The Bible and homosexuality [Kerry thinks the bible is for homosexuality]

World Net Daily ^ | March 11, 2004 | Joseph Farah

[Fun Bob]

The Bible and homosexuality Posted: March 11, 2004

Sen. John Kerry suggested to an audience in Mississippi recently that the Bible is ambiguous on the topic of homosexuality.

"Well, I know the deep beliefs, I respect, I'm a Christian, I've read the Bible, and I know you can find the clauses that go both ways," he said. "I'm not here to argue that with you."

Well, I'm here to argue with Kerry. The Bible is clear on homosexuality – Old Testament and New Testament: Homosexuality is an abomination.

Kerry may not believe it. You may not believe it. But the Bible states it clearly and unambiguously. And, despite what Kerry says, there are no "clauses" that suggest anything else.

Here's a brief Bible study for the man who would be president.

It begins in Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

That seems pretty clear to me. Maybe Kerry has another interpretation. The chapter goes on to state that people who commit these acts, and others God considers abominations, causes the land itself to be defiled.

Then, in the New Testament, Paul writes in Romans 1:22-27:

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

I'm still waiting for any Bible student to show me even one verse that suggests a more "tolerant" view of homosexuality.

Generally speaking, the best they can do is to suggest Jesus Himself never spoke out against homosexuality.

There are two problems with that statement:

First, Christians believe Jesus came not to overturn the law but to fulfill it. They believe He is the Word – its living fulfillment. They believe He is eternal and part of the Godhead that created the Heavens, the Earth and Man. Therefore, Jesus never contradicted any of the law. He quoted from it. He taught from it. He explained it. He affirmed it.

Second, Jesus did speak out, as recorded in Matthew 19:4-6:

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Here Jesus had an opportunity to explain any middle ground in this issue of men and women. As if to underscore the point, he did later provide something of an exemption for eunuchs – men who do not have testicles. But he doesn't suggest God made homosexuals, lesbians, transgendereds, transvestites or bisexuals.

Kerry likes to be on both sides of all the issues. But that's difficult when it comes to God's unambiguous Word on relations between men and women. Maybe Kerry can let the American people in on which "clauses" he's found in the Bible that would justify homosexuality as anything other than an abomination.

You can choose to believe the Bible. You can choose to disbelieve it. But you cannot say it says something it does not say.

[Fun Bob]

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[thoughtomator]

You can choose to believe the Bible. You can choose to disbelieve it. But you cannot say it says something it does not say.

They do this with the Constitution all the time ("separation of church and state", anyone?). Doing it with the Bible is simply the logical extension thereof.

[OldFriend]

Kerry's bible and Clinton's dictionary.....perfect together!

[AgThorn]

"...I've read the Bible, and I know you can find the clauses that go both ways,"

the first part of that sentence was canceled out by the second part ..

[per loin]

Has Kerry retired from the campaign? I've not seen his face since his Muslim friends blew up the trains in Spain.

[Dutch Boy]

Was it the blowing up of the train or the arrest of the spy who work for all those democrats? Kerry seems to be edging toward a meltdown soon. I hope there are cameras present.

[Tacis]

It may be that Kerry has recently met an attrcative fairy with 800 million dollars and is considering discarding the Widow Heinz for an arrangement with the person identified only as "Bruce."

[binger]

[pnz1]

I thought that was part of the reason Sodom and Gomorrah (forgive spelling) were destroyed?

[Tanstaafl]

LOL - That's just too funny... and true.

[Kowdawg]

It must be very difficult for Mr. Kerry to go through life with such a broken compass.

[NormsRevenge]

"the clauses that go both ways"

Huh? Kerry is nothing more than a snake oil salesman. He has a cure for what ails everyone, it seems.

[lilylangtree]

Kerry is a lying piece of crapola. He says he read the Bible and still calls it ambiguous. He couldn't have read it. Anyone can read a book and not comprehend the meaning. Anyone can say they're a Christian and still not be one. That's between him and God. However, if one reads the Bible (and I doubt Ketchup man has), the many references to homosexuality being an abomination in the eyes of God are unmistakable, which leads me to believe that he's never really read the Bible.

[Cicero]

The Bible seems clear enough. It's also clear how it has been traditionally read and understood for 2,000 years.

Oddly enough, this kind of thing results in part from the difficulty of taking "sola scriptura" too literally. It means that every morning you wake up free to interpret the written text from scratch, without according any authority to thousands of years of learned interpretation and disputes over every verse.

[hgro]

Who believes that John Kerry ever read the bible?

[ontos-on]

This is interesting a possibly a clue to Kerry's essential core. There is a desire not to be determined by any authority other than his own whim. This is the definition of arrogance: there is no higher authority. Thus the war was wrong, the troops were vicious criminals, the concerns about communists are shortsighted, the terrorists should only be treated as criminals not warriors against us, the constitution does not mean what it says, the bible does nto mean what it says. Those he disagrees with Kerry attacks their motives and character.

This is because Kerry has to escpae from anything authoritative which is cited in support of the position Kerry opposes. His method for dealing with authority is to deny that its message is clear and unambiguous. This is supposed to be nuanced intelligence. What it is precisley is sophmoric, the wise fool which St Paul describes.

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[ImpBill]

"You can choose to believe the Bible. You can choose to disbelieve it. But you cannot say it says something it does not say."

Deviates and Democrats can and do.

Oppps, bit of journalistic license there, as aren't they one and the same?

[Jeff Chandler]

>>"...you can find the clauses that go both ways,"<<

Sometimes main, sometimes subordinate?

[claudiustg]

---I thought that was part of the reason Sodom and Gomorrah (forgive spelling) were destroyed?---

There was an article recently claiming that Sodom and Gomorra were about abuse of power, not sexuality. This is one of the reasons I have started rejecting any claims the gays make out of hand. No benefit of the doubt for these folks.