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Comparing Obesity to Homosexuality - Is Being Fat a Choice, or are Fat People "Born That Way"?
March 13, 2004 | ComtedeMaistre

Posted on 03/12/2004 4:03:07 PM PST by ComtedeMaistre

The Secretary of Health and Human Services, Tommy Thompson, recently launched a campaign to reduce the 400,000 deaths caused in America each year by obesity.

There is a civil rights group that fights for the rights of obese people, called the National Association for Fat Acceptance (NAAFA), which was founded in 1969. It is a group that opposes work like that which Secretary Thompson is trying to do. It works towards reducing prejudice against fat people, by claiming that they were "born that way", that that they cannot help themselves. It is an organization that campaigns against corporations such as those airlines which charge very obese people for 2 seats, instead of one.

It is a known fact that, obesity is partly genetic. Studies among the group of Native Americans known as the Pima Indians, has shown that 90 percent of the tribe is obese. Research has shown that, on average, they are more likely to possess a genetic marker commonly known as the "fat gene", at a higher rate than the rest of the population. This is an evolutionary genetic adaptation, which results from the fact that the tribe suffered severe famines in the past, which resulted in the survival of only those tribe members who could accumulate as much fat as possible, within the shortest time possible, in the harsh environment. But with today's consumption habits, the genetic trait that is helpful to surviving famine, leads to obesity.

The scientific evidence for a "fat gene", is much stronger than the evidence for a "gay gene". We know that "fat genes" are hereditary and are found in families (along with family histories of heart disease).

Does this mean that people who are obese are "born that way", and that there is absolutely nothing they can do about it?

I am not writing this as a disinterested person. I struggled with my weight for years, stabilizing at 288 pounds for decades. I rationalized my weight to the fact that obesity ran in my family. But 9 years ago, after a health scare, I decided to get serious, and cut down to a trim 171 pounds, after 6 months of a hellish struggle. I have to work out very vigorously, every day, to maintain my 171 pounds. I have had to give up foods I have loved for years, especially Southern cooking. And I eat plenty of raw vegetables (yuck - I would still rather have a steak).

Many of my friends are able to maintain a trim weight without working out, and are able to indulge in pizza, burgers, ice cream, etc. But I can never get away with that. It isn't fair that I have to work out vigorously daily, and eat lean and unappetizing foods, just to maintain the same weight as buddies of mine who do nothing more than sit infront of the TV with the remote in one hand, a beer in the other, and a large bag of peanuts on the lap, yet never gain weight.

Does what we know about weight gain apply to homosexuals? We can certainly accept that, homosexuality may be part genetic, just like obesity. And just as it is harder for genetically-inclined homosexuals to live a straight life, that does not mean that it is impossible.


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KEYWORDS: choice; fat; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; naafa; obesity; personal; responsibility; thompson
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This is the NAAFA website: http://www.naafa.org/

The message they sell to overweight people, is one of fatalism. They tell obese people that they are born that way, and there is absolutely nothing they can do to change their circumstances. That message is wrong, when given to obese people, and equally wrong, when given to gays.

1 posted on 03/12/2004 4:03:08 PM PST by ComtedeMaistre
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To: ComtedeMaistre
"I have to work out very vigorously, every day, to maintain my 171 pounds. I have had to give up foods I have loved for years, especially Southern cooking. And I eat plenty of raw vegetables (yuck - I would still rather have a steak)."

I've worked 3-5 days a week for years. Sometimes i'll go 4-6 months eating an extremely regulated diet, combined with treadmill and weights to cut up or build up. Also, been able to maintain this policy through law school [at least so far].

Course i'd rather sit around eat potato chips, and McDonalds, but it's about what you *want* and are willing to *do* with life.

I'm sick and tired of the it's not fair, everything should be handed to me attitude... if you want it you have to work hard..
2 posted on 03/12/2004 4:13:46 PM PST by freedom44
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To: ComtedeMaistre
I've worked 3-5 days a week for years

Woops meant worked out.
3 posted on 03/12/2004 4:14:15 PM PST by freedom44
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To: ComtedeMaistre

4 posted on 03/12/2004 4:14:19 PM PST by zarf (..where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment?)
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To: ComtedeMaistre
both lifestyle choices
5 posted on 03/12/2004 4:14:51 PM PST by petercooper (Florida 2000: Bush 2,912,790 - Gore 2,912,253)
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To: ComtedeMaistre
my wife said she has the right to marry a fat person.
6 posted on 03/12/2004 4:15:23 PM PST by breakem
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To: ComtedeMaistre
In some cases it is probably a birth defect. I think it would be unwise for governments to try to normailise obesity however since once they do that we will get more of it.
7 posted on 03/12/2004 4:15:56 PM PST by jwalsh07 (We're bringing it on John but you can't handle the truth!)
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To: ComtedeMaistre
Today's pathetic mindset is that if something is difficult, or if it's harder for YOU to do it than it is for OTHERS to do it, then you are under no obligation or expectation to do it.

Generally speaking, the fat people in society are sedentary and overeat. You may have some fat gene that makes it harder for you to lose, but I refuse to believe that you can't lose.

