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The Bush-McCain love-hate relationship
MSNBC ^ | 11 March 2004 | Howard Fineman

Posted on 03/11/2004 2:57:32 PM PST by shrinkermd

WASHINGTON - Truth be told, John McCain really can't stand George W. Bush, even if he agrees with him on a lot of things, especially Iraq. It's amusing for us political reporters to watch the senator from Arizona struggle with the role fate handed him: riding shotgun on the Bush re-election stagecoach. It's hard to know whether McCain, deep down, wants to protect his passenger or let the Indians have him. As for Bush, he doesn't trust McCain, but needs him.

McCain's rhetorical flirtation with the idea of becoming Sen. John Kerry's running mate is just the latest act in an ongoing intramural psychodrama that began in 1999, and no amount of common geostrategic purpose in the post-9/11 world can end it. He is a proud man, a fierce fighter, with an ego to match the pride and the ferocity. He wanted the Republican nomination in 2000, wanted it badly, and raged against what he saw as a system rigged against him.

As the season started, McCain surveyed the landscape and saw Bush as a pampered kid being set up in the family business — presidential politics — on the strength of his father's connections and access to money. McCain railed in private about this. He tried to laugh about it, but there was seething anger beneath. McCain was from royalty, too, in his own way — Navy royalty. He was the namesake of a famous father, too, and that smoothed his path to Annapolis, and helped keep him there. But he had paid his dues in the most profound way, with five years of his life in prison cells in Hanoi.

The deeper wound was South Carolina. Had McCain won the primary there, he might be president today. His own tactical mistakes were costly. But there was another reason for his loss. The good ol' boy supporters of the Bush Team savaged McCain and his family, spreading vicious rumors about their character and racial makeup. No direct tie to the campaign has been found. But none was needed. The boys didn't have to be told what to do. They knew. They'd done it before, to others.

Letting bygones be bygones

After it was all over, Bush, with his usual steely geniality, told McCain that the rough stuff of the primary season was not his fault and, in any case, was just politics. Time for bygones to be bygones. Exactly what the senator said in reply isn't known. But Bush and Karl Rove knew that they couldn't afford to antagonize McCain further. McCain, for his part, didn't want his "maverick" reputation to rob him of the chance to be a major player in a capital dominated by his fellow Republicans.

Even had 9/11 not happened, the Bush White House would have had to tolerate McCain. He is chairman of perhaps the most powerful and certainly the busiest committee in Senate, the Commerce Committee. Virtually every big-hitting corporation with business in Washington needs to see Rove & Co., of course, but they also, quite often, need to see the senator.

Since the Twin Towers fell, Bush and McCain have been thrown into closer proximity. The president needs McCain's support and credibility as a military man; McCain needs the president to champion their shared belief that force — and only force — can teach the terrorists and their blathering U.N. apologists that America will protect itself at all costs.

McCain has been measured but evidently quite serious in his praise of the president's handling of the war on terrorism and the aftermath of 9/11 in particular. He told friends that he thought Bush had risen to those occasions impressively.

The fun of needling Bush

But McCain still finds it hard not to remind the White House of his independence, and can't resist needling Bush even when he dutifully is arguing the president's case. We were right to go to Iraq, McCain says repeatedly, but he has been increasingly tough on the administration's intelligence-gathering problems and use of intel in making its case for war. He has refused to sanction the notion that intelligence data was deliberately distorted, but insisted on the need to probe — hard — for the facts.

When Bush-Cheney ’04 launched a TV ad last week that invoked the horrors of 9/11, McCain defended the move — but added that perhaps the president's team might have chosen other pictures for the video: just enough to give critics some support.

And now the question of the veepship. It's true that he and Kerry are close. They are perhaps the leading members of an informal caucus of Vietnam Veterans in the Senate, a fiercely loyal group that tends to eschew party lines whenever possible to express solidarity with one another. It's also true that, like any politician, McCain likes to make news, likes to be in the limelight, and likes to be asked if he has any interest in being a partner in a national ticket.

