What To Say About WMD

The Intellectual Conservative ^ | 13 February 2004 | Brian S. Wise

[Lando Lincoln]

Lando

[Diogenesis]

========= Chemical Warhead found in Kirkuk =============

Chemical warhead found at an Iraqi air base, marked with a green band,
the symbol for chemical weaponry. Trace amounts of a nerve agent were found
at two spots along the ~meter-long warhead. These amounts are consistent with
leakage from the chemically armed weapon. A 13-foot missile was found next to it.

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========= Halabja =========

Dead children, previously playing in Halabja
Victims of Saddams' WMD in March 1988.

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=========== Documents linking Atta, Saddam, Nidal, bin Ladin ===========

Handwritten letter dated Feb. 19, 1998 linking bin Laden and Saddam Hussein
discussing arrival of a secret envoy sent by bin Laden to Iraq.
The signature beneath the letter is a codename, "MDA" - the Mukhabarat.

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=========== French missiles FIRST given to Iraq to be USED Against US and Coalition Heroes =========

French missiles found by the Poles, and to protect France, blown up.

Froggies said they did not say "2003". LOL. Decide for yourself.

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Iraqi missiles given to, and now located in, Syria:

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========= RUSSIAN MISSILES AND DIRTY BOMBS FOUND IN IRAQ =========

Russian-made R-60, NATO AA-8 Aphid, air-to-air missiles were found..
The Russian-made missiles are >6 feet long. Each carries 3.5 pounds of uranium.
wrapped around a high explosive warhead (13.2-pound) making a "dirty bomb".

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[umgud]

I wasn't quick to jump on the war bandwagon with Bush, but I did eventually. I looked at all his reasons and pecieved benefits. Regardless my forethoughts, hindsight tells me the biggest benefit (IMHO) is the message we sent to surrounding terror supporting regimes. You can bet $ and support aren't flowing to terrorists as freely as before we took out the Taliban and Hussein. Qadaffi sure got the message. This has a net effect of making us safer.

[Prodigal Son]

Haven't heard too much about the WMD lately from the media.

[RandallFlagg]

Perhaps the media is catching on to part of my theory that we already FOUND the WMDs and are using them as a lure to draw more terrorists into Iraq, and kill them.

[billbears]

Haven't heard too much about the WMD lately from the media administration.

Seems if it was such an open and shut case as many still blindly believe around here we would have heard more about it from the administration. Unfortunately they're too busy backpedaling and blaming 'faulty intelligence' to continue to make a case for phantom WMDs

[JohnEBoy]

Last time I checked, we have WMD's from Libya being disposed. Mustard gas and others. These are a DIRECT result of the war in Iraq.

[JohnEBoy]

Last time I checked, we have WMD's from Libya being disposed. Mustard gas and others. These are a DIRECT result of the war in Iraq.

[KingofQue]

Open and shut. Read fool. They admitted to having them. What else do you need?

[TommyDale]

Two words: "October Surprise".

[Right_Mom]

What was it like rding on the short bus as a child?

[TheDon]

It was rather plain that we invaded Iraq because we didn't know whether they had WMD or WMD programs. We knew they had them, but it was unclear what had become of them since.

The Demorats, and their media lapdogs, are the only ones who claim we invaded because we knew they WMDs, and the only ones who claim we invaded due to an imminent threat. A simple reading of the President's speeches prior to the invasion, demonstrate the Demorats lies.

[Lando Lincoln]

Thanks diogenesis......you do such important work compiling these photos. I am very grateful.

Lando

[billbears]

What is it like not having a case and having to resort to insults as an argument. Interesting that the administration should not jump on these 'facts' as so presented around here if the case is open and shut. Wonder why they don't do that if these 'facts' are so believable?

[KingofQue]

Not having a case? Looks like a confession. Iraq said they had so many tons of this and so many tons of that. That is called OPEN & SHUT. If a person admits he did something in a court of law is it admissible? The only question is where is it?

[billbears]

Looks like a confession. Iraq said they had so many tons of this and so many tons of that.

