Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Krauthammer: "Gibson's Blood Libel"
Washington Post ^ | Mar. 5, 04 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 03/04/2004 10:24:16 PM PST by churchillbuff

Edited on 03/05/2004 10:48:45 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Gibson's Blood Libel

By Charles Krauthammer Friday, March 5, 2004; Page A23

Every people has its story. Every people has the right to its story. And every people has a responsibility for its story. ...[snip]

Christians have their story too: the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. Why is this story different from other stories? Because it is not a family affair of coreligionists. If it were, few people outside the circle of believers would be concerned about it. This particular story involves other people. With the notable exception of a few Romans, these people are Jews. And in the story, they come off rather badly.

Because of that peculiarity, the crucifixion is not just a story; it is a story with its own story -- a history of centuries of relentless, and at times savage, persecution of Jews in Christian lands. This history is what moved Vatican II, in a noble act of theological reflection, to decree in 1965 that the Passion of Christ should henceforth be understood with great care so as to unteach the lesson that had been taught for almost two millennia: that the Jews were Christ killers.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: bigot; clueless; fool; gibson; krauthammer; liberalchristian; missingthemark; moron; moviereview; passion
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 441-460461-480481-500 ... 1,221-1,239 next last
To: dubyaismypresident
You are not seriously asserting that Mel Gibson made this movie to make money, are you?

What's wrong with making money? There is a great deal of money to be made in Hollywood and there is no shame in doing so.

Ya, a movie in foreign languages with subtitles gaurantees a box office score.

Let's get real. If Gibson had not been interested in making money he would have released his film with little fanfare, and not engaged in a protracted and well-planned PR campaign that went on for over six months. Nor would he have made lucrative merchandizing deals which pad the bottom line.

That is not to say he was not sincerely interested in sharing his vision of The Passion with world, and that he did so due to deeply-held beliefs.

As this movie has garnered such wildly different reactions from a broad spectrum of viewers, it is clearly open to interpretation and it's viewing is clearly a personal experience.

A discussion of the movie ought to be able to undertaken without people slinging mud and making blanket statements which impugn the character of those who agree, or disagree, with the way the story is told.

461 posted on 03/05/2004 7:09:05 AM PST by veronica ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GW Bush 1-20-04)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 442 | View Replies]

To: ZULU
I think you are judging Krauthamer too harshly.

EXCUSE ME? HIS COLUMN TITLE ACCUSES GIBSON OF "BLOOD LIBEL" AND YOU SAY I'M TOO HARSH? WAKE UP-- THERE'S NO MORE TOXIC ACCUSATION THAN BLOOD LIBEL. AND HERE IT ISN'T JUSTIFIED. IF HE'D CALLED GIBSON A CHILD MOLESTOR IT WOULDN'T BE MUCH LESS HARSH.

462 posted on 03/05/2004 7:09:56 AM PST by churchillbuff (?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 368 | View Replies]

To: Just mythoughts
You believe what you choose, however, blaming Christ(ians) won't fly.

So I shouldn't place some blame Christian Europe for the Holocaust? I should just blame the Europe of the 1930s and 1940s? I shouldn't blame (in part) a church that named Jews as Christ killers for 15 centuries?

463 posted on 03/05/2004 7:12:50 AM PST by dennisw (“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 458 | View Replies]

To: veronica
"Let's get real. If Gibson had not been interested in making money he would have released his film with little fanfare, and not engaged in a protracted and well-planned PR campaign that went on for over six months. Nor would he have made lucrative merchandizing deals which pad the bottom line."

Nice try veronica, however you leave out what started the PR campaign, a THEFT occurred which began an organized uprising to STOP this movie from ever being made.

It wasn't Mel PR moves that drew my attention it was the ADL's PR campaign that drew my attention.

464 posted on 03/05/2004 7:12:54 AM PST by Just mythoughts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 461 | View Replies]

To: churchillbuff
Krauthammer is usually so good. This is one place where objectivity fails him.
465 posted on 03/05/2004 7:13:10 AM PST by aruanan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xsmommy; sinkspur
a schismatic Catholic
yes it does come down to that with you.

Now, Now sink, I know I have pointed out to you before that the Vatican does not consider the SSSPX and it's offshoots, schismatic.....As long as you persist in spreading falsehoods, I will be forced to continue to out you.

(See Bottom of page for Quote reproduced here.)
"The situation of the members of this Society is an internal matter of the Catholic Church. The Society is not another Church or Ecclesial Community in the meaning used in the Directory. Of course the Mass and Sacraments administered by the priests of the Society are valid"(end quote)

Opinions are one thing. Lies are another.

