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Unexpected Heat Wave Cited in Blackout
Los Angeles Times ^ | March 10, 2004 | Elizabeth Douglass

Posted on 03/10/2004 2:01:53 PM PST by Jubal Harshaw

Edited on 03/10/2004 2:29:57 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Unexpected Heat Wave Cited in Blackout

By Elizabeth Douglass, Times Staff Writer

Record high temperatures throughout Southern California triggered the state's first major power blackout since the energy crisis, leaving 70,000 customers in the dark for 21 minutes. The problems weren't the result of power plant meltdowns or market manipulation but something more mundane: Too many people used their air conditioners at the same time.

The state's grid operator declared an emergency at 6:21 p.m. Monday when hotter-than-expected weather pushed electricity demand above anticipated levels and threatened to overload a key transmission line.

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(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: California
KEYWORDS: blackouts; calpowercrisis
I can't believe no one else posted this yet, but I did a search on "blackout" and it didn't appear. Nevertheless, I think it's noteworthy that one of some Freepers favorite topics, CA blackouts, is back.
1 posted on 03/10/2004 2:01:53 PM PST by Jubal Harshaw
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To: Jubal Harshaw; *calpowercrisis; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Robert357; randita; ...
Thanks, I had not heard about any blackouts!

They're B A C K!!!!

2 posted on 03/10/2004 2:10:35 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Jubal Harshaw
It's 82 and breezy down here by the SF Bay. Beautiful!
3 posted on 03/10/2004 2:13:17 PM PST by Monti Cello
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To: Jubal Harshaw
I read this and really feel like doing one of those "back in my day" soliloquies. As in ... back in my day we did not consider temperatures in the 80's to be a "heat wave".

I made my first trip to Cali in an old Chevy without AC during the first week in June. I still think Needles is the ugliest place on earth.

5 posted on 03/10/2004 2:15:15 PM PST by old3030 ("Appearances are a glimpse of what is hidden." (Anaxagoras))
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To: Jubal Harshaw
Thanks for the note. Auto-excerpt can be tricky.
6 posted on 03/10/2004 2:32:49 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Monti Cello
I am having my own private heat wave here in TX...my A/C went out in my office, I have no windows that open and the maintenance guy can't come until tommorrow!
7 posted on 03/10/2004 2:35:10 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: _Jim
ping
8 posted on 03/10/2004 2:35:17 PM PST by null and void
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To: Jubal Harshaw
Women and minorities hardest hit ;-)

Surprised that it hasn't been blamed on Bush.

9 posted on 03/10/2004 2:47:02 PM PST by Inspectorette
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Davi$ Legacy


10 posted on 03/10/2004 3:16:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Our Troops! ... Thrash the demRats in November!!! ... Beat BoXer!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
They're B A C K!!!!

And they're going to get more common. You're building a lot of new homes and stores in California, but you're not building any more power plants.

You have a couple of options. You can pass a law prohibiting any new buildings from being wired for electricity, or you can expect blackouts to get bigger and worse over the coming months and years.

Oh, I guess you could also allow power plants in Mexico to sell power to you, but your legislators oppose that.

Okay, okay, you also have a fourth option. You could allow more power plants to be built, BWAAAHAHAHA like that's going to happen....

11 posted on 03/10/2004 4:09:50 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
You are smirking!!!
12 posted on 03/10/2004 4:23:01 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I guess I am, because I would have thought that even the Democrat bureaucrats would have learned from the mistakes of Gray Davis by now.

Instead, because of a variety of factors, not least of which was the recession, California got a couple years of reprieve on their growing power needs.

Instead, they stuck their heads in the sand and didn't use the time to prepare for economic recovery and the future.

Well, it's the future and nothing has been done yet. All of us who were frequent posters on the previous threads knew this would happen again. So, I think we're all feeling vindicated.

I'm not saying that this is the start of a new and frequent wave of blackouts. The next one might be next year for all I know. But I do know that demand for power will continue to increase over time, and it will overtake supply unless supply is increased. That conclusion does not make me a genius. It means I see the obvious, which is something that California lawmakers can't.

13 posted on 03/10/2004 4:33:17 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Amen to that!
14 posted on 03/10/2004 4:44:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
My favorite!
15 posted on 03/10/2004 4:45:31 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Jubal Harshaw
Wow! And it's only March! It's in the low 80's today in the east bay area (San Francisco bay area). I'm lovin' it. Of course, even with blackouts, we will see continued opposition to building new power plants and transmission lines. I guess we will be needing to buy a generator.
16 posted on 03/10/2004 4:49:49 PM PST by .38sw
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To: .38sw
It has cooled off down here in LA today, very nice and very comfortable!

