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Trooper Accidentally Shoots Man (Homeowner in Shower in PA)
The Morning Call (New Jersey) ^ | March 5th, 2004 | David Slade

Posted on 03/07/2004 12:11:30 AM PST by Travis McGee

State troopers, alerted by contractors there might be a burglar in a Schuylkill County home they were working in Thursday, cornered a man in the upstairs bathroom and accidentally shot him while trying to arrest him.

The man turned out to be the homeowner.

David L. Freed Jr., 51, of Wayne Township was hit in the shoulder by a bullet from Trooper Kirk Kirkland's .40-caliber handgun, Trooper Ray Albert said. (Click link for rest.)

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: accident; bang; banglist; farce; incompetent; keystonekops; leo; oops; police; reno911; shower; showers; tragedy
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And there are many Americans who believe that only highly trained professional police officers should be allowed to own or use firearms.
1 posted on 03/07/2004 12:11:31 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: *bang_list

BANG!


2 posted on 03/07/2004 12:12:37 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee; *bang_list
I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you.
3 posted on 03/07/2004 12:14:52 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Travis McGee
Looks like deputy Fife should have left the bullet in his pocket.
4 posted on 03/07/2004 12:16:02 AM PST by edeal
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To: Travis McGee
Police have filed no charges against Freed, but said they are investigating.

Priceless........Stay safe !

5 posted on 03/07/2004 12:21:26 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Travis McGee
What's this world coming to?! Not even our showers are a refuge anymore!
6 posted on 03/07/2004 12:23:45 AM PST by Redcloak ("Aye...And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon." -Capt. Montgomery Scott, Starfleet, ret.)
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To: Travis McGee
The guy is probably hard of hearing, maybe prior service.
7 posted on 03/07/2004 12:29:48 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Travis McGee
"Police have filed no charges against Freed, but said they are investigating"

There you have it. Trigger-happy Trooper Kirk Kirkland shoots a citizen while pistol-whipping him in citizen's own home, and the NJSP is desperately looking for some way to charge the victim of this crime.

The NJSP is so adamantly opposed to citizens owning weapons that they have their own old ones melted down. That is, the ones that don't somehow slip out of NJSP custody and into the hands of organised crime.

Who's the real threat to public safety?

d.o.l

Criminal Number 18F

8 posted on 03/07/2004 12:31:22 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Redcloak; Mulder; Dead Corpse; Noumenon
Well let's keep our eye on what's REALLY important: No police were hurt. "Everybody (LEOs) goes home."

It was just a civilian who got shot. Serves him right for taking a shower in his own home without notifying his contractor's laborers.

9 posted on 03/07/2004 12:32:43 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Looks like this could be something for John Edwards to look into. He will be unemployed soon after the election.
10 posted on 03/07/2004 12:34:20 AM PST by dwilli
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To: Travis McGee
It was just a civilian who got shot. Serves him right for taking a shower in his own home without notifying his contractor's laborers.

Or, apparently, obtaining written permission to shower from the State Police.

No wonder Americans are pi$$ed off at government!

11 posted on 03/07/2004 12:37:09 AM PST by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: dwilli
Looks like this could be something for John Edwards to look into. He will be unemployed soon after the election.

Why him? The victim survived. Besides he is nothing more than a flimflam artist. Oh you don't mean the sci-fi channel psychic guy, you mean the democratic senator. In that case, I guess flimflam artist still applies.

12 posted on 03/07/2004 12:39:07 AM PST by edeal
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To: TLI; archy; Myrddin; harpseal
I often drag a small radio into my shower, and blast talk radio right through my long shower. You could knock down my front door and I wouldn't hear it. The cops are SO out of bounds on this! Plus, the guy was probably expecting to hear some noise coming from the workers anyway. He probably thought the cops were his workers, until they were right on him.
13 posted on 03/07/2004 12:46:13 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
I'd also like to add that the NJSP has been a laughingstock among agencies for decades because of its inept firearms policies. It was one of very few agencies to purchase the grip-cocking, gas-delayed oddity, the H&K P7, and they proceeded to shoot themselves, each other, and the landscape frequently enough that they either had to change guns or begin training officers (or recruiting trainable ones, if that's the problem).