I don't think McCain is serious. He'll stay where he is, but it's not because he feels any affection for the guy he's riding with.

Howard Fineman is Newsweek’s chief political correspondent and an NBC News analyst.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; fineman; mcain; narcissism; president; rage
"He is a proud man, a fierce fighter, with an ego to match the pride and the ferocity. He wanted the Republican nomination in 2000, wanted it badly, and raged against what he saw as a system rigged against him."

Couldn't agree more with the above. Would add though, McCain is consistently blindsided by his own rage--not the sort of person to be at fulcrum of power.

1 posted on 03/11/2004 2:57:32 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
"As for Bush, he doesn't trust McCain, but needs him. "

BULL

Bush doesn't need McCain for anything. It's called damage control of an emotionally disturbed enemy.

The liberal media are going to feature McCain any time they think they can get him to say something bad about Bush, so Bush has to keep massaging McCain's ego to keep him from running to the press with hurt feelings.

2 posted on 03/11/2004 3:05:05 PM PST by bayourod ( Kerry's 1st wife: $250M; 2nd wife: $700M; Mistress: priceless.)
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To: bayourod

3 posted on 03/11/2004 3:22:29 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: bayourod
He is a pain in the butt -- he whines about slander in South Carolina but the truth be told he does have a colored child, who was not conceived with his wife. Bush and his team did nothing wrong -- McCain needs to let it go.
4 posted on 03/11/2004 3:23:12 PM PST by jojodamofo
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To: shrinkermd
McCain should turn his rage on John Kerry...after all, it was this guy who was responsible for the inner rage McCain feels. After all, Kerry helped the Viet Cong torture McCain by his anti-war testimony.

McCain can forgive Kerry but can't get over an out-of-line Bush supporter?
5 posted on 03/11/2004 3:25:41 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: shrinkermd
McCain's rhetorical flirtation with the idea of becoming Sen. John Kerry's running mate is just the latest act in an ongoing intramural psychodrama that began in 1999 ... He is a proud man, a fierce fighter, with an ego to match the pride and the ferocity. He wanted the Republican nomination in 2000, wanted it badly, and raged against what he saw as a system rigged against him.

McCain won't ask for the Democratic Vice-Presidential nomination. He'll continue to act amused by the suggestion, without quite nailing the door shut to the possibility. That way he gets plenty of publicity and political leverage and ego massaging.

But if Kerry begs him, I think McCain will accept the VP nomination. After all, it would once again make him a star in the political firmament, and it could bring him very close to his goal of the Presidency. He'll never get another shot at it, and his ambition and pride will make it difficult if not impossible to turn a real offer down.

Will Kerry beg? If the polls show that it's his best or only chance to win the Presidency, Kerry wouldn't hesitate for a nanosecond to beg. He'll do whatever it takes to win the election, and if putting McCain on the ticket upsets a few hard-core anti-war Democrats, tough sh!t.

6 posted on 03/11/2004 3:33:31 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: jojodamofo
do you mean the child they adopted?

are you playing the 'is is' game?
7 posted on 03/11/2004 3:55:00 PM PST by dwills
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To: shrinkermd
The deeper wound was South Carolina. Had McCain won the primary there, he might be president today. His own tactical mistakes were costly. But there was another reason for his loss. The good ol' boy supporters of the Bush Team savaged McCain and his family, spreading vicious rumors about their character and racial makeup. No direct tie to the campaign has been found. But none was needed. The boys didn't have to be told what to do. They knew. They'd done it before, to others.

So, even though nobody was able to prove direct ties to the Bush campaign, McCain hates him anyway for it. Besides, if McCain wants to blame anyone for his not being president today, he should take a look in the mirror. I remember seeing Maria Shriver interviewing him right after he lost a primary. Admittedly, she reached him at a raw moment, but he totally lost his temper with her and looked downright insane.

