Immigration reality eludes GOP

Arizona Republic ^ | 7 March 2004 | Randy Pullen

[Spiff]

Unfortunately for Rep. Jeff Flake, he apparently has lost contact with his conservative roots in Arizona. In reading his column "Bush offers migrant plan conservatives can support," I noted several inaccuracies and misstatements that cannot go unchallenged.

Conservatives and most liberals do value national security and controlling our borders. Recently conducted polls overwhelming support the enforcement of our immigration laws, including KAET-TV/ASU, GOPUSA, ProjectUSA, News/Insight Magazine and FrontPage Magazine.

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The problem is that the open border socialists would use environmental laws to say some "shrub snail" would be impeded by a wall.

As a practical matter, there is a national security exemption to environmental regulations.

Based on a fox news special there are points in the US border where there is NOTHING blocking entry. You can just drive across.

[lewislynn]

if Kerry in power, would not Republican control of Congress make republicans ban all Kerry wishes?

No, republicans want "Kerry wishes" as much as Kerry does...they just don't admit it out loud.

[TLI]

Bush offers migrant plan conservatives can support advertisement

Rep. Jeff Flake Jan. 18, 2004 12:00 AM

President Bush's immigration initiative has sparked a great deal of discussion . . . .

Interesting. Every time they go back to the original January "proposal."

Anyone want to bet the January "proposal" gets backed up with a "directive" to get it "passed?"

Here is a tidbit that will give you that secure warm fuzzy feeling...

Study after study conducted by reputable research institutes such as the National Academy of Sciences, the Rand Institute, the National Research Council and the U.S. Council of Economic Advisors reveal the negative impact of such programs on U.S. workers. Government research suggests that 50 percent of wage loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the immigration of low-skilled workers.

Nice to know that GW reads the advice of what we the TAXPAYERS have already footed the bill on but is also looking out for not only your future but the future of your children as well, eh?

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How do you punich an employer who hires a person with a valid (forged) social security card and a valid driver's license.? There is no national ID card. There is no national language law. An employer can comply with the law and STILL be hiring illegals.

Wistleblower bounties would only lead to retaliation calls whenever someone gets passed over for someone with an accent.

Even a national ID card would not fix things, look at europe where most countries have national ID cards but out of control illegal aliens.

The wall is needed to keep entry at points WE want, not to the convenience of law breakers.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Bump!

Study after study conducted by reputable research institutes such as the National Academy of Sciences, the Rand Institute, the National Research Council and the U.S. Council of Economic Advisors reveal the negative impact of such programs on U.S. workers. Government research suggests that 50 percent of wage loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the immigration of low-skilled workers.

[TLI]

people are absolutely fed up with his constant pandering to Mexico and his big spender ways.

And now for the BIG chill up your spine . . there is no way George Bush does not know that.

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Kinda grabs you by the short ones, don't it?

T L I

[philetus]

"Obviously, there is a disconnect between our political leaders at all levels of government and the people of this great nation."

There is NO disconnect.
The pols know we want the immegration laws enforced.
They know we don't want illegals, guest worker programs, or amnesty.

They don't believe anyone will stop them from doing what they want to do.

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From John Kerry's website, in his own words:

Fairness And Security In Immigration Policy


John Kerry believes that America needs immigration policies that are fair and safe. The United States is a diverse nation built by people from all parts of the world who are here because they believe in freedom, democracy, and justice. Immigration is central to our nation’s history, as almost all of us are immigrants or the descendants of immigrants. At the same time, John Kerry believes the federal government must secure our borders so that terrorists do not use our immigration system as a means to enter the country and do us harm.

Priorities

	Efficient Citizenship and Enforcement Services
	John Kerry supports efforts to cut the backlog of applications pending with the Bureau for Citizenship and Immigration Services, speed up the naturalization process and reduce the wait for family visas and other important matters. John Kerry has also called for reforming and adequately funding border enforcement to ensure that only legal immigrants can enter the country.

Restoring and Protecting Benefits for Legal Immigrants

John Kerry supports efforts to restore benefits to legal immigrants. The 1996 welfare reform law made most legal immigrants, including those already in the United States, ineligible for welfare, health care and other essential programs. In the years since, some of these benefits have been restored and John Kerry remains committed to fighting for the full restoration of benefits for legal immigrants.

	Supporting the DREAM Act
	John Kerry supports legislation that would provide immigration relief to undocumented young people who have spent their formative years in the United States, who have graduated from high school here, and who can demonstrate good moral character. The DREAM Act repeals a law that prevents these promising young people from attending college in the United States.

Family Reunification

John Kerry believes that we should unite and not divide families by making family reunification the cornerstone of our immigration system. John Kerry supports allowing immigrants who are eligible for permanent resident visas to be processed in the United States rather than processed in their home country. He also supports restoring the discretion of immigration judges to evaluate cases on an individual basis and grant relief to deserving immigrants and their families.

	Expedited Citizenship for Members of the Armed Forces
	John Kerry believes the naturalization process for legal permanent residents serving in the Armed Forces should be expedited, the naturalization filing fee should be waived, and armed service members should be allowed to naturalize overseas. More than 37,000 legal permanent residents serve in the military nationally.

Earned Legalization

John Kerry supports a proposal that will allow undocumented immigrants to legalize their status if they have been in the United States for a certain amount of time, have been working, and can pass a background check. This makes sense for the economy, provides fairness to people in our communities who have worked hard and paid taxes, and will also allow us to strengthen our homeland security by bringing undocumented workers out of the shadows and into the light of greater accountability.

