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To: Hamza01
First, have you actually read my post?

Yes

As I said before, to any rational mind, Holocaust denial or revisionism is: "idiocy, or dangerous idiocy". But being in error is not the same as sin. Only if it were a conscious and deliberate decision to minimize the Holocaust becuase of malice toward the Jews-- only then would it rise to the level of sin. Are there people who meet that standard? Sure. Is Hutton Gibson one of them? I don't think so.

We do not read this from the same book.

In any case, does it really matter whether 4,5, or 6 million Jews were systematically murdered by the Nazis. Does it make the Nazis any less evil?

It does not make the Nazis any less evil. Holocause Denial and Revisionism is used to try to make the Nazis appear less evil. If Mel Gibson were making a movie about it he would show the adversary involved in it plotting a sequel to the Holocaust.

You state: I am not your bro. I apologize. I was under the mistaken impression that the sons and daughters of Adam were brothers and sisters. Would you prefer Cousin, then?

You need not apologize. I do not accept the premises of Islam. If you are a friend to Israel and the Jewish people I will call you sadiqi. It would be more natural than Ibn Am or Ibn Hal.

Are you such a friend ?

1,212 posted on 03/07/2004 9:16:59 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
Holocause Denial and Revisionism is used

Holocaust Denial and Revisionism are used

1,213 posted on 03/07/2004 9:29:55 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
Our post/counterposts have revolved around a few issues...

1. Should Gibson have condemned his father publicly? I say no, and you say yes. We have been through that a few times, and I think you know why from a moral perspective I feel that is unacceptable.

2. Is Holocaust denial/revisionism a sin? You say it always is. I say that it is ignorance and stupdity but not a sin. Lack of knowledge or facts or an unconscious error cannot be a sin. A just God would not deem it so. But when this denial is made consciously to trivialize the suffering of the Jews, then it does rise to the level of sin.

You say that our difference here is because we don't read from the same book. Well, I have read your Book, too, and while I am no scholar, it seems to me that God is not unjust and would not condemn a man for mere ignorance of the facts.

3. You say that you do not accept the premises of Islam. That's fine. But you do understand that the fundamental premise of Islam is that there is one supreme deity who created the universe and sent prophets to be his signs?

Do you disagree with that as a Jew?

Another fundamental premise is that all men are brothers and equal in the eyes of God, separated by the good they do in the time alotted. Is this not a premise of the Old Testament which describes Man as the sons of Adam to be judged for their deeds.

4. Finally, you close by saying "If you are a friend to Israel and the Jewish people I will call you sadiqi".

First, I do not choose nations for friends, I choose men and women, be they Christian, Muslim, or Jew. Second, in Arabic, "sadiq" means truthful. I would not be truthful if I told you that I am a friend to the modern state of Israel. My sympathies are obviously on the other side of that one. But that does not mean I would tolerate malignant injustice towards a Jew-- or anyone else.

It certainly does not mean that I could glory in the murder of innocents, even enemy innocents, whose lives are claimed by murderering beasts who dare to fly the banner of my ancient fathers.

So, maybe I'm not a friend to Israel, but I'm a pretty good friend and business partner to many American Jews.

1,216 posted on 03/07/2004 11:37:38 PM PST by Hamza01
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