Choice was the S&W 99. The choice was made, as ever in New Jersey, on kickbacks and political backscratching -- in this case, it was a payoff for the S&W lawsuit deal with the Clinton administration. There was only one slight problem: the S&W was so unreliable that the troopers couldn't even shoot themselves, let alone their usual targets: innocent citizens, each other, floorboards and roofs of cruisers, and highway signs. Not to mention whatever was behind, around or nearby fleeing felons. About half of the troopers had jams with the Smith... so they rolled the dice again.

I believe they finally came up SIG, but you have to want to sell guns really badly to sell them to these bozos. I wonder if the NJSP's very clumsiness with their service weapons is why they are death on Joe Citizen owning a gun (it's certainly why they were nearly death on this Joe Citizen).

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

14 posted on 03/07/2004 12:52:07 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Travis McGee
I hope this isn't meant as a criticism of LEO's in general. You can't blame an entire profession for the actions of a few miscreants. The cops were summoned, legitimately, and the homeowner was mistreated by accident, not on purpose. They messed up, but this isn't a policy of government that is to blame. What would you have the cops do when called, ignore it?
15 posted on 03/07/2004 12:56:37 AM PST by jim35 (A third party vote is a vote for the DemocRATs.)
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To: Travis McGee
Officer Friendly.
16 posted on 03/07/2004 1:02:07 AM PST by ambrose ("John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands" - Lt. Col. Oliver North)
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To: Travis McGee
The cop had probably watched too many movies and expected there to be a naked chick in the shower with a "come hither" look. Finding the person behind the curtain was just your typical New Jerseyite caused an instant panic, hence the poor shot.
17 posted on 03/07/2004 1:03:29 AM PST by Tall_Texan ("We must defeat the evil-doers" - George W. Bush)
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To: Criminal Number 18F; Travis McGee
...the NJSP is desperately looking for some way to charge the victim of this crime.

Or the journalist made a gaffe. The police are probably investigating their 911 call center, the dispatcher, and the police teams that responded -- which we would expect!

Just the same, the mcall.com editorial staff should have caught it. With a situation like this, how could they not catch the irony of that sentence? That right after saying that a .40 wound is "superficial." The muzzle blast alone could cause serious skin or eye damage, let alone being grazed or receiving a flesh wound. This article is astounding.

The guy came inches for being killed, and the editors are too glib to check for gross ironies in their coverage...

18 posted on 03/07/2004 1:05:50 AM PST by risk
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To: Travis McGee
Could be they were afraid he was carrying a concealed weapon.

Or he coud have squirted them in the eyes with the shampoo.

He might have loofa-ed them and escaped.

Maybe they saw he was all lathered up about something, and feared he was a slippery character about to run.
19 posted on 03/07/2004 1:07:51 AM PST by biggerten (Love you, Mom.)
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To: Travis McGee
I an't believe that I'm the first one that gets to do the obvious joke based on the hoary old definition of "gun" in the Marine Corps...

He must have reached for his gun (i.e. his short arm).
20 posted on 03/07/2004 1:08:06 AM PST by RatSlayer
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To: jim35
How about, "Don't shoot naked wet men in the bathroom when you don't know who it is?"

The point is, LEOs get a gimmee every time when their incompetence leads them to shoot an innocent party. If a civilian did this, he'd be in jail facing 20 years. Plus, the LEOs immediately begin to bargain their CYA by hinting at charging the man they shot. This stinks, in a free country.

21 posted on 03/07/2004 1:08:46 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: biggerten
It reminds me of a guy who was shot a few years ago by mistaken cops. He was carrying a big white hair drier, which they thought was a gun. In his own house, coming out of his own bathroom.
22 posted on 03/07/2004 1:10:12 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: RatSlayer
an't s/b can't

DAMN TYPOS!
23 posted on 03/07/2004 1:12:03 AM PST by RatSlayer
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To: jim35
Since when do burglars break into houses to take showers? The idiot contractors should have known better, and so should the cops.
24 posted on 03/07/2004 1:21:24 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Who would a terrorist vote for?)
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To: Squantos
I love it when any police entity "investigates" itself.
25 posted on 03/07/2004 1:25:56 AM PST by cynicom
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To: cynicom
Agree......Oughta be a law !

Stay Safe..........;o)

26 posted on 03/07/2004 1:32:28 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Travis McGee
How big is this house that they searched for 5 or 10 minutes before finding him in the shower....if the shower was on I'd hope they could hear water running? 5 minutes let alone 10 is really a long time to be going room to room, sounds as if these guys can't judge time or they were just plain damn scared. My bet is on scared which is why a crouching naked man is now shot.