466 posted on 03/05/2004 7:13:34 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 438 | View Replies]

To: dennisw
Hitler's crazed mind fueled the Holocaust. The enmity between Christians and Jews for centuries was no different in kind from what you find today between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland or Jews and Arabs in Israel. Genocide crosses a line--and there is plenty of evidence Hitler was inspired by Stalin, not by Christianity.Yet more and more you find Jewish intellectuals who blatantly charge Christianity itself with the Holocaust, making a linkage. This in turn has inspired more and more hate emanating from the Jewish intellectual community. The linkage is now received opinion--and it will create the very hostile reaction it fears. If this high profile anti-Christianity keeps up, inevitably it will result in as much hostility against Jews here in America as there is already in Europe. And it will have been self-created. It's just plain nuts. Krauthammer has been irresponsible.
467 posted on 03/05/2004 7:15:33 AM PST by ultima ratio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 445 | View Replies]

To: dennisw
"So I shouldn't place some blame Christian Europe for the Holocaust? I should just blame the Europe of the 1930s and 1940s? I shouldn't blame (in part) a church that named Jews as Christ killers for 15 centuries?"

You really want me to answer that question?

Seems to me Christ stands on His own, and His instructions from the beginning to this day stand on their own.

Blaming Him which is what you do when you claim "Christian" to blame is what I totally reject. Remember Christ never SINNED, He was the perfect Blood Sacrifice for one and all time.

No way to compare the two separate events which is what you are doing.
468 posted on 03/05/2004 7:16:38 AM PST by Just mythoughts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 463 | View Replies]

To: dennisw
Following your line of thought, we should then say that Communism was Christian. The old Tsarist Empire was predominantly Russian Orthodox in religion. Most of the soldiers in the Red Army and the secret police in the Cheka were baptized into the Orthodox faith and many probably grew up in homes with icons and with parents who faithfully attended church on Sundays and holy days. Stalin even studied for the Orthodox priesthood before becoming a Marxist. You could argue that the Russian Orthodoxy's unqualified support for the Tsarist autocracy laid the groundwork for most of the Russian people submitting to their new Communist masters. The philosopher/novelist Ayn Rand stated that the mysticism and opposition to rational thought she saw in Russian Orthodoxy laid the groundwork for the "muscle mysticism" of the Bolsheviks.

In fact, since Tsarist Russia was more devoted to their Orthodox religion than Weimar Germany was to Lutheranism or Catholicism, there should be a greater tie between Christianity and Communism than between Christianity and Nazism. For over a century prior to Hitler's rise to power, Germany was the home of atheistic and skeptical thought, not to mention the native land of Karl Marx and Frederich Engels. British and American nonbelievers and freethinkers, men like John Dewey and George Bernard Shaw, drew heavily from the works of German philosophers.

You can no more tie the folk religious beliefs of Germans and other mid-Europeans (such as the "blood libel" against the Jews, not part of official Catholic or Protestant dogma) with the neo-pagan, Darwinist beliefs of the Nazis because of a common element of disdain for the Jews than you can tie Russian Orthodoxy with Communism because of common threads of altruism and support for tyranny.

469 posted on 03/05/2004 7:17:01 AM PST by Wallace T.
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 445 | View Replies]

To: hobbes1
You have your interpretation of the situation. Unfortunately, it differs from the Church's interpretation. You follow schismatic, excommunicated bishops.

It is not licit for a Catholic to attend an SSPX Mass when another Mass is available.

And, I'm not going to argue this further. This is not the thread for it.

470 posted on 03/05/2004 7:18:30 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 466 | View Replies]

To: mercy
The fact that you are wholly unwilling to empathise with sensible and feeling jewish human beings is not christian.

No offense, but your "feelings" about what a Christian is or should be is worth less than zero to many of us.
Empathising with the neuroses of the unnormal is not an obligation that I am willing to take on. You seem unable to make a distinction between real grievances and imagined ones. Knock yourself out.

471 posted on 03/05/2004 7:19:21 AM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 226 | View Replies]

To: veronica
What's wrong with making money? There is a great deal of money to be made in Hollywood and there is no shame in doing so.

There is nothing wrong with making money. Ascribing it as his #1 motivitation (unless your a mind reader) is slimy.

Ya, a movie in foreign languages with subtitles gaurantees a box office score.

Let's get real. If Gibson had not been interested in making money he would have released his film with little fanfare, and not engaged in a protracted and well-planned PR campaign that went on for over six months. Nor would he have made lucrative merchandizing deals which pad the bottom line.

You don't think there was substantial financial risk in making this movie? Look how long it took to get a distributor.

That is not to say he was not sincerely interested in sharing his vision of The Passion with world, and that he did so due to deeply-held beliefs.

Thank you

As this movie has garnered such wildly different reactions from a broad spectrum of viewers, it is clearly open to interpretation and it's viewing is clearly a personal experience.

Of course

A discussion of the movie ought to be able to undertaken without people slinging mud and making blanket statements which impugn the character of those who agree, or disagree, with the way the story is told.

I was responding to a mud slinging.

Perhaps open discussion is just a one way street.

472 posted on 03/05/2004 7:19:56 AM PST by NeoCaveman (New and improved is typically neither!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 461 | View Replies]

To: dennisw
re: Then what set the stage for the holocaust? It didn't come from nothing. )))

It came from ghastly human wickedness. From sin. From the vicious cruelty of which we all are capable.

And it came from bloody-mindedness, from stupid intellectual vanity and petty resentment.

Rather like concerning oneself with a posturing condemnation of a work of religious expression in a free culture, alienating one's natural alies in the process...all the while failing to face the reality of an ever-strengthening and satanic enemy.