[jpsb]

A short history of teaching math in America

Teaching Math in 1950:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?

Teaching Math in 1960:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

Teaching Math in 1970:

A logger exchanges a set "L" of lumber for a set "M" of money. The cardinality of set "M" is 100. Each element is worth one dollar. Make 100 dots representing the elements of the set "M." The set "C", the cost of production contains 20 fewer points than set "M." Represent the set "C" as a subset of set "M" and answer the following question: What is the cardinality of the set "P" of profits?

Teaching Math in 1980:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

Teaching Math in 1990:

By cutting down beautiful forest trees, the logger makes $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? What's wrong about it? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the forest birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down the trees? (There are no wrong answers.)

Teaching Math in 2000:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $120. How does Arthur Andersen determine that his profit margin is $60? And how many documents were shredded to achieve this number?

Teaching Math in 2010:

El Loggero se habla with the truckero y se ponen de acuerdo con otro driver de la competencia y etc...

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In any guest worker program the employer has to apply for the employee. The expese of hiring lawyers and filing fees are paid by the employer. It adds to the cost of labor.

[TLI]

I prefer this . . .

We affirm the integrity of the international borders of the United States and the Constitutional authority and right of the federal government to guard and to protect those borders, including the regulation of the numbers and of the qualifications of immigrants into the country.

Each year some 972,000 legal immigrants and hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens enter the United States. These immigrants — including illegal aliens — have been made eligible for various kinds of public assistance, including housing, education, Social Security, and legal services. This unconstitutional drain on the federal Treasury is having a severe and adverse impact on our economy, increasing the cost of government at federal, state, and local levels, adding to the tax burden, and stressing the fabric of society. The mass importation of people with low standards of living threatens the wage structure of the American worker and the labor balance in our country.

We favor a moratorium on immigration to the United States, except in individual hardship cases or in other individual special circumstances, until the availability of all federal subsidies and assistance be discontinued.

We also insist that every individual group and/or private agency which requests the admission of an immigrant to the U.S., on whatever basis, be required to commit legally to provide housing and sustenance for such immigrants, bear full responsibility for the economic independence of the immigrants, and post appropriate bonds to seal such covenants.

The Constitution Party demands that the federal government restore immigration policies based on the practice that potential immigrants will be disqualified from admission to the U.S. if, on the grounds of health, criminality, morals, or financial dependence, they would impose an improper burden on the United States, any state, or any citizen of the United States.

We oppose the provision of welfare subsidies and other taxpayer-supported benefits to illegal aliens, and reject the practice of bestowing U.S. citizenship on children born to illegal alien parents while in this country.

We oppose any extension of amnesty to illegal aliens.

We oppose bilingual ballots. We insist that those who wish to take part in the electoral process and governance of this nation be required to read and comprehend basic English as a precondition of citizenship. We support English as the official language for all governmental business by the United States.

Constitution Party

[InABunkerUnderSF]

There were employer sanctions in the 1986 illegal alien amnesty bill (Reagan's worse mistake) but the courts threw them out.

The reasoning went something like, we can't punish employers because the illegals may have lied to them and we can't let the employers verify a worker's status because it would invade the prospective employee's privacy - perfect circular judicial reasoning.

In 1986 there were about 2 million illegals in the US. Now there are between 8 and 14 million. Recognizing that we aren't going to be deporting the equivalent of possibly 5% of our total population - the equivalent of New York City plus LA County, some kind of accommodation has to be reached. But before we do that, not maybe after, we MUST take control of our borders and find a way to punish people who seek to profit from the destruction of our national sovereignty.

Rome fell because it wouldn't control it's frontiers. We could go the same way.

[judgeandjury]

How do you punich an employer who hires a person with a valid (forged) social security card and a valid driver's license.?

As far as I know, there is no law that prevents an employer from picking up the phone and calling the Social Security Administration and the Department of Motor Vehicles to verify the information that is on the Social Security card and the driver's license that a job applicant hands the employer.

[lewislynn]

In any guest worker program the employer has to apply for the employee. The expese of hiring lawyers and filing fees are paid by the employer. It adds to the cost of labor.

So the reason there's so much interest by employers in H1 B visas workers is because?_______

[TLI]

Rome fell because it wouldn't control it's frontiers. We could go the same way.

We COULD go the same way? Friend, we are WELL on the way.

T L I

[c-b 1]

This came from the Arizona Repugnant, hard to believe.

[InABunkerUnderSF]

Hey, I'm a stary eyed optimist. What can I say.

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There are federal privacy laws regarding social sec. (imagine ID thieves being able to get the personal data with a simple phone call) The DL is valid and validly issued. (in fl thieves stole actual computers and license blanks. They had the possiblity of producing real licenses because the state had no idea which numbers were stored in the computers.)

You don't have to go that far. With the correct supporting documents, you can easily get a legit DL.

If you have to question each document then there is no point in issuing those doucments.

[InABunkerUnderSF]

So the reason there's so much interest by employers in H1 B visas workers is because?_______

Because for the first time since the 13th amendment employers have workers who can't quit and go elsewhere if they don't like the wages or working conditions. H1Bs are the lesser part of the problem.

Actually, L1s are the greater evil. Your employer can't make you train an H1B but he can tell you that you can either train the L1 who will replace you in a couple of months or leave now without benefits or unemployment.

Also, H1B spouses can't legally work in the US. Spouses of people on L1 visas can. Therefore, for each L1 visa issued, the livelihood of one skilled worker is destroyed and potentially the livelihood of one entry level worker as well.

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Naah rome fell because "Better the hun you don't know than the tax collector you do know."