with his constant licking and tail-wagging.
40 posted on 03/05/2004 4:32:20 AM PST by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: LadyDoc
As I said in an earlier post: Follow the money.

And as I say in this post: look skeptically at people whose stories are blatently CYA.

41 posted on 03/05/2004 4:46:45 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one telling the truth)
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To: ambrose
"Yep. Have you noticed they always say "the officer was in fear for his life"?"

Yeah, some cops don't seem to be very brave.
42 posted on 03/05/2004 4:50:40 AM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: hookman
"Eulogy of The Dog
By: George G. Vest

Gentlemen of the jury, the best friend a man has in this world may turn against him and become his enemy. His son or daughter whom he has reared with loving care may prove ungrateful. Those who are nearest and dearest to us---those who we trust with our happiness and our good name---may become traitors to their faith. The money that a man has he may lose. It flies away from him, perhaps when he needs it most. A man's reputation may be sacrificed in a moment of ill-considered action. The people who are prone to fall on their knees to do us honor when success is with us may be the first to throw the stone of malice when failure settles its clouds upon our heads. The one absolutely unselfish friend that man can have in this selfish world---the one that never deserts him, the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous---is his dog.


Gentlemen of the jury, a man's dog stands by him in prosperity and in poverty, in health and sickness. He will sleep on the cold ground where the wintry winds blow and the snow drives fiercely, if only he can be near his master's side. He will kiss the hand that has no food to offer, he will lick the wounds and sores that come in encounter with the roughness of the world. He guards the sleep of his pauper master as if he were a prince. When all other friends desert, he remains. When riches take wings and reputation falls to pieces he is as constant in his love as the sun in its journey through the heavens. If fortune drives the master forth an outcast in the world, friendless and homeless, the faithful dog asks no higher privilege than that of accompanying him to guard against danger, to fight against his enemies. And when the last scene of all comes, and death takes the master in its embrace, and his body is laid away in the cold ground, no matter if all other friends pursue their way, there by his graveside will the noble dog be found, his head between his paws, his eyes sad but open in alert watchfulness, faithful and true even to death.

Compiled from eye witness accounts of a trial summary delivered by George Graham Vest in 1870 at the old courthouse in Warrensburg, MO during a trial about the shooting of a farmer’s dog named “Old Drum” by a neighbor."
43 posted on 03/05/2004 5:05:03 AM PST by BayouCoyote (I love my chocolate lab.)
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To: oceanperch
Men in uniform who are trained as PO sometimes come across as calous and hard maybe the dog took that the wrong way.

It could just be the uniform. We had a lab mix that went absolutely nuts when a man in uniform knocked on our front door. The dog was visibly embarrassed when my brother (just home from USAF basic training) took off his hat and spoke to him.

44 posted on 03/05/2004 5:06:09 AM PST by magslinger (Carpe Ductum)
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To: LadyDoc
"But the dog was so vicious he was locked in the bedroom when the cops came. Sorry, but trained dogs don't have to be locked up."

I think it would be totally irresponsible to let a family pet be running around loose when there are strangers coming in and out. Doing is surely no indication of viciousness. Sheesh... we shut our Shih Tzu up any time even friends are coming in and out.

If I had heard about this without having already heard of numerous instances of officers going off half-cocked on family pets, and the words of the officers themselves in this particular case didn't ring so hollow, I'd give more benefit of the doubt.

I sure am not going to jump the gun and say that it doesn't deserve a fair hearing before I accuse the family of being druggies or $ hungry connivers.
45 posted on 03/05/2004 5:27:46 AM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Trinity_Tx
Reason # 4,289 to hate these disgusting pig fascists.
46 posted on 03/05/2004 5:32:53 AM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: Guillermo
Yikes. LOL

For the record, I don't hate cops at all. Out of the ~10 I have ever known, 4 were power-hungry morons out to prove something, but I wouldn't want to dis the 7 good guys because of the other four...

Does anyone remember the story from a little over a year ago about the family in Tennessee that got wrongly pulled over, ordered out of their car, forced onto the ground, and had their family dog shot by an officer when they all refused to heed the mother's and kids' pleas that they shut the car door so the dog wouldn't get out?
47 posted on 03/05/2004 5:47:53 AM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: All; sinkspur
Here's a link to the CNN story with a description of the video of the above-mentioned incident I found doing a google search.
48 posted on 03/05/2004 5:57:34 AM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Trinity_Tx
Yes, I do.

That was reason #2,941
49 posted on 03/05/2004 6:19:19 AM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: LadyDoc
And Labs don't attack, unless they are trained to attack strangers.... want to bet there is something "missing" in this article? Like illicit drugs also hidden in the bedroom, where they just happened to find the dog?

Oh, for God's sake, that's totally out of line.

50 posted on 03/05/2004 6:32:57 AM PST by freedomluvr1778
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