8 posted on 03/11/2004 4:34:43 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: shrinkermd
I distinctly recall McCain and his campaign manager directly attacking the christian coalition during his run for the primary.

He chooses to forget that little fact.

9 posted on 03/11/2004 4:59:50 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: shrinkermd
McCain occasionally slides toward dementia. Mostly it is harmless but his war on the First Amendment is out of control. He should retire or the people of Arizona should retire him. But of course, neither of those will happen.
10 posted on 03/11/2004 8:20:32 PM PST by jwalsh07 (We're bringing it on John but you can't handle the truth!)
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To: shrinkermd
McCain's playing for his few moments in the spotlight again this time around.... Maybe his last. He has bitch slapped the Democrats and they don't seem to realize it. Remember he's President Bush's Leadership Team co-chair in Arizona.

This got started in an article from the New York Post over a week ago by Deborah Orin quoting McCain.....

February 26, 2004 -- THE Democratic dream candidate for vice president on a John Kerry ticket is a Republican - Vietnam War superhero John McCain. The Republican fantasy for Kerry's veep is New York's own Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. But it looks like zero chance. Few pols have more credibility than McCain - no wonder Kerry never misses a chance to cite him. Kerry's four months in Vietnam combat are central to his campaign bio. Imagine if he could add McCain's 51/2 years as a hero POW in the Hanoi Hilton.

But McCain says no way. "Do you think the Democrats would want a pro-life, free-trading fiscal conservative? They'd be smoking something pretty strong, stronger than they usually do," McCain (R-Ariz.) told The Post. "I will not leave the Republican Party."

I don't think McCain is going anywhere....
11 posted on 03/11/2004 8:35:24 PM PST by deport ("These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group I have ever seen. It's scary," Kerry said.)
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To: dwills
I am not playing games. She "is" colored, she "is" legally their child, and she "is not" conceived by McCain's wife. If you recall, the big brouhaha in South Carolina was that Bush's team was bringing these facts to the attention of voters. And they are FACTS -- it only goes to prove that our President is not a liar.
12 posted on 03/12/2004 5:45:12 AM PST by jojodamofo
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To: BushisTheMan
You said it all in your post. Amazing that McCain finds Kerry to be his buddy, when Kerry is the one who slandered US servicemen in Vietnam, was a propaganda piece for the VietCong and yet McCain is in a rage with Bush because he couldn't win the primary and still holds hard feelings? McCain is really pathetic. And he's on record in saying that Kerry's activities were specifically used by their captors in Vietnam as propaganda.
13 posted on 03/12/2004 7:59:08 AM PST by bushfamfan
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To: bushfamfan
And Kerry and McCain do not own Vietnam. They are not Vietnam. For McCain to embrace Kerry is tainting himself.
14 posted on 03/12/2004 8:00:45 AM PST by bushfamfan
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To: jojodamofo
i see, you're proud to convey facts that are only relevant if racists take them out of context?

i'd prefer to think that bush is simply not responsible for that dirty trick, rather than justify it
15 posted on 03/12/2004 10:55:56 AM PST by dwills
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To: dwills
>>>> i'd prefer to think that bush is simply not responsible for that dirty trick, rather than justify it

I may be unjustifiably proud, but if you don't think this reeks of Rove, you are simply in denial. I think this is when politics is at its best. I wish that Kerry's girl Polier had decided to go on vacation the first week in November, rather than in February.

True, in a purely personal sense Bush probably had nothing to do with it. He would be nuts to ... these days even Rove doesn't need to get involved. As influential as Limbaugh is, the explosion of Hannity's radio show is a wonderful thing. He hardly even talks about Bush anymore, just Kerry. We really don't even need to do any negative campaigning or mudslingiing as a party any more -- and we can indignantly nail their asses when they do it.

Call me ruthless, but it's all for the greater good, and a hell of a good time.

16 posted on 03/12/2004 12:18:23 PM PST by jojodamofo
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