8 posted on 03/12/2004 4:21:29 PM PST by Lizavetta (Savage is right - extreme liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: ComtedeMaistre
Remember when the lefties said being overweight was a disability? Then Al Franken pointed out that Rush Limbaugh was 'A Big FAT Idiot' and fat was no longer cool. Now it is not something that can't be helped, but it IS Ronald McDonald's fault. Like so many things, weight has gotten so intertwined with politics that what causes it depends on who you voted for last election-the left will always find a corporate deviant behind every ill of society. I've found that when I eat less I get thinner, but that's probably because I'm a Republican. Who knows?
9 posted on 03/12/2004 4:26:03 PM PST by Spok
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To: ComtedeMaistre
These people miss the entire point. I'm a recovering alcoholic. Like alcoholism, arguments can be made for both the nature and nurture causes of homosexuality. The causality is irrelevant and really doesn't matter.

What does matter is that there are psychological and physiological components of alchoholism that result in socially unacceptable and morally abberant behavior. Some alcoholics make an effort to normalize their lives and refrain from the behavior, recognizing the damage we cause, to our own lives and to those around us. I suppose some homosexuals do to, but they are certainly not the ones applying for marriage licenses...

If, supposing, I have a genetic predisposition to drink, does that mean I can rely on the, "I couldn't help it, it's just the way I am," excuse bandied about by homo activists? Even if the predisposition to some behaviors may be inborn, the consummation (no pun intended) of that predisposition need not be accepted or excused by society at large, and in many cases, IMHO should be eschewed and stigmatized.

10 posted on 03/12/2004 4:29:17 PM PST by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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Barney Frank is fat and...........
11 posted on 03/12/2004 4:37:57 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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And he has jeans. I assume.
12 posted on 03/12/2004 4:41:18 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
He can't control both of his appetites, can he?
13 posted on 03/12/2004 4:42:22 PM PST by pinochet
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To: freedom44
... if you want it you have to work hard..

You have figured out the secret of life: Nothing worth having is easy.

14 posted on 03/12/2004 4:48:46 PM PST by templar
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To: ComtedeMaistre
It's not a choice....

It's a pizza.
15 posted on 03/12/2004 5:35:58 PM PST by socal_parrot (It's not an argument, it's a contradiction!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Even if the predisposition to some behaviors may be inborn, the consummation (no pun intended) of that predisposition need not be accepted or excused by society at large, and in many cases, IMHO should be eschewed and stigmatized.

Good point, but I think if you talk to fat people you'll find what they really object to are the assumptions and commentary of thin (especially "skinny-fat") people.

Being fat is not immoral, and subjectively determined anyway.

I work with men everyday who sport guts like beachballs, yet consistently perform heavy manual labor for hours on end... and that in hundred degree heat at 100+ percent humidity. Good luck stigmatizing them!

Funny story. A longtime coworker of mine was pal-ing around with me once (he has a very fit physique) and started playfully boxing at my stomach. He said "Woahhs, I see a belly like that and I just can't help myself." Without missing a beat, I playfully flicked out my 5 inch spyderco pocket knife (with the serrated edge) and said "yes you can."

16 posted on 03/12/2004 5:48:07 PM PST by Woahhs
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To: Lizavetta
"You may have some fat gene that makes it harder for you to lose, but I refuse to believe that you can't lose."

The surgical procedures used to shrink the stomach put a lie to the idea that one "can't". One will lose weight regardless of genes.

I know people who are overweight, and struggle with it, but it can be done.

I enjoy booze too much, so I don't drink.

Is it genetic or personality? A disease or a character flaw?

I don't know, and don't care!

It's hard sometimes, but that's life.

Making excuses for ones excesses is NOT productive.

17 posted on 03/12/2004 6:08:53 PM PST by EEDUDE (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: freedom44
Are FReepers "born that way"? :-)
18 posted on 03/12/2004 6:36:13 PM PST by TaxRelief (March 20. Fayetteville. FReep 'til you drop.)
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To: ComtedeMaistre
We can certainly accept that, homosexuality may be part genetic, just like obesity. And just as it is harder for genetically-inclined homosexuals to live a straight life, that does not mean that it is impossible.

I think this is probably a good analogy. There may or may not be a "gay gene" but some people are certainly inclined that way. I find it beyond belief that anyone could think gays "choose" to be that way.

So, if it's in their nature to be gay, why all the societal pressure for them to act in a way that's contrary to their nature, basically to fake being straight? It seems a bit pointless.

You may have Bible-based moral objections to homosexuality. That's fine. Don't be a homosexual. That's your obligation to God and your religion. But we have no authority to impose our morals on gays who have no religious moral objection to being gay, or who have found a way to reconcile their homosexuality with their religion.

Sure, you may say you have a right to object because you have to see them in public. Well, get real. There are all kinds of things we might object to that we're nonetheless subjected to. If we weren't, this wouldn't be a free country.

Personally, I'll put up with being subjected to some things I find objectionable for the benefit of living in a free country.

19 posted on 03/13/2004 6:39:50 AM PST by tdadams (Whatever the problem, the government's a bigger one - Mark Steyn)
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To: ComtedeMaistre
I agree that some people may have higher metabolisms, however, it is possible to eat less and lose.

I don't see any overweight people in the famine communities of Africa. It's what you eat.

20 posted on 03/13/2004 6:44:54 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Also goes partly violently)
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