You have to love real life, you just can't make this stuff up.

27 posted on 03/07/2004 1:41:12 AM PST by Kakaze
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To: Travis McGee
He never would have been shot if he hadn't been taking such long showers. That's what you get for decadence and moral degeneracy--the complete breakdown of society. I, for one, and glad we have law enforcement officers capable of upholding common standards of decency and environmental responsibility in the face of water-wasters.

Well, it sounds better when you say "illegal drugs" intead of "such long showers."

28 posted on 03/07/2004 1:54:09 AM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: biggerten
He might have loofa-ed them and escaped.

ROTFLMAO!
As I young boy I remember having a soap on a rope shaped like a revolver. Back then every single toy that a boy had was shaped like a gun. We had lots of time and many indians to kill. And everything was in kodachrome and nice bright colors, and aquamarine, aquamarine.

29 posted on 03/07/2004 1:54:29 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Criminal Number 18F
This probably took place in PA unless NJ also has a Schuylkill County and a Morning Call newspaper.

Morning Call is an Allentown, PA paper and Schuylkill County is in eastern Pa coal country.

30 posted on 03/07/2004 2:09:10 AM PST by NEPA
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To: cynicom
"I love it when any police entity "investigates" itself."

Reminds me of what bored monkeys do in their cages.
31 posted on 03/07/2004 2:14:11 AM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: Travis McGee
Need a headline correction. Schuylkill Co., home of Yuengling Beer, is in Pennsylvania not NJ.
32 posted on 03/07/2004 2:30:30 AM PST by leadhead
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To: Fresh Wind
"...Since when do burglars break into houses to take showers?..."

It didn't say he was taking a shower, or that he was naked and wet, just that he was crouched down, hiding in the shower. The same "idiot" contractors could have just as easily foiled a burglary with a timely phone call if the circumstances had been different. Nevertheless, in general you are correct about this being a general mess up, but it hardly rises to the level of state despotism.
33 posted on 03/07/2004 3:55:52 AM PST by jim35 (A third party vote is a vote for the DemocRATs.)
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To: Travis McGee
"...How about, "Don't shoot naked wet men in the bathroom when you don't know who it is?"..."

Where does it say that he was naked and wet? It only says that he was found crouched down in the shower.

"...The point is, LEOs get a gimmee every time when their incompetence leads them to shoot an innocent party. If a civilian did this, he'd be in jail facing 20 years..."

"...If a civilian did this, he'd be in jail facing 20 years..."

Maybe, or maybe not. Some civilians get off even when they dismember their victims and dump them into the ocean. Your being a little hysterical here.

"...Plus, the LEOs immediately begin to bargain their CYA by hinting at charging the man they shot..."


They merely said they were continuing to investigate.


"...This stinks, in a free country..."

This isn't despotism, this is simple incompetence on the part of a clumsy LEO, preceded by a misunderstanding.
Giving an automatic "gimmee" is wrong, to be sure, but crucifying them for making a mistake would be just as bad, for all of us. It would make it a lot easier on the crooks, though.

34 posted on 03/07/2004 4:03:05 AM PST by jim35 (A third party vote is a vote for the DemocRATs.)
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To: jim35
The point is, if you wait for state despotism, you have waited too long. Police cannot make mistakes, in these circumstances. For over forty years, the US military handled nuclear weapons, flew them all over the world, had them at the ready, and NEVER made a mistake with them, because proceedures were in place to prohibit misstakes because one mistake was all you got. The same holds true with dynamic entry into the homes of citizens.

IMHO the government cannot afford mistakes, and any number higher than one, is too many. Which brings us to police/military style raids on the homes of citizens, and I contend that two police in suits with concealed weapons, is firepower enough. If you are serving a warrant, then serve it at your risk, not the citizens. That would show sufficient willingness to allow "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" to prevail.
35 posted on 03/07/2004 4:20:58 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
There are 21 counties in NJ, I can name every one of them from memory. Schuylkill County is NOT one of them.

There are over 60 counties in Pennsyvnia, I can name maybe 50 of them from memory.