What looks like a confession? A crackpot dictator who was in control? From the reports coming out of Iraq after the war, it's quite evident the place was devolving into a frontier land by the hour. Hussein's sons were too busy involved with their thing, Saddam had probably no idea what he did or did not have. And seemingly they can't find anyone that actually worked on these WMDs since 1995. What happened in 1995 I wonder?

Hussein Kamal interview with UNSCOM/IAEA

Prof. Zifferero – those four processes related to production of material for a nuclear device. So far we only talked about enriching uranium but they need other studies, eg. on implosion. This was done at Al Atheer. Is it continuing somewhere else?

General Hussein Kamal – yes, but not now, before the Gulf War. First they studied 12 ton, then 9 ton and then 5 ton. These are weights of a device which they would make suitable for delivery. These were only studies. The smaller was the better so that the aircraft could deliver them. The smaller was also considered to be more effective.

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Smidovich – were weapons and agents destroyed?

General Hussein Kamal – nothing remained.

Smidovich – was it before or after inspections started?

General Hussein Kamal – after visits of inspection teams. You have important role in Iraq with this. You should not underestimate yourself. You are very effective in Iraq. There was an engine for long range missiles. I didn’t want to get involved. It was a lost battle and they chose to stop from using this.

Smidovich – we could not find any traces of destruction.

General Hussein Kamal – yes, it was done before you came in. The place where they buried them was found by you.

Smidovich – Is this the place north of Baghdad where they were buried?

General Hussein Kamal – It was in a month you came in. Destruction of warheads started but I could not remember details.

Now I realize this doesn't fit into the mythos you warhawks have built up but it fits a lot better than mysterious vans to Syria, hidden garages underground, and any other excuse the Democrats or Republicans want to try to sell us next. Even the President's search leader, David Kay, is backing off his original assessment. But keep it up. Nobody's listening. Not the media or the administration. I did see ol' Wolfie still trying to sell it tonight on H&C but apparently (thank God) it appears cooler heads are starting to prevail in this administration and the day of the neocons may soon be over

[KingofQue]

Now think a bit. Iraq admits to the UN that it had Sarin gas. Iraq admits it had VX nerve agent. Iraq admits it has anthrax. These are WMD. These agents are what they ADMITTED to having in the report to the UN in, I believe, 2001. Why would they admit they had these weapons if thay didn't have them? Just because we can't find them doesn't mean he didn't have them. The weapons inspectors knew he had the capability to make them, he used them on the Iranians and the Kurds. He admitted to having them to the UN. What am I missing here? Sorry, HE HAD THEM.

[jwalsh07]

Keep posting it. And send a copy to Mel Gibson.

[billbears]

Now think a bit. Iraq admits to the UN that it had Sarin gas. Iraq admits it had VX nerve agent. Iraq admits it has anthrax. These are WMD. These agents are what they ADMITTED to having in the report to the UN in, I believe, 2001. Why would they admit they had these weapons if thay didn't have them?

Okay, now you think a bit. This is a government that according to our own intelligence, post-war, was falling apart years before our troops invaded. Hussein's sons were too busy throwing parties and torturing civilians. Think modern day Caligula. They found Hussein in a ditch, with notes to his troops telling them not to co-operate with Al Qaeda, but we'll not go with the obvious reason for that. I seriously doubt anyone in that government knew if anything was going on or not. Now we're at a year later and even the President's hand picked search leader comes back and says he doubts there was any production of WMDs in the 1990s.

I'm not doubting the report said WMDs existed. I'm not even doubting where the report came from. But what I am doubting is that the government probably didn't even know. Where are the scientists? Where are the materials? The massive amounts of WMDs? To make your story plausible, we first have to believe a man, an Iraqi, whose organization is still receiving funds from our government, all the while having been discredited by the CIA and other intelligence organizations even before the war. Then we would have to accept that all these WMDs, with the scientists, their families, and anyone even closely related to this production were whisked away to Syria, Iran, or wherever the neocons want to take us next. Of course with no trace whatsoever, no intelligence reports, no one seeing them move, no spy cameras picking them up, etc.

The most plausible answer to this is that they just weren't there as many believed. Either that or believe a third world nation, with no help from anyone, was able to fool the most advanced military, and advanced search tactics in the world. Were those that believed wrong to do so? No. But the men that influenced leaders who made the final decision on the path to war should be held accountable for their actions