See Dog Gone's comments on building power plants!
17 posted on 03/10/2004 4:58:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Jubal Harshaw
A little Blast from the Past:

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18 posted on 03/10/2004 5:01:10 PM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It's going to get warmer here the next few days - I think it will be in the mid-80's by the weekend. I saw Dog Gone's comments, and he's right. I remember reading that the recession was California's dirty little secret as to why the rolling blackouts stopped - not because we were building new power plants, but because of the economic slowdown. Less demand for power. Things are picking up again, there are homes being built, and they're going to need power. Does Arnold have a plan to deal with this issue? Guess I'd best to check out his website and see.
19 posted on 03/10/2004 5:05:15 PM PST by .38sw
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To: Jubal Harshaw
Good old Path 26.

Still blocking an adequate exchange of power from Washington/Oregon/NorCAL to SoCal and the Southwestern US/Mexico.

Increased capacity to 3400MW both directions and it's still not even adequate for a spring day.

20 posted on 03/10/2004 5:21:22 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I checked the wecc.biz daily reports published on the 11th, 10th and 9th.

http://www.wecc.biz/daily_reports/2004/March/20040309.pdf

It states, The CISO issued a Transmission Emergency Notice for Path 26 at 18:22 based on north to south flows exceeding the path capability. The notice was terminated at 19:00."

It further stated, "From 0400-2200 the Path 26 is limited to 2,500 MW north to south and 3,000 MW south to north due to outage of the Los Banos-Midway #2 500-kV line."

Just for those who don't know Midway, is the electrical heart fom which life-blood main veins radiate from the Pacific Northwest Hydrosystem to California.

Right now there is a big debate occuring as to whether water should be spilled at dams (some claim it will help salmon, but little real science) or be used to generate electricity for part of this summer. Many in the PNW are becoming concerned that the snow pack is looking a little below normal for this time of year.

All of this should be interesting as the summer moves on. I still haven't heard that anyone (Arnord!) has cleaned house at the CAL-ISO. Until that happens, I wouldn't trust California to have reliable power.

21 posted on 03/13/2004 4:16:21 PM PST by Robert357
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To: Robert357; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; randita; tubebender; heleny; ...
Thanks for dropping by!

Arnoold needs to take more action, seems he is moving a bit slow!
22 posted on 03/13/2004 7:37:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Jubal Harshaw
bttt!
23 posted on 03/13/2004 7:37:57 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Awww Geeez.. Not this again!!! ;-)
24 posted on 03/13/2004 7:40:36 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Our Troops! ... Thrash the demRats in November!!! ... Beat BoXer!!!)
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To: Jubal Harshaw
"The problems weren't the result of power plant meltdowns or market manipulation but something more mundane: Too many people used their air conditioners at the same time.
The state's grid operator declared an emergency at 6:21 p.m. Monday when hotter-than-expected weather pushed electricity demand above anticipated levels and threatened to overload a key transmission line.

Something more mundane? Blame it on the customers? It's the green nitwits that limited and screwed with the supply that are causing the problem. Hotter than expaected my butt. It's CA and it gets hot there. Whether it's now, or in a month the same is going to happen.

25 posted on 03/13/2004 7:42:46 PM PST by spunkets
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To: NormsRevenge
You talking about the blackouts or Arnoold?
26 posted on 03/13/2004 7:48:45 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I'm trying to be on my best behavior.. Now stop it. ;-P lol
27 posted on 03/13/2004 7:52:54 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Our Troops! ... Thrash the demRats in November!!! ... Beat BoXer!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Good, be Nice!
28 posted on 03/13/2004 8:34:39 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It's hard but ... :-|
29 posted on 03/13/2004 8:39:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Our Troops! ... Thrash the demRats in November!!! ... Beat BoXer!!!)
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To: Dog Gone
You forgot my options:

Disconnect the power from all enviromentals's homes, offices and business sites (if they own a business.

Then, disconnect the power of every elected office holder in their homes and offices in California who has voted against building new power stations .

No power for illegal aliens and welfare bums.

Let San Francisco, Berkely and Marin county provide their own power and drinking water.

Restrict all universities to solar power for their electricity needs.

That should "conserve" enough power for the rest of us until we get some new power plants built and on line.
30 posted on 03/14/2004 7:20:57 AM PST by Grampa Dave (America can't afford a 9/10 John F'onda al Querry after 9/11.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Sounds good to me.

Give the Rats a reality check!
31 posted on 03/14/2004 9:02:22 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
I resemble that! I'm on my best behavior when I DON'T post! lol.
32 posted on 03/14/2004 1:43:51 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for the ping!

I didn't experience any blackouts last Monday or any day recently, but it was warm everywhere.

I hope we still get some cool weather and rain before the weather gets warmer in the next six months!

33 posted on 03/15/2004 1:12:24 AM PST by heleny
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