Schuylkill County is in PENNSYLVANIA, near Harrisburg and Reading, and there is a Wayne Township there. (There's a lot of Waynes in Pennsylvania, and a few in Jersey, and there is definitely a Wayne in http://city.state-pa.us/Schuylkill-County/Wayne-Township)

36 posted on 03/07/2004 4:36:43 AM PST by bvw
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To: Travis McGee

Guns don't kill people, the government does.

37 posted on 03/07/2004 4:37:27 AM PST by aomagrat
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To: neverdem
The guy is probably hard of hearing

As a recent convert to the deaf, it is one of my greatest fears that an officer will say something I cannot hear and I'll be put down for the offense of not complying with a lawful order.

Then again, I'm the paranoid type.

38 posted on 03/07/2004 4:42:22 AM PST by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: Travis McGee
Police have filed no charges against Freed, but said they are investigating.

Well, good. Yeah, the cop negligently shot a restrained, unarmed guy who had been taking a shower in his own house, but let's not forget who the real bad guys are here.

39 posted on 03/07/2004 5:01:31 AM PST by Timm
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To: Travis McGee
Another reason to rely on yourself to protect your domicile, rather than an ill trained or just plain dumb policeman.

Many great cops out there but many dummies too. Many of our public schools suck and will produce poor specimens for the police academies.
40 posted on 03/07/2004 5:05:40 AM PST by dennisw (“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”)
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To: Travis McGee
Just for the record, the newspaper is from NJ. Schuylkill County is in Pennsylvania,and the trooper was PA state police.
41 posted on 03/07/2004 5:17:46 AM PST by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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To: Travis McGee
John Lott talks about this in his books. Police get to the scene afterword and have to figure out who the bad guy is. This doesen't mean polce don't need their weapons but the police do have a problem in this area.
42 posted on 03/07/2004 5:30:17 AM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270)
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To: wita
The point is, if you wait for state despotism, you have waited too long. Police cannot make mistakes, in these circumstances. For over forty years, the US military handled nuclear weapons, flew them all over the world, had them at the ready, and NEVER made a mistake with them, because proceedures were in place to prohibit misstakes because one mistake was all you got. The same holds true with dynamic entry into the homes of citizens.

Your first point is excellent, and sums up the situation in a way that had so far defeated me. Unfortunately, we have actually made mistakes with nuclear weapons(!), dropping some and having the conventional explosives trigger portion detonate....really!

43 posted on 03/07/2004 5:53:50 AM PST by NukeMan
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To: Travis McGee
Can you say giant f*cking lawsuit that the state will have no choice but to settle for big $$$$?


And rightfully so I'd say.

44 posted on 03/07/2004 6:42:32 AM PST by Gringo1 (All contents of this post may be contrived,made-up,or just plain not true at all.)
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To: wita
For over forty years, the US military handled nuclear weapons, flew them all over the world, had them at the ready, and NEVER made a mistake with them, because proceedures were in place to prohibit misstakes because one mistake was all you got. The same holds true with dynamic entry into the homes of citizens.

While your larger point is valid, be real careful when you make sweeping generalizations about Nuclear Weapons Handling Procedures. A least a few incidents still remain classified and there were in fact several highly publicized incidents during the Cold War.

Just a "heads up"

Best regards,

45 posted on 03/07/2004 6:49:44 AM PST by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: genefromjersey; Travis McGee
Just for the record, the newspaper is from NJ.

THE MORNING CALL
101 North 6th St.
Allentown, PA 18101
(610) 820-6500
Home Delivery Info
Local: (610) 820-6601
Toll-free: (800) 666-5492
Left on the page half-way down.
46 posted on 03/07/2004 7:04:37 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: brityank
Sorry 'bout that,BUT: the trooper was Pennsy State Police-not ours.Our guys take enough flak from the "You're profiling our people !" crowd, without getting jumped on by the KABA crowd too.
47 posted on 03/07/2004 7:13:59 AM PST by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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To: Travis McGee
As if... I needed... yet another reason to detest New Jersey.

On my short list of states, to be traded for a player to be named later.

48 posted on 03/07/2004 7:19:42 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Travis McGee
So his gun just "went off"?

These are the people who the gun-grabbers want us to rely upon to defend us against criminals!

I feel safer already!

49 posted on 03/07/2004 7:21:35 AM PST by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: xsrdx
yet another reason to detest New Jersey.

Oops, looks like this was PA.

I still don't like NJ.

50 posted on 03/07/2004 7:23:31 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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