473 posted on 03/05/2004 7:20:08 AM PST by Mamzelle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 445 | View Replies]

To: montag813
Gibson's reliance upon Anne Catherine Emmerich vs. the Gospels?

Excuse me, but the scourging of Christ is not only mentioned in the Gospels, it's mentioned in Isaiah (and also the Psalms I believe). As for what scourging amounted to - - that's an historical matter, for which they did research, I believe. The movie flows like "the stations of the cross" -- which is a Catholic rite, so Krauthammer shouldn't be concerned about it, since he's so insistent on citing the Vatican against Mel

474 posted on 03/05/2004 7:20:43 AM PST by churchillbuff (?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 428 | View Replies]

To: veronica
Ah yes. The attacks on any Jew who does not like this movie continues.

Ah, no.

Defense of the film, Chiristianity, and Christians against those who would accuse us of anti-Semitism where it doesn't exist continues.

These are not "attacks on any Jew who does not like this movie."

I saw Father Andrew Greeley on TV last night. He did not like the film at all. But you people do not attack him relentlessly, do you?

"You people?" Watch who you libel.

Jews aren't being attacked by "us people." Stop grandstanding.

I haven't read Greeley's comments. Post a thread on him and see what happens.

How dare you smear good people in this manner. Just because they disagree with you.

I'm uneasy with the neocon/Jew formulation. I'm also uneasy with the viciousness by which some Jews, such as Krauthammer, have taken the opportunity of this film to display their anti-Christian bigotry against Christians in a Christian nation that has always been Israel's best friend.

If you think our ongoing support to Israel will remain unremarked in the face of these smears, you will find you are mistaken.

And if you think that "The Passion of the Christ" or the unnecessarily hostile reaction to it by some Jews will cause us Christians to be any less believers that we should bless the seed of Abraham in the Land where God has placed them, then you are also mistaken.


475 posted on 03/05/2004 7:21:19 AM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 396 | View Replies]

To: Just mythoughts
Nice try veronica, however you leave out what started the PR campaign, a THEFT occurred which began an organized uprising to STOP this movie from ever being made.

Baloney. An urban legend. The controversy started last April long after the film had been shot and was most likely already in post production.

Controversial 'Passion' presents priceless opportunity for education

A toxic film delivers a dangerous, but teachable, moment

By Paula Fredriksen

"Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" came into my life last April. Gene Fisher, the ecumenical officer for the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, convened a group of scholars to assess Mr. Gibson's script - its historical fidelity, use of New Testament materials, and consonance with Catholic instruction.

Why did we on the panel care? This was, after all, just a movie. The answer, in part, lay with Gibson's own publicity efforts. In numerous interviews, he'd presented his movie as an act of God, insisted that it was the most historically accurate depiction of Christ's passion ever filmed, and paraded his own Catholic piety as authentication of his movie.

But Gibson had revealed some historical gaffes. One source for his story came not from the first-century Gospels, but from Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824), a stigmatic nun whose visions enunciated an anti-Semitism typical of her time. (She believed that Jews used the blood of Christian babies for rituals.) And, finally, website stills of the movie were marked with Hollywood gore: "Realism" had less to do with history than with celluloid violence."

So you see, while the ADL jumped on the bandwagon, that horse had left the barn, to mix my metaphors.

476 posted on 03/05/2004 7:22:10 AM PST by veronica ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GW Bush 1-20-04)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 464 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
OF course you won't. Because you ae being untruthful, unless somehow you speak with more Authority on the subject than Cardinal Casssidy, President of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity......
477 posted on 03/05/2004 7:23:30 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 470 | View Replies]

To: dennisw
So I shouldn't place some blame Christian Europe for the Holocaust?

1. Christians DESTROYED the Holocaust. The soldiers of the allied armies were overwhelmingly Christian - as the crosses above their graves at Normandy attest. Churchill and Roosevelt sang "Onward Christian Soldiers" at the Atlantic Conference. 2. Your blaming of Christians reminds me of Father Coughlin blaming Jews for communism in Russia because a disproportionate number of the Bolshies were Jewish. 3. Are you saying there was no antisemitism in the world before Jesus? What about Xerxes, who tried to wipe out the Jews but was foiled by Esther? 4. If Christianity is to blame for antisemitism, how do you account for Muslim antisemitism?

478 posted on 03/05/2004 7:25:22 AM PST by churchillbuff (?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 463 | View Replies]

To: veronica
"Baloney. An urban legend. The controversy started last April long after the film had been shot and was most likely already in post production."

Oh, "urban legend", right. Nice code words.

The controversy started long ago, from the beginning.

Now I spoke to how I became aware of this film. Veronica you are "FREE" to believe whatever you choose.

However, you fall flat by comparing Christ, who never SINNED, to the rest of man.



479 posted on 03/05/2004 7:27:25 AM PST by Just mythoughts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 476 | View Replies]

To: churchillbuff
Charlie K. Bud, you missed the message. You are way off base.
480 posted on 03/05/2004 7:27:32 AM PST by pointsal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 441-460461-480481-500 ... 1,221